Dolphins Hard Knocks

[Mynamemike]

 

 

first time watching the in season hard knocks.  Gotta say I’m not impressed with McDaniel and it sure seems he’s lost the locker room.  His little quips and quirky responses are funny when they’re winning but it seems like they’re getting pretty tired of it, although that could just be how they edit the show.  

[RiotAct]

The poor head groundskeeper was sooooo excited to host a playoff game 😭😭😂

[zow2]

You see, hear and feel the Bills dominance from their point of view and it's dark.  Very very dark for Miami vs the Bills in the Allen/McDermott era.

[KDIGGZ]

The magic is wearing off in Miami. They are realizing McDaniel's might not be the genius they thought he was and Tua is a 1 read QB with a noodle arm

[Motorin']

Watched this episode last night. 

 

The players seemed like they couldn't care less while listening to McDaniels meandering pep talks.

 

They kept cutting away to the players and they were either bored to tears or looked confused. The dude offered up such awkward, milk toast word salad all week...

 

But it was an awesome episode watching McDaniels flounder knowing what was coming. Highly recommend. 

 

Also Jerome Baker needs season ending wrist surgery after he tried to tackle Josh Allen on his 3rd and 13 scramble for the 1sr down. 

 

Edited January 10 by Motorin'

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, Mynamemike said:

 

 

first time watching the in season hard knocks.  Gotta say I’m not impressed with McDaniel and it sure seems he’s lost the locker room.  His little quips and quirky responses are funny when they’re winning but it seems like they’re getting pretty tired of it, although that could just be how they edit the show.  

He's like an instructor in a college class who's lost the class but still has to continue lecturing. No one is learning anything and no one is listening to him anymore and all the business majors in the back are just rolling their eyes. Trust me, I've been in his shoes before. 

[RiotAct]

28 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

Watched this episode last night. 

 

The players seemed like they couldn't care less while listening to McDaniels meandering pep talks.

 

They kept cutting away to the players and they were either bored to tears or looked confused. The dude offered up such awkward, milk toast word salad all week...

 

contrast him with the Outside Linebackers coach (forgot his name).  Talk about a fiery guy!

 

I like McDaniel (at least from what I’ve seen).  He’s an odd duck from an NFL head coach perspective, but his style is kind of refreshing to see.

[Motorin']

Just now, RiotAct said:

contrast him with the Outside Linebackers coach (forgot his name).  Talk about a fiery guy!

 

I like McDaniel (at least from what I’ve seen).  He’s an odd duck from an NFL head coach perspective, but his style is kind of refreshing to see.

 

He grew on me after the profile on his life story. Definitely don't hate the guy. And there's times I think he's hilarious... But I don't think he has the leadership qualities an NFL team needs. 

[boyst]

mike mcdaniel isn't real. he's that gangley bug eyed kid from SNL playing the role of an NFL coach while pretending to be a 16 yr old kid in the nieghborhood wanting to be cool

 

the unnecessary cursing, the look and hands in pocket, the weird bug like movements with the hands, he's a joke and i'm glad he's finally getting exposed.

[RiotAct]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

mike mcdaniel isn't real. he's that gangley bug eyed kid from SNL playing the role of an NFL coach while pretending to be a 16 yr old kid in the nieghborhood wanting to be cool

 

the unnecessary cursing, the look and hands in pocket, the weird bug like movements with the hands, he's a joke and i'm glad he's finally getting exposed.

The cursing did stand out to me when I binge-watched the first 5 episodes last night.  Can you imagine McDermott cussing like a sailor in every team meeting and practice? 😂

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, boyst said:

mike mcdaniel isn't real. he's that gangley bug eyed kid from SNL playing the role of an NFL coach while pretending to be a 16 yr old kid in the nieghborhood wanting to be cool

 

the unnecessary cursing, the look and hands in pocket, the weird bug like movements with the hands, he's a joke and i'm glad he's finally getting exposed.

He's not a joke, he's just not a head coach. He should be an OC cooking up plays in the lab. You are correct about the unnecessary F-bombs. It looks like he's forcing them in an attempt to be relatable to players, but at his core McDaniel is the Yalee that he is. Also, putting the Yale football helmet in his office is a strange touch.

[SCBills]

I like McDaniel, but he does comes across as a guy who doesn’t have the respect of his locker room.

 

In fairness, that the first episode I’ve watched and he’s trying to motivate a team that looks like they realize they don’t have it at the moment. 

 

The pro-bowl scene where he’s just hanging out and guys are acting like he’s not even there .. I can’t imagine a moment where McDermott comes across that way. 

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

The cursing did stand out to me when I binge-watched the first 5 episodes last night.  Can you imagine McDermott cussing like a sailor in every team meeting and practice? 😂

 

I mean, he may?  The players used to say Marv Levy "sounded like a football coach" when he talked to the team and on the sideline despite "sounding like a history professor" when he talked to reporters.

 

I honestly don't know how much NFL coaches curse or don't curse when they're with their team and no cameras, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's a lot.

 

It's not uncommon for NFL coaches to have the team equal or better their previous year's record in their first year.

 

Then the question is, what happens in their 2nd year and going forward?  Some have a losing season in a rebuilding year, like McDermott did.  Some have a losing season and don't regroup (Gase).  You got to give it to McDaniel that his team's record improved and he took them to playoffs 2 years in a row.

 

A lot of people here were banging the drum for Daboll, but look at the Giants this year.  Wheels fell off.

 

Edited January 10 by Beck Water

[LeviF]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

I like McDaniel, but he does comes across as a guy who doesn’t have the respect of his locker room.

 

In fairness, that the first episode I’ve watched and he’s trying to motivate a team that looks like they realize they don’t have it at the moment. 

 

The pro-bowl scene where he’s just hanging out and guys are acting like he’s not even there .. I can’t imagine a moment where McDermott comes across that way. 

 

That's my read. I don't have a strong opinion on McDaniel as a HC one way or the other but these guys look like they've resigned themselves to a one-and-done at this point.

[Mynamemike]

6 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

He's not a joke, he's just not a head coach. He should be an OC cooking up plays in the lab. You are correct about the unnecessary F-bombs. It looks like he's forcing them in an attempt to be relatable to players, but at his core McDaniel is the Yalee that he is. Also, putting the Yale football helmet in his office is a strange touch.

I’d take him as an OC in a second but I think you’re absolutely correct.  He’s made Tua into an MVP candidate and it’ll be interesting to see what they do at QB moving forward.

[Beck Water]

11 minutes ago, boyst said:

mike mcdaniel isn't real. he's that gangley bug eyed kid from SNL playing the role of an NFL coach while pretending to be a 16 yr old kid in the nieghborhood wanting to be cool

 

the unnecessary cursing, the look and hands in pocket, the weird bug like movements with the hands, he's a joke and i'm glad he's finally getting exposed.

 

Look, I thought McDaniel was a scrubby little runt who wasn't gonna cut it as a coach, but his team went from 9-8 to 11-6.  I don't think they do that without being capable and players buyin in.

 

So what coach isn't a joke?  Is Daboll a joke?  He's supposed to be a "man's man" who smokes cigars etc. , his team went from 9-7-1 to 6-11

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Look, I thought McDaniel was a scrubby little runt who wasn't gonna cut it as a coach, but his team went from 9-8 to 11-6.  I don't think they do that without being capable and players buyin in.

 

So what coach isn't a joke?  Is Daboll a joke?  He's supposed to be a "man's man" who smokes cigars etc. , his team went from 9-7-1 to 6-11

daboll does not have the talent mcdaniel does. mcdaniel is a doof

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

The magic is wearing off in Miami. They are realizing McDaniel's might not be the genius they thought he was and Tua is a 1 read QB with a noodle arm

And now they have to pay him next year, the wheels could really fall off.. his cap hit this year was only 9 mil

Ya and McD came up with 2 near perfect gameplans to get him off 1st read, highest scoring O averaged 17 ppg vs us

[boyst]

12 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

He's not a joke, he's just not a head coach. He should be an OC cooking up plays in the lab. You are correct about the unnecessary F-bombs. It looks like he's forcing them in an attempt to be relatable to players, but at his core McDaniel is the Yalee that he is. Also, putting the Yale football helmet in his office is a strange touch.

he's a joke that he's trying to be that relatable man's man when he's not. he's a yalee frat party boy who got his ***** together but is still a dweeb at heart. definitely on the spectrum, as well.

14 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

The cursing did stand out to me when I binge-watched the first 5 episodes last night.  Can you imagine McDermott cussing like a sailor in every team meeting and practice? 😂

it's like a child cursing to be cool not knowing the definition of the words they're using.

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

The magic is wearing off in Miami. They are realizing McDaniel's might not be the genius they thought he was and Tua is a 1 read QB with a noodle arm

 

The issue is any team that has a solid, fundamentally sound defense that doesn't "take the cheese" with all their misdirections and motions is going to shut them down. The ones who don't they will put up huge numbers against because of their speed.

 

I watched the game again yesterday, and literally even I could see watching on TV that Miami has basically 3 or 4 passing concepts that they keep using over and over again. Screens, short passes over the middle or the deeper seam routes to Hill/Waddle. There is literally nothing else they do. Tua can't push the ball outside the numbers.

 

In the first half, they were getting us with a bunch of misdirection counters. Bills said F that and basically brought a safety down into the box and went single high from two high shell they played in the first half and told Tua "beat us". He couldn't. Even with Douglas out and Jackson in. Ended with 173 yards and 2 INTs.

 

Bills started crashing the LOS to stop the run and held Fins to 7 yards on 3 carries.

 

End result, in the 2nd half Miami went 3 and out 4 times, got 2 first downs, and gained 57 yards, scoring 0 points.

 

That's why they can't beat good teams, because their system is easy to defend once you stop buying all the noise.

Edited January 10 by Big Turk

[Mango]

Is nobody going to talk about Jerome Bakers outfit. We are living in the Zoolander Universe. 
 

 

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Mynamemike said:

 

 

first time watching the in season hard knocks.  Gotta say I’m not impressed with McDaniel and it sure seems he’s lost the locker room.  His little quips and quirky responses are funny when they’re winning but it seems like they’re getting pretty tired of it, although that could just be how they edit the show.  

I've always said that about him - the quirky word-salad nerd stuff plays when things are going great - but when things are tough are players really going to look at that and think this guy is a great leader of men

 

I've been purposely avoiding watching this Dolphin version hard knocks - but I'll defnitely check out this week's

[RiotAct]

Just now, stevewin said:

 

I've been purposely avoiding watching this Dolphin version hard knocks - but I'll defnitely check out this week's

there’s some interesting stuff on there about the players’ backstories - one of their guys (Alec Ingold I believe?) literally lived in an RV with his wife when he was with the Ravens for a couple years.

[FLFan]

McDaniel has just “led” his team to their second collapse in as many seasons.  Excuses for him abound, but he is just not a head coach; not a leader.  He is an arrogant d bag on top of that.  He has a creative spin on the WCO as further developed and enhanced by Shanahan, but its success this year has been entirely predicated on the combination of unique offensive talents and primarily speed.  Take some of that away, and meh.  Clueless.  It’s a matter of time until he finds his way to the scrap heap of Dolphin coaches.  

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, boyst said:

daboll does not have the talent mcdaniel does. mcdaniel is a doof

 

No question on that at all.  The Dolphins do have talent and more than most teams.

 

The point is, Daboll managed to get the crew he had to improve their record from 4-13 to 9-7-1, then the wheels fell off this year even though they were widely held to have ADDED talent in the off season.

 

So the Manly man who looks like a real football coach had the wheels fall off, while the Doof managed to improve?

[Dablitzkrieg]

Still trying to find me a pair of those shoes Baker has 🤣

[stevewin]

2 hours ago, FLFan said:

McDaniel has just “led” his team to their second collapse in as many seasons.  Excuses for him abound, but he is just not a head coach; not a leader.  He is an arrogant d bag on top of that.  He has a creative spin on the WCO as further developed and enhanced by Shanahan, but its success this year has been entirely predicated on the combination of unique offensive talents and primarily speed.  Take some of that away, and meh.  Clueless.  It’s a matter of time until he finds his way to the scrap heap of Dolphin coaches.  

One of the things that influenced my opinion of him was a while back someone posted a podcast called the Playcallers that talked about the kyle shanahan/ mcvay tree.  They had interview snippets from a bunch of guys that were in that world. Whenever McDaniel was on there to me he was a real douche - trying to take credit for stuff and slyly throwing shade at the others

Edited January 10 by stevewin

[4merper4mer]

Jerome Baker’s Mom has become my least hated fish.

[Matt_In_NH]

get a load of Jerome Baker's shoes at the end.

[julian]

44 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

No question on that at all.  The Dolphins do have talent and more than most teams.

 

The point is, Daboll managed to get the crew he had to improve their record from 4-13 to 9-7-1, then the wheels fell off this year even though they were widely held to have ADDED talent in the off season.

 

So the Manly man who looks like a real football coach had the wheels fall off, while the Doof managed to improve?

It’s not about what he looks like, he’s a try hard with the forced F-bombs an awkward interactions. He just might not have what it takes to lead men through adversity and hold their attention in bad times. 
 

 Daboll doesn’t strike me as a long term HC either to be honest, he’s maybe too confrontational and abrasive, and without sustained success that’ll get old real fast.

Edited January 10 by julian

[stevewin]

36 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

The cursing did stand out to me when I binge-watched the first 5 episodes last night.  Can you imagine McDermott cussing like a sailor in every team meeting and practice? 😂

I've noticed this in other Hard Knocks seasons - there always seems to be a coach at some level that seems to be trying to drop F bombs every other word to show some kind of toughness or something, but it usually backfires to me to just make them look stupid

Edited January 10 by stevewin

[ChasBB]

 

[Low Positive]

11 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

get a load of Jerome Baker's shoes at the end.

TikTok Boots: https://www.businessinsider.com/mschf-red-boots-are-all-over-your-social-media-2023-2

[BuffaloBillyG]

Just watched the whole thing. That was CINEMA. 

 

What stands out to me is just how much the Buffalo Bills are in the heads of the Miami Dolphins at this point. They almost seemed to know what was coming. 

 

Also, I found it odd that the day after Tyreek's fire no one had really got in contact with him. Yeah, Tua said he tried calling and sent a text...but I have to feel like I'd that was one of our guys the team would have actually showed up in person to see if they could help. This team is just that close. 

[rusty shackleford]

McDaniel's swearing sounds like he is an elementary school kid that just heard a bunch of new curse words on the school bus and tries to be cool repeating them back to his siblings. He does not strike me as someone that can lead a struggling team through adversity.

[RobbRiddick]

I did cringe when McDaniel kept referring to himself as a "party boy" when he was young and drinking. I kept picturing him standing at a bar by himself, nursing a single shot of tequila, then finally taking a sip and reacting like Doc Brown in Back to the Future 3

[Ramza86]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

The magic is wearing off in Miami. They are realizing McDaniel's might not be the genius they thought he was and Tua is a 1 read QB with a noodle arm

 

Idk id rather have Mdaniels calling our plays with Josh Allen at the helm than Brady.

[boyst]

24 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

No question on that at all.  The Dolphins do have talent and more than most teams.

 

The point is, Daboll managed to get the crew he had to improve their record from 4-13 to 9-7-1, then the wheels fell off this year even though they were widely held to have ADDED talent in the off season.

 

So the Manly man who looks like a real football coach had the wheels fall off, while the Doof managed to improve?

i am reserving next year for judgement on Daboll. I think it was premature to step so far last year similarly to the 2017 Bills.

 

If they can put together a cast next year they can compete. But, they play in a very tough division where a 3rd place finish can be respectable.

[KDIGGZ]

1 minute ago, Ramza86 said:

 

Idk id rather have Mdaniels calling our plays with Josh Allen at the helm than Brady.

Josh doesn't fit into that offense. He wants to run around and do whatever he wants. The McDaniel's & Shannahan offense is 1 read, 3 steps and throw. It's timing based. If Josh would play in structure he would potentially extend his career but as Tom Brady put it Josh is like a hard headed kid and will not listen and just do whatever he wants.

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

Watched this episode last night. 

 

The players seemed like they couldn't care less while listening to McDaniels meandering pep talks.

 

They kept cutting away to the players and they were either bored to tears or looked confused. The dude offered up such awkward, milk toast word salad all week...

 

But it was an awesome episode watching McDaniels flounder knowing what was coming. Highly recommend. 

 

Also Jerome Baker needs season ending wrist surgery after he tried to tackle Josh Allen on his 3rd and 13 scramble for the 1sr down.

 

McDaniel came across much more real and sincere talking to the team after practice (about 13 min in) about how it was a special day for him because he was 8 years sober and then how he saw intentionality and they were more of a team etc etc. - players seemed much more positive about what he said.

 

 

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Josh doesn't fit into that offense. He wants to run around and do whatever he wants. The McDaniel's & Shannahan offense is 1 read, 3 steps and throw. It's timing based. If Josh would play in structure he would potentially extend his career but as Tom Brady put it Josh is like a hard headed kid and will not listen and just do whatever he wants.

 

Oh wow, I didn't realize Tom Brady actually said that about Josh.  Link, or can you point me at where and when?