Matt_In_NH Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 I found this surprising/interesting. NFL.com projecting Greg Van Roten to be a pro bowler. He was with the BIlls last year I think on the PS and was released after TC this year, picked up by the Raiders and has started all year. We are all happy with the Bills guards this year but I think this shows how much depth they have had. David Quessenbury has been playing for the Vikings also recently. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-offensive-player-rankings-week-16-building-the-afc-2024-pro-bowl-games-roste 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 I was hoping to keep Roten. Seemed perfect for Christmas season and he would make a perfect Santa. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Well at least he isn’t rotten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Didn't Saffold make the Probowl last year? 4 1 9 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: Didn't Saffold make the Probowl last year? This is different from the Saffold situation, Saffold was living off his reputation while Van Roten's reputation was that he was just horrible with the Jets and with the Bills. If Van Roten actually makes the pro-bowl he has to be having the best year of his career. Edited December 21, 2023 by Billy Claude 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 PFF rates him as a 76 I know PFF is flawed but there isn’t too many other offensive line stats to go by. He’s allowed 4 sacks which is good not great but has no penalties against him which is great so the other oline stats back up him having a good season. Sometimes players just oddly break out 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. 3 5 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, boyst said: if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. I don't think you can blame the Bills. Plenty of other teams had him evaluated him as barely a JAG before the Bills released him. If the question was "Which former 2022 Bill would make the Pro Bowl", he would have been pretty low on my list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 He is 33. Many other teams gave up on him. He just happens to be having his best year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 39 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: I found this surprising/interesting. NFL.com projecting Greg Van Roten to be a pro bowler. He was with the BIlls last year I think on the PS and was released after TC this year, picked up by the Raiders and has started all year. We are all happy with the Bills guards this year but I think this shows how much depth they have had. David Quessenbury has been playing for the Vikings also recently. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-offensive-player-rankings-week-16-building-the-afc-2024-pro-bowl-games-roste Saffold made the pro bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, 17islongenough said: He is 33. Many other teams gave up on him. He just happens to be having his best year Exactly. He was clearly not in the top 4 here during camp and they were better off keeping a younger developmental player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 34 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Didn't Saffold make the Probowl last year? This was the biggest joke in history haha guy went from supposedly pro bowl talent to unemployed without retiring 😂 If there was an anti pro bowl with the worst players saffold definitely belonged in that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Hey, remember when Tyler Huntley made the Pro Bowl at QB last year? The Pro Bowl is a joke. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 1 hour ago, Rigotz said: Hey, remember when Tyler Huntley made the Pro Bowl at QB last year? The Pro Bowl is a joke. First string ProBowl is not a joke. Being named an alternate and then making the ProBowl because 5 other guys declined is a joke. Dustin Hopkins may be All-Pro K this year. He is on his fourth team after the BIlls gave up on him. He was OK with Washington but now is having his best year of his career at age 33. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Didn’t van Roten get destroyed by ed Oliver in the raiders game this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 It’s “Pro Bowl Games”. I hear he is good a tug-of-war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, boyst said: if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. Still mad you were wrong about Milano being our starting MLB? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/greg-van-roten/7746 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 3 hours ago, boyst said: if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. Teller was not playing like he did in Cleveland here Professional athletes get a fire lit under their ass.. especially when they're traded and they think the clock is ticking He went to a better scheme fit and he did not produce at that level here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 The Bills played Teller at LG and the Browns switched him to RG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 22, 2023 Author Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Malazan said: Saffold made the pro bowl. Van roten has not and I bet he won’t. This is a story about someone’s opinion on who should make the pro bowl. I mean Jacob’s is having a terrible year and he is one fifth of that. Not sure I’d be is deserving or not but it is at least surprising someone does. Either a hot take or he is outperforming what most thought of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: First string ProBowl is not a joke. Being named an alternate and then making the ProBowl because 5 other guys declined is a joke. Dustin Hopkins may be All-Pro K this year. He is on his fourth team after the BIlls gave up on him. He was OK with Washington but now is having his best year of his career at age 33. If I recall, Dusty got injured his rookie year before TC and we had to sign Dan Carpenter, who had an amazing season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 In a perfect world, the bills actually get a ol on that pro bowl. They have been pretty good this year. Our guards have been very good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: In a perfect world, the bills actually get a ol on that pro bowl. They have been pretty good this year. Our guards have been very good Dion Dawkins could be a second team All pro... Mitch Morris certainly can be a pro bowler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 I read somewhere McDermott and Beane should be fired. How can this be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFan2313 said: Still mad you were wrong about Milano being our starting MLB? I was not wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 11 minutes ago, boyst said: I was not wrong You were pretty wrong 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: Van roten has not and I bet he won’t. This is a story about someone’s opinion on who should make the pro bowl. I mean Jacob’s is having a terrible year and he is one fifth of that. Not sure I’d be is deserving or not but it is at least surprising someone does. Either a hot take or he is outperforming what most thought of him. It is true that it is just some random media guy's opinion, however, the fact that anyone outside of his mother/wife believes that he might make the pro-bowl is still pretty surprising considering how bad he was with the Bills and the Jets and how mediocre he has been his whole career. Edited December 22, 2023 by Billy Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, boyst said: if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. Yeah, horrible decision to take Bernard in RD3. Knowing that, we should totally make snap judgments on Dorian Williams. Edited December 22, 2023 by JGMcD2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Speech Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 5 hours ago, boyst said: if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. If my aunt had a package she'd be my uncle... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 6 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: I found this surprising/interesting. NFL.com projecting Greg Van Roten to be a pro bowler. He was with the BIlls last year I think on the PS and was released after TC this year, picked up by the Raiders and has started all year. We are all happy with the Bills guards this year but I think this shows how much depth they have had. David Quessenbury has been playing for the Vikings also recently. https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-offensive-player-rankings-week-16-building-the-afc-2024-pro-bowl-games-roste I saw a few Raisers games this year and he never stood out to me either way, which probably is a good thing. Last season in Buffalo he was really bad. That can’t be denied Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 3 hours ago, Malazan said: You were pretty wrong ?? I was never wrong about Milano. I said he was better and more important to the team than Edmunds. 2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said: Yeah, horrible decision to take Bernard in RD3. Knowing that, we should totally make snap judgments on Dorian Williams. Spector, Edmunds, Joseph, a few others im forgetting 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 8 hours ago, boyst said: if we had kept Teller and Van Roten and evaluated LB's properly in the draft we might not have needed to use resources on the line we have now. just sayin. Yeah I’m sure you were all aboard the “resign our back up center and make him a starting guard” train last year. Gimme a break captain hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 8 hours ago, 17islongenough said: He is 33. Many other teams gave up on him. He just happens to be having his best year I had no idea he was that old. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 9 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: If I recall, Dusty got injured his rookie year before TC and we had to sign Dan Carpenter, who had an amazing season. Yep. Hopkins was a horrible situation for the Bills. They drafted him, committed to him, released Lindell and then he suffered a season ending groin tear on the eve of his rookie year. Carpenter came in and made 91% of his FGs including multiple game winners in what turned out to be a career year. It kinda left them in a perilous spot. Go with a proven vet who just had an exceptional year or roll with the kid who has never kicked in an NFL game off a major groin injury. There is another dimension somewhere where Dustin Hopkins is the Bills kicker for a decade. But in this dimension circumstance put paid to it. 5 hours ago, boyst said: Spector, Edmunds, Joseph, a few others im forgetting Spector was a 7th and is still on the roster im year 2 as a core STer and a backup LB. That is not a miss. Vosean Joseph, yep they missed badly on that pick, no doubt, but he was a 5th rounder. Not a day 2 pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 14 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: First string ProBowl is not a joke. Being named an alternate and then making the ProBowl because 5 other guys declined is a joke. Dustin Hopkins may be All-Pro K this year. He is on his fourth team after the BIlls gave up on him. He was OK with Washington but now is having his best year of his career at age 33. I don’t think they gave up on him. If I recall he got hurt right before the season started and they had to scramble to find a replacement in Dan Carpenter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 8 hours ago, gobills404 said: Yeah I’m sure you were all aboard the “resign our back up center and make him a starting guard” train last year. Gimme a break captain hindsight. I've always been on a build from the inside out train. I didn't want scrubs like Sherfield or Harty here. I didn't want to overspend on JAG WRs. Josh can make decent WR's good. But not midgets. I didn't like signing Felciano, he was a wannabe brute but he was tougher than the candy asses we had. I did not like saffold. I thought Bates was the good swing interior guy, and wanted youth over older vets at the time we were growing and lowladed at other talent. 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Hopkins was a horrible situation for the Bills. They drafted him, committed to him, released Lindell and then he suffered a season ending groin tear on the eve of his rookie year. Carpenter came in and made 91% of his FGs including multiple game winners in what turned out to be a career year. It kinda left them in a perilous spot. Go with a proven vet who just had an exceptional year or roll with the kid who has never kicked in an NFL game off a major groin injury. There is another dimension somewhere where Dustin Hopkins is the Bills kicker for a decade. But in this dimension circumstance put paid to it. Spector was a 7th and is still on the roster im year 2 as a core STer and a backup LB. That is not a miss. Vosean Joseph, yep they missed badly on that pick, no doubt, but he was a 5th rounder. Not a day 2 pick. Include the evaluation of veterans and we have been sub par. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 25 minutes ago, boyst said: I've always been on a build from the inside out train. I didn't want scrubs like Sherfield or Harty here. I didn't want to overspend on JAG WRs. Josh can make decent WR's good. But not midgets. I didn't like signing Felciano, he was a wannabe brute but he was tougher than the candy asses we had. I did not like saffold. I thought Bates was the good swing interior guy, and wanted youth over older vets at the time we were growing and lowladed at other talent. Include the evaluation of veterans and we have been sub par. It is true that the Bills have not been great signing vet F.A. until this year. However, I have no idea where this narrative that players leave the Bills to become stars come from. Outside of Teller which was 5 years ago, which players would Beane regret that that the Bills did not resign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Billy Claude said: It is true that the Bills have not been great signing vet F.A. until this year. However, I have no idea where this narrative that players leave the Bills to become stars come from. Outside of Teller which was 5 years ago, which players would Beane regret that that the Bills did not resign? Oh, please do not believe I am thinking that players leave here and become all stars. Unless you count Justin armour, kamar Aiken, Chris Hogan, Harrison phillips, Tremaine Edmonds, Ray Ray McCloud, Dustin hopkins, jabari Greer, that wild goose kid.... Those are immortal Stars that cannot be refuted 😜 Edited December 22, 2023 by boyst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted December 22, 2023 Share Posted December 22, 2023 13 minutes ago, boyst said: Oh, please do not believe I am thinking that players leave here and become all stars. Unless you count Justin armour, kamar Aiken, Chris Hogan, Harrison phillips, Tremaine Edmonds, Ray Ray McCloud, Dustin hopkins, jabari Greer, that wild goose kid.... Those are immortal Stars that cannot be refuted 😜 I don't get your point. Your original argument was that the Bills were bad at evaluating vets because they should have kept Teller and Van Roten. The people you listed are JAGs or folks from way before Beane (Hopkins, Greer) or way too expensive (Tremaine Edmunds -- a decent player but not worth the money the Bears gave him). So are you saying the Bills are okay at evaluating vets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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