Billsfan1972 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) Know it has been discussed before & with weather conditions Sunday who knows how it will affect kicking decisions, but a real issue. He hasn't attempted a long fg forever. Yes there were two bad misses vs. Philly, yet only attempted 6 since then and made them all, however not one over 40. Surprisingly even I would have been okay with him kicking a 52 yarder vs. Miami on the 4th & 2 Int. There have been other opportunities since Philly and the Bills chose to punt. Todays kicker are expected to kick 55 yarders routinely. BTW he is 4 of 6 over 50 this year. Edited January 12 by Billsfan1972 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 He's injured or mentally broken or a combo of the two. He's been better of late, but I hold my breath everytime he goes out now. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Bass is fine. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 No, they have confidence in 17 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 You thought very hard about this topic…didn’t you? 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 3 minutes ago, teef said: You thought very hard about this topic…didn’t you? Hours and hours of thought.....😜 Yep a throwaway, but thought there were opportunities to try, where they did not. Moderator merge or delete if needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 No 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 31 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Know it has been discussed before & with weather conditions Sunday who knows how it will affect kicking decisions, but a real issue. He hasn't attempted a long fg forever. Yes there were two bad misses vs. Philly, yet only attempted 6 since then and made them all, however not one over 40. Surprisingly even I would have been okay with him kicking a 52 yarder vs. Miami on the 4th & 2 Int. There have been other opportunities since Philly and the Bills chose to punt. Todays kicker are expected to kick 55 yarders routinely. BTW he is 4 of 6 over 50 this year. 55 yards is no gimme. You're making an assumption about just how often it's attempted and under which circumstances. At that point in the game, you weigh your effectiveness on 4th and short to end the game versus possibly giving the ball back with 8 extra yards of field position in a one-score game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 37 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Know it has been discussed before & with weather conditions Sunday who knows how it will affect kicking decisions, but a real issue. He hasn't attempted a long fg forever. Yes there were two bad misses vs. Philly, yet only attempted 6 since then and made them all, however not one over 40. Surprisingly even I would have been okay with him kicking a 52 yarder vs. Miami on the 4th & 2 Int. There have been other opportunities since Philly and the Bills chose to punt. Todays kicker are expected to kick 55 yarders routinely. BTW he is 4 of 6 over 50 this year. I have an issue with coaches kicking long field goals on 4th and short in + territory so I was happy he didn’t kick in the Miami game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) I think they have lost confidence in him to an extent and I have long thought that there is a niggling injury. There was a spell in the middle of the year where he could barely get a touchback off a kick off. I know there are times when the Bills kick short intentionally (although they have backed off that this year with half of their elite gunner tandem gone) but there was a spell in the middle of the season where he managed 11 touchbacks in 28 attempts. It has ticked up since then which might suggest he is getting healthier but I'm convinced there has been something going on physically. Edited January 12 by GunnerBill 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 (edited) 13 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: 55 yards is no gimme. You're making an assumption about just how often it's attempted and under which circumstances. At that point in the game, you weigh your effectiveness on 4th and short to end the game versus possibly giving the ball back with 8 extra yards of field position in a one-score game. It was early and was 7-0. 52 is not long. 2023 kickers were 153/222 or 68.9% Since the Philly game the Bills seem hesitant to use him and trust his leg. Geez wasn't he supposed to be able to hit 60+ when drafted? Edited January 12 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 29 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Hours and hours of thought.....😜 Yep a throwaway, but thought there were opportunities to try, where they did not. Moderator merge or delete if needed. Why, it's a valid question and a valid thread imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 9 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Geez wasn't he supposed to be able to hit 60+ when drafted? He was. His leg definitely hasn't been right this year though. I watched him in warm ups at Tottenham and he was not much better than 50% from further out than 40. There has definitely been something going on with him physically this year. I can't be convinced otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBaumer Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I actually like this topic because I think about it every game. I don’t like it that they don’t feel confident in 55 yard field goals anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It’s not his leg strength. But….he appears to have developed a serious slice in his stroke. I’m no kicking expert but I sure hope he’s working with someone who can help him fix that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I think they have lost confidence in him to an extent and I have long thought that there is a niggling injury. There was a spell in the middle of the year where he could barely get a touchback off a kick off. I know there are times when the Bills kick short intentionally (although they have backed off that this year with half of their elite gunner tandem gone) but there was a spell in the middle of the season where he managed 11 touchbacks in 28 attempts. It has ticked up since then which might suggest he is getting healthier but I'm convinced there has been something going on physically. Niggling is a real word? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Honestly, I think that article Dunne wrote about McDermott caused McD to look at himself and how he manages games. I think he’s taken on a more aggressive approach since all that happened. Or maybe I’m just wishing that’s the case. 🙏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Niggling is a real word? It is. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just now, GunnerBill said: It is. Queen’s language I guess mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: It is. I looked it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I think they have lost confidence in him to an extent and I have long thought that there is a niggling injury. I agree. It has been 11 games since we attempted a field goal over 50 yards. And in that time, we have either went for 4th down or even PUNTED rather than kick a 50 plus harder. That’s different from previous years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He was. His leg definitely hasn't been right this year though. I watched him in warm ups at Tottenham and he was not much better than 50% from further out than 40. There has definitely been something going on with him physically this year. I can't be convinced otherwise. Prior to the Eagles game, it was reported that during pre-game warmups, his 55-yard FG kicks were falling 10 yards short. Something is up with him for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Prior to the Eagles game, it was reported that during pre-game warmups, his 55-yard FG kicks were falling 10 yards short. Something is up with him for sure. Makes you wonder why they haven’t brought in another kicker until Bass is healed. Maybe there simply is no-one available that is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 I think it's an interesting topic because even in his best years, Bass' accuracy has never looked like what I would call "pinpoint." Off the top of my head I can picture at least 3-4 "doinks" off the bar that went through the uprights. Those points count the same as any others, but if they bounce the other way... well, you get the idea. He's always had a big leg, but I think this year more his dicey kicks have just fallen the other way than they have before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 minute ago, Yobogoya! said: He's always had a big leg, but I think this year more his dicey kicks have just fallen the other way than they have before. This year he hasn't had a big leg.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Defense was doing great the entire game and completely shut the Fins out in the 2nd half. Why risk giving them great field position attempting a 53 yard FG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 21 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Prior to the Eagles game, it was reported that during pre-game warmups, his 55-yard FG kicks were falling 10 yards short. Something is up with him for sure. I highly doubt that. If he couldn't make a 46 yard FG they wpuld find someone else. His kickoffs are going through the endzone. His leg is fine. McD rightly trusts Allen more than Bass. We all should. Our only hope is riding #17. McD finally seems to be getting it. And he didn't miss two FGs in Philadelphia. One was blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Niggling is a real word? More commonly used in UK English than American English but yes. Saw it used once when I was an Editor. niggling /ˈniɡ(ə)liNG/ adjective causing slight but persistent annoyance, discomfort, or anxiety. "niggling aches and pains" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I highly doubt that. If he couldn't make a 46 yard FG they wpuld find someone else. His kickoffs are going through the endzone. His leg is fine. McD rightly trusts Allen more than Bass. We all should. Our only hope is riding #17. McD finally seems to be getting it. And he didn't miss two FGs in Philadelphia. One was blocked. They have the last couple of weeks. Before that they were not. As I say... 11 touchbacks in 28 kick offs in that mid period of the season. Completely believable to me that he was struggling with his kicks. As I say I watched him warm up in Tottenham with my own eyes. I think he attempted 5 kicks from beyond 40 and another 4 from beyond 50 and hit on 5/9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 if this brings an end to those lame Bass-o-matic jokes, I'm all in favour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerx Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 You must be fun at parties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Bring back the punt god Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Bass is probably having his worst year as a pro, but we are probably going to need him to make a big kick at some point in the playoffs. But yeah I'll also likely be very nervous when that happens especially if it's to tie or take the lead late in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Defense was doing great the entire game and completely shut the Fins out in the 2nd half. Why risk giving them great field position attempting a 53 yard FG? Because 31 others kick a 52 (not talking about going fot it on 4th down) yard fg in perfect conditions. 11 games without a 50 yard fg is a long time. Edited January 12 by Billsfan1972 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 4 hours ago, Billsfan1972 said: Know it has been discussed before & with weather conditions Sunday who knows how it will affect kicking decisions, but a real issue. He hasn't attempted a long fg forever. Yes there were two bad misses vs. Philly, yet only attempted 6 since then and made them all, however not one over 40. Surprisingly even I would have been okay with him kicking a 52 yarder vs. Miami on the 4th & 2 Int. There have been other opportunities since Philly and the Bills chose to punt. Todays kicker are expected to kick 55 yarders routinely. BTW he is 4 of 6 over 50 this year. even if you trust him, if it’s less than 2-3 yards the right choice for expected points scored is to go for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Makes you wonder why they haven’t brought in another kicker until Bass is healed. Maybe there simply is no-one available that is better. If he is that injured you should at least consider getting someone in house for tryouts - and maybe practice squad. I still suspect it’s primarily data driven choices but admit to not really knowing that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 12 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said: Because 31 others kick a 52 (not talking about going fot it on 4th down) yard fg in perfect conditions. 11 games without a 50 yard fg is a long time. A 50+ yarder is no gimme. Bass is 12/19 on those. I just don’t understand the risk when the defense has been lights out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, NoSaint said: even if you trust him, if it’s less than 2-3 yards the right choice for expected points scored is to go for it I said later I am okay they went for it, just that they haven't had him kick at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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