Thrivefourfive Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Imagine he goes off. Then we’d have to point fingers at Allen or MCDERMOTT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Just now, Thrivefourfive said: Imagine he goes off. Then we’d have to point fingers at Allen or MCDERMOTT He can't "go off." He won't call the plays, and his weakness was playcalling. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 34 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Interesting. He won't call plays, it won't be his scheme. He will have a role in game plan but he is there as basically an extra pair of eyes and ears for the Quarterback and Head Coach - as a guy who has played the position in the NFL. When you think about it in that context it makes some sense. And it will give him experience for his next gig. He will be a legitimate OC again and he will make a mark in the league. He has had a lot of experience from working with Newton and bringing him to the next level all the way to the systems he attempted in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Low Positive said: He can't "go off." He won't call the plays, and his weakness was playcalling. So why’d they hire him? He took a job with zero mobility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I wish him well, just nit against Buffalo. Pretty sharp guy, young, and still learning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Thrivefourfive said: So why’d they hire him? He took a job with zero mobility? I have explained why the hiring makes sense. The OC job in Cleveland is to be in sync with your QB having played the position (no coincidence AVP had too) and to be an extra pairs of eyes and ears who sees it the same way. For Dorsey it is a good re-set job and a chance to get exposed to a system he hasn't really run before. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: Imagine he goes off. Then we’d have to point fingers at Allen or MCDERMOTT I know where I’ll be pointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, GunnerBill said: I have explained why the hiring makes sense. The OC job in Cleveland is to be in sync with your QB having played the position (no coincidence AVP had too) and to be an extra pairs of eyes and ears who sees it the same way. For Dorsey it is a good re-set job and a chance to get exposed to a system he hasn't really run before. I read that. That entire explanation sounds like the Browns are giving Dorsey a Make A Wish job, no? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Thrivefourfive said: I read that. That entire explanation sounds like the Browns are giving Dorsey a Make A Wish job, no? No. They want an OC with the skillset he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Brady’s play calling was about as simple as it gets. Probably due to him taking over midseason. It was a very dumbed down offense. Passing concepts were JV level. The biggest plus was his commitment to the run, but IMO that was a negative because we have Josh Allen. In terms of metrics or analytics Dorsey’s offense was better in that regard also. I guess scoring and wins are secondary to you and being multidimensional with your attack especially since the passing game is limited in Dec and Jan because of the elements. Give me one statistic that Dorsey’s offense was better at .Finally, why do you think Dorsey was fired after 11 games with the team at 6 and 5? Losing to juggernauts like the Jets, NE, Denver. A commitment to the run is a negative because we have Josh Allen is your knock on Brady? I suggest you road test some of these ideas with guys in the bar before posting . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 40 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There were no shackles. Shackles might be the wrong word. But the game plan before Dorsey's firing was heavily predicated around avoiding using Josh Allen as a runner. Brady ran him 9.2 times per game in his 9 games..........versus just 4.8 per game in the 10 games under Dorsey this season. The approach was going to have to change whether Dorsey got fired or not. That's been the way for the past few seasons. Brady just comes out looking better for it. We shall see what Brady can do with the same early season limitations on Allen running the football next season. They aren't going to rush Allen 160 times next season just to make Joe look good again. They better get him some WR help. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: No. They want an OC with the skillset he has. Which is? I’m serious.. not trying to be a jerk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 54 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There were no shackles. He is on a multi thread one note crusade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Thrivefourfive said: Which is? I’m serious.. not trying to be a jerk That he actually understands playing QB in the NFL and how what might work on a chalkboard isn't necessarily easy to replicate in the game. He understands the QB's perspective. That is valuable to a playcaller who was a small school walk on DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 52 minutes ago, Billznut said: Lol he won’t call plays. Stefanski does. Unless he’s planning on giving that up. Which is doubtful. Dorsey will be a glorified QB coach in Cleveland, but that is probably where he is best utilized. I think this is a good spot for him. He’s a good X’s and O’s Guy who needs a better feel for calling the game live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: I guess scoring and wins are secondary to you and being multidimensional with your attack especially since the passing game is limited in Dec and Jan because of the elements. Give me one statistic that Dorsey’s offense was better at .Finally, why do you think Dorsey was fired after 11 games with the team at 6 and 5? Losing to juggernauts like the Jets, NE, Denver. A commitment to the run is a negative because we have Josh Allen is your knock on Brady? I suggest you road test some of these ideas with guys in the bar before posting . Wins? Ok. I do think the team woke up with the firing. Similar to a hockey team firing a coach. But reality is the defense was the big improvement after the firing. I would love to be impressed by Brady but I just wasn’t. I think his passing offense will be much improved with a full offseason to put his touches on it. Edited January 29 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: That he actually understands playing QB in the NFL and how what might work on a chalkboard isn't necessarily easy to replicate in the game. He understands the QB's perspective. That is valuable to a playcaller who was a small school walk on DB. Boy, I understand what you’re saying, and this is all sounding like a job you give to an intern. Dorsey was a QB, but if that’s the reason for his hiring, he was an absolutely ***** one in the NFL. Just now, Thrivefourfive said: Boy, I understand what you’re saying, and this is all sounding like a job you give to an intern. Dorsey was a QB, but if that’s the reason for his hiring, he was an absolutely ***** one in the NFL. Let’s say McDermott still calls the plays, and the Bills hire a DC of Dorsey’s stature. I would not be too happy about that. And if the hiring was described to me like it’s charity… Reminds me of Captain Gabe Davis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 42 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Dorsey & Watson....this won't end well. My exact thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I believe he’s a better play caller than Brady. It’ll be interesting to to see how he does. Browns are talented. Dorsey doesn't understand how to put plays together successfully in a drive sense. Its like a DJ who just plays hit song after hit song without understanding how to sequence them properly for best effect. Sure, you might have some good content but how you put it together matters a lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finn Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: McD was head coach when Dorsey had Josh throwing it 99 times a game Throwing but not running the most talented running QB in the league not named Lamar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I believe he’s a better play caller than Brady. It’ll be interesting to to see how he does. Browns are talented. Browns need a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 15 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said: Boy, I understand what you’re saying, and this is all sounding like a job you give to an intern. Dorsey was a QB, but if that’s the reason for his hiring, he was an absolutely ***** one in the NFL. Let’s say McDermott still calls the plays, and the Bills hire a DC of Dorsey’s stature. I would not be too happy about that. And if the hiring was described to me like it’s charity… Reminds me of Captain Gabe Davis. There are a lot of teams where the HC calls the offensive plays and they mostly have someone with the title OC. A bunch of those guys have gone on to be head coaches. Off the top of my head, this list includes: Mike McDaniel Kevin O'Connell Brian Callahan In fact, before he got the Miami job, Mike McDaniel and I had called the same number of plays in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: That’s fine. He’s still a better offensive coordinator than Joe Brady. Even with trying to take the most pessimistic possible outlook idk how you can say they’re not the same level at worst (for Brady) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Even with trying to take the most pessimistic possible outlook idk how you can say they’re not the same level at worst (for Brady) They’re different. I’m nervous about Brady because his passing offense was bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Wins? Ok. I do think the team woke up with the firing. Similar to a hockey team firing a coach. But reality is the defense was the big improvement after the firing. I would love to be impressed by Brady but I just wasn’t. I think his passing offense will be much improved with a full offseason to put his touches on it. The thing you should be impressed with is the fact he had a game plan against KC that worked perfectly. Control the ball, keeping Mahomes off the field against a banged up undermanned defense . We dominated with 39 minutes and 78 plays against their 46. The run game with Josh and Cook ,underneath passes to the sidelines with limited exposure to TOs because our receivers were not getting separation against a great KC secondary. Finally, we were in a position to win but between a bad kicker and Dion getting pushed into Josh preventing him from completing a TD pass in the End Zone to Shakir, it didn’t happen, but it wasn’t because of Brady. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They’re different. I’m nervous about Brady because his passing offense was bad. I thought he coached his butt off at times…that KC game was a gem and the players pooched it with bad execution on a few of those big plays. I don’t think I’ve really seen anyone really stump a spagnuolo led chiefs defense in the playoffs like that Edited January 29 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimBob2232 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I believe he’s a better play caller than Brady. It’ll be interesting to to see how he does. Browns are talented. 3rd and less than 1...shotgun with josh allen....OVER AND OVER....that was my #1 issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Good for him! I hope he does well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 minutes ago, Eastport bills said: The thing you should be impressed with is the fact he had a game plan against KC that worked perfectly. Control the ball, keeping Mahomes off the field against a banged up undermanned defense . We dominated with 39 minutes and 78 plays against their 46. The run game with Josh and Cook ,underneath passes to the sidelines with limited exposure to TOs because our receivers were not getting separation against a great KC secondary. Finally, we were in a position to win but between a bad kicker and Dion getting pushed into Josh preventing him from completing a TD pass in the End Zone to Shakir, it didn’t happen, but it wasn’t because of Brady. They were just missing the pass plays off the run. He did call the deep shot off play action to Diggs but I just felt like there was more to be had in the air. Chiefs were selling out vs the run in the 2nd half and when you have Allen you should be able to take advantage of that. Im not saying Dorsey would’ve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They were just missing the pass plays off the run. He did call the deep shot off play action to Diggs but I just felt like there was more to be had in the air. Chiefs were selling out vs the run in the 2nd half and when you have Allen you should be able to take advantage of that. Im not saying Dorsey would’ve. Diggs had a ball that he should’ve caught that would’ve changed the game. There wasn’t much other than that in the way of downfield separation. The game was there for the taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Good for Dorsey. I'm sorry he has to work with Watson, but at least he got another gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talleywhacker Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4th and goal at the 1 shotgun formation coming soon to a lakefront stadium near you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I am glad for Mr.Dorsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toyo321 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I am surprised the Browns did this frankly.....There were other better options still out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There were no shackles. I'm not so sure about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Bruh 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Assistant coaches just keep getting job after job. College or pro: interchangeable. You know you can always find a job if you’re a nurse, electrician, plumber, assistant football coach. Edited January 29 by BillsfaninSB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 hours ago, Thrivefourfive said: So why’d they hire him? He took a job with zero mobility? Why zero mobility? Just off the top of my head, Mike McDaniel in Miami and Zac Taylor in Cincinnati got HC jobs without having any real play calling duties prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 This makes sense to me. It's kind of what I expected: Dorsey to be hired by an offensive HC. If I was a defensive HC, I wouldn't trust Dorsey to run my offense. But someone like Stefanski will be good for Dorsey - running the offense through Dorsey while teaching and mentoring him. And Dorsey isn't entirely devoid of talent or knowledge. He'll add value to the Browns. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I hate the Browns and they deserve to never win another game, solely based on their Watson hire. Dorsey will go along way in making my hopes come true. He truly sucks 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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