Billzgobowlin Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 So I think we need a QB coach, LB coach and D line coach. Do you guys have some ideas of good options i side our outside the team currently? On the staff I think Holcomb could be a LB coach and Lubick could be a QB coach for low hanging fruit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I’d talk to Barkley about QB coach. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I am really wanting them to get the best DL coach possible. I don't know who it is, just go get them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Could be more if Eric Washington brings over anybody with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Todd Wash is the best DLine coach on the market that I can see but Marcus West is a credible internal candidate for promotion too. For QB coach Frank Reich has been mentioned. I think his route back to a top job is a long one but feels a considerable demotion. Sean Ryan has been mentioned and makes sense too. Shane Bowen is one I'd interview at Linebackers coach. Been the DC in Tennessee the past couple of years, but is a linebacker coach by trade. 2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Position coaches really mean little to me. It's the Coordinators and McDermott that determine the Offensive, Defensive, and Special Teams strategies. A position coach basically just runs guys through individual position drills, gets a little film time, and builds players confidence through rah-rah. I don't think a position coach has a massive impact on player performance, unless they're literally not doing the job. If you have guys consistently misplaying their technique that is a position coach issue. So it can have an inlfuence. 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cincinnati Kid Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Position coaches are really important pieces. Not having a good position coach is like not giving a damn about who the are lieutenants in a battle and their leadership skills. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: If you have guys consistently misplaying their technique that is a position coach issue. So it can have an inlfuence. Not only that, but it’s my understanding that the players spend more time around their position coach than anybody on the coaching staff. Also, position coaches are where coordinators and head coaches come from, so getting as many good football minds in the building is incredibly important for the long term prospects of the organization. 1 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 What’s Rob Ryan doing these days? 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Just now, Bangarang said: What’s Rob Ryan doing these days? Eating. 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 For LB coach there's maybe Luke Kuechly he became a scout for Carolina for a year and also helped out at training camp for the Bills in 2021, not sure how realistic an option that is. Also I guess Sr. could always come out of retirement to help out under his son though maybe that'd be weird? 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Eating. Feels like a safe bet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Instead of Belichick taking the year off, he should coach our linebackers. Bring in Pete Carroll to coach our DB’s. Get the OJ Dream Team coaching staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 45 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Position coaches really mean little to me. It's the Coordinators and McDermott that determine the Offensive, Defensive, and Special Teams strategies. A position coach basically just runs guys through individual position drills, gets a little film time, and builds players confidence through rah-rah. I don't think a position coach has a massive impact on player performance, unless they're literally not doing the job. Well both our coordinators came from a position on our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 59 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Position coaches really mean little to me. It's the Coordinators and McDermott that determine the Offensive, Defensive, and Special Teams strategies. A position coach basically just runs guys through individual position drills, gets a little film time, and builds players confidence through rah-rah. I don't think a position coach has a massive impact on player performance, unless they're literally not doing the job. I don't think you truly understand the in's and out's of coaching if this is the case: McDermott brings the coaches in: tells each position coach what he expects and their leverage, alignment, etc. on given plays/ concepts. It's then on them to go implement and teach it. Sure McDermott installs game plans and does film, etc but a LOT is on the position coaches. This might be one of the worst takes i've ever seen. This isn't high school football in WNY with 3 coaches on staff. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 2 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I don't think you truly understand the in's and out's of coaching if this is the case: McDermott brings the coaches in: tells each position coach what he expects and their leverage, alignment, etc. on given plays/ concepts. It's then on them to go implement and teach it. Sure McDermott installs game plans and does film, etc but a LOT is on the position coaches. This might be one of the worst takes i've ever seen. This isn't high school football in WNY with 3 coaches on staff. If position coaches were so important, the 2013 Washington Redskins should have won the superbowl 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I know he interviewed for the DC job, but Mike Caldwell has a lot of LB coach experience. Wouldn't be shocked if he's here in that role of something better doesn't come along. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I’d talk to Barkley about QB coach. It feels like we've been obsessed with putting in an old backup QB we like as QB Coach ever since Davis Webb was on the team. But it's not the same thing, there was talk around Webb the made it sound like he might be someone who'd want to transition to that kind of job someday and be good at it. I've never heard any of that about Barkley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FireChans said: If position coaches were so important, the 2013 Washington Redskins should have won the superbowl 1/10 take. Those guys were in their 20's at that time. Most of them are now head coaches and/or OC/DC's. So is your stance that position coaches aren't important and we can do without them? Just need OC, DC, STC? Or do you just not understand how the coaching hierarchy works on a day to day basis? I can help out if need be. Edited February 1 by warrior9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Eating. Oooh, burn, total mic drop 🎤 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, FireChans said: Instead of Belichick taking the year off, he should coach our linebackers. Bring in Pete Carroll to coach our DB’s. Get the OJ Dream Team coaching staff. Carroll coaching Bills DBs? Reliving 1984? 56 minutes ago, Warcodered said: It feels like we've been obsessed with putting in an old backup QB we like as QB Coach ever since Davis Webb was on the team. But it's not the same thing, there was talk around Webb the made it sound like he might be someone who'd want to transition to that kind of job someday and be good at it. I've never heard any of that about Barkley. Webb was coaching QBs in Denver last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I've always wondered why teams don't get someone like AJ Klein or Matt Barkley to be assistant positional coaches. In a pinch put them into the PS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Carroll coaching Bills DBs? Reliving 1984? Webb was coaching QBs in Denver last season. Yeah it surprised no one that he became a QB coach, felt like it sucked for us at the time but he wanted to keep playing longer so he went to the Giants where he had a shot to be an actual backup where as here he might have had a shot to become the QB coach. But with the Giants he did actually get to start the last game of the season when they rested their starters with seeding locked up and threw the only TD of his career, so probably worth it to him. Still haven't seen anything mention on here or anywhere about Matt Barkley having aspirations or aptitude to be a QB coach besides the obvious being a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffAlone Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Eating. Feet,no doubt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I’d talk to Barkley about QB coach. I'd rather trade for Davis Webb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I think DJ Mangas was brought in to help be QB coach with Brady taking over OC... qouldnt be surprised to see him officially be offered that position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Is the special teams coach still employed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 From my limited perspective I've got questions about the current WR coach. There was drop-off after Chad Hall's departure. Gabe Davis was already displaying issues with the option routes/post-snap reads Daboll's complicated E-P offense relies upon from its WRs/targets, and those issues increased in 2024 along with mucho dropsies and bunched-up spacings downfield, permeating the entire WR room (including Diggs). Without looking it up, I don't even know who our WR coach is. And that's a rare gap for me. But I do know his position group was underwhelming overall in 2024. (Hoping Brady uses his first offseason as OC to strip away much of the bulk and complexity in the variable E-P route concepts he inherited, choosing instead to install them selectively. This offense NEEDS to be more accessible to new WRs ASAP. The Bills in 2024 will have to rely upon drafted and signed WRs to get up to speed more rapidly than in years past if they hope to improve.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Davis Webb is still listed as QB coach for the Broncos under Sean Payton. My guess is that it is in his long term best interest to stay with Payton, who is considered an offensive genius, rather than make a lateral move to the Bills, even though he's probably friends with Josh Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 8 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Davis Webb is still listed as QB coach for the Broncos under Sean Payton. My guess is that it is in his long term best interest to stay with Payton, who is considered an offensive genius, rather than make a lateral move to the Bills, even though he's probably friends with Josh Allen. I'd go the other way, actually. I would say it's in his short term best interest to learn a couple years from Payton. But long term his next logical step would be as an OC. He would likely only be OC in name under Payton. And it's looking likely that the Broncos will be looking for some bridge QB like Jimmy G while they transition from Wilson to someone else. Not a very stable spot. However, here in Buffalo the last 2 OC openings were filled by the QB Coach. It's a pipeline to OC at this point. He's been in the QB room with Allen before and already has a relationship there. More than likely Joe Brady is our OC next year and MAYBE the year after...then it's on to a HC opportunity if successful and the unemployment line if not. Edited February 1 by BuffaloBillyG 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 12 hours ago, Bangarang said: What’s Rob Ryan doing these days? Tooth whitener for his brother Wrecks. 🤨 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 11 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I'd go the other way, actually. I would say it's in his short term best interest to learn a couple years from Payton. But long term his next logical step would be as an OC. He would likely only be OC in name under Payton. And it's looking likely that the Broncos will be looking for some bridge QB like Jimmy G while they transition from Wilson to someone else. Not a very stable spot. However, here in Buffalo the last 2 OC openings were filled by the QB Coach. It's a pipeline to OC at this point. He's been in the QB room with Allen before and already has a relationship there. More than likely Joe Brady is our OC next year and MAYBE the year after...then it's on to a HC opportunity if successful and the unemployment line if not. I think Webb and Brady would be a good match. Webb has learned under Daboll and Payton. Brady learned from Payton as well and we still used some of Dabolls concepts under Dorsey. Webb knows Josh. Idk if he would take a lateral move but I agree. The Bills would prob be the best choice for him to climb the coaching ladder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 9 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: From my limited perspective I've got questions about the current WR coach. There was drop-off after Chad Hall's departure. Gabe Davis was already displaying issues with the option routes/post-snap reads Daboll's complicated E-P offense relies upon from its WRs/targets, and those issues increased in 2024 along with mucho dropsies and bunched-up spacings downfield, permeating the entire WR room (including Diggs). Without looking it up, I don't even know who our WR coach is. And that's a rare gap for me. But I do know his position group was underwhelming overall in 2024. It's Adam Henry who was the OC for Les Miles at LSU back in the day when Beckham and Landry were coming out. He has been in the league a little while now, has bounced around a few spots as WR coach including working with that pair again with the Browns. I think his is a position that should be under scrutiny. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 I wouldn’t hate some kind of Special Teams assistant or something… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 How about this man for LB's 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 15 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I’d talk to Barkley about QB coach. Barkley would like to talk to you about an exciting business opportunity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) On 1/31/2024 at 6:00 PM, Billzgobowlin said: So I think we need a QB coach, LB coach and D line coach. Do you guys have some ideas of good options i side our outside the team currently? On the staff I think Holcomb could be a LB coach and Lubick could be a QB coach for low hanging fruit. Mike Caldwell feels like he could be our new LB coach, QB coach is a tough call Jake Peez or Matt Lombardi have connection to Brady and might willing to move from their current jobs with the Rams/Raiders respectively. DL coach might see Sam Mills III brought in that as worked with Bobby in Carolina. 20 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: Davis Webb is still listed as QB coach for the Broncos under Sean Payton. My guess is that it is in his long term best interest to stay with Payton, who is considered an offensive genius, rather than make a lateral move to the Bills, even though he's probably friends with Josh Allen. They just brought in Peter Carmichael who has been a QB coach in the past with Payton. Edited February 2 by The Jokeman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 42 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: How about this man for LB's keuchly and olsen are aleady coaching. they have peewee coaching locked up for charlotte. metzelaars son even plays for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 3 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: How about this man for LB's Good technique. But, easier said than done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It's Adam Henry who was the OC for Les Miles at LSU back in the day when Beckham and Landry were coming out. He has been in the league a little while now, has bounced around a few spots as WR coach including working with that pair again with the Browns. I think his is a position that should be under scrutiny. Agreed 110% on Henry. WR probably was our worst position group last year. 3 hours ago, boyst said: keuchly and olsen are aleady coaching. they have peewee coaching locked up for charlotte. metzelaars son even plays for them. Son? Wow. I would have figured grandson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 9 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Agreed 110% on Henry. WR probably was our worst position group last year. Son? Wow. I would have figured grandson. I thought Shakir improved greatly especially his play from the slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, BrooklynBills said: I thought Shakir improved greatly especially his play from the slot. Davis Harty and sherfield all sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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