Is Diggs done?

[Virgil]

Yes. Cut him. It’s Gabe time

[Beck Water]

28 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

He was nonexistent today.  He dropped at least two screens. Sheffield was in for him again multiple times on key downs.

What is going with him and the WR corps more generally?? Was it scheme or is he experiencing a major drop off?

 

Gabe also put up another donut.

 

Josh was struggling all game to find anyone to throw it to.

 

 

 

The Chiefs have a very strong defense this year, especially against the pass.  Historically against the Bills, they've schemed to take Diggs away and force Allen to be patient and take the underneath throw.

 

I miss a lot watching broadcasts, but I would expect when people start analyzing film they'll find that the Chiefs D was like "OK, Allen has Diggs and no one, so we'll take away Diggs". 

 

Allen was certainly trying to hit him.

Just now, Virgil said:

Yes. Cut him. It’s Gabe time

 

Oooooh.  I love it when you talk dirty like that!

[Roundybout]

Not really, Sneed and McDuffie are very good and had him covered all day. 
 

The drops are a concern, though. Something to keep an eye on

[MPT]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Diggs is fine. You don’t dominate every week for your whole career. 
 

davis is a trainwreck for this offense currently. Even if he flashed open on a play. 

 

True, but he hasn't dominated in any meaningful game his whole career either.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Diggs is fine. You don’t dominate every week for your whole career. 
 

davis is a trainwreck for this offense currently. Even if he flashed open on a play. 

I agree. Diggs is fixable and will turn it on these last few games.  Gabe has lost Josh's confidence and I don't expect him targeted much here on out.  

[DapperCam]

59 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

We have a big hole at Wr2, simple as that.

 

Doesn't take a defensive genius to realize that Gabse isn't winning 1-1 consistently.  So you double/bracket Diggs on most downs, then focus on Kincaid.  

 

That means we need Cook and running game to be successful.  For better long term success, we'd have Shakir or Harty be a consistent threat from the slot.  That's been spotty, both guys have moments and I'm convinced we're wasting Harty (he is a talented player).

 

But we need a Wr2, next year's draft is ripe for Wrs in first two rounds that can step in and be our #2.

 

I pretty much agree with this. Diggs is doubled every play. Davis isn't beating his guy usually, and Kincaid has actually been our best mismatch recently. Diggs is great, but he can still get schemed out of a game if the defense wants to spend the resources on it.

The drops have been puzzling though.

[LEBills]

the Chiefs always give him and our receivers problems because they hold them all game and hit them hard when they get the ball.

Edited December 11, 2023 by LEBills

[Rocbillsfan1]

I’ve been his biggest fan but he looks checked out. Think the diva bs has finally gone to his head. 

[Governor]

We shouldn’t keep him another season if that’s what you’re asking. He’s in sharp decline.

[Dan in Owego]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

We shouldn’t keep him another season if that’s what you’re asking. He’s in sharp decline.

If we can get some legit outside help he would be deadly in the slot

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Dan in Owego said:

If we can get some legit outside help he would be deadly in the slot

Possible I guess.

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, MPT said:

 

True, but he hasn't dominated in any meaningful game his whole career either.

Sounds like you don’t think he’s declining then!

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, BBFL said:

I got lynched for saying weeks ago that he looks a little checked out and not 100% in it. Always seems bothered by not being targeted but then proceeds to do very little or nothing with the targets he’s seeing. 
 

Secondly, someone said it best in the GDT; how does Stefon get a pass for drops but Davis and the rest of the gang get burned at the stake?!

Yep, he had 4 catches on 11 targets for only 24 yards. That is extremely poor.

[Matt_In_NH]

Has been since Brady took over.  But the offense overall is better.  He will break out. 

[BillsFan130]

Seems to struggle with separation compared to years past.

 

Still a good player, but I’m not sure if he’s elite anymore 

[MPT]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

Sounds like you don’t think he’s declining then!

 

Definitely is declining. He's not dominating in meaningless games this year either.

[BuffaninSarasota]

1 hour ago, Jerome007 said:

Joe Brady has been great as OC... except for getting WRs open. He needs to scheme Diggs open.

see below. Perfectly explained.

 

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

We have a big hole at Wr2, simple as that.

 

Doesn't take a defensive genius to realize that Gabse isn't winning 1-1 consistently.  So you double/bracket Diggs on most downs, then focus on Kincaid.  

 

That means we need Cook and running game to be successful.  For better long term success, we'd have Shakir or Harty be a consistent threat from the slot.  That's been spotty, both guys have moments and I'm convinced we're wasting Harty (he is a talented player).

 

But we need a Wr2, next year's draft is ripe for Wrs in first two rounds that can step in and be our #2.

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:

He was nonexistent today.  He dropped at least two screens. Sheffield was in for him again multiple times on key downs.

What is going with him and the WR corps more generally?? Was it scheme or is he experiencing a major drop off?

 

Gabe also put up another donut.

 

Josh was struggling all game to find anyone to throw it to.

 

 

I mentioned this in another post but Diggs is 7 yards shy of his 6th straight 1K+ yard season. Why is this narrative being pushed on this board? KC schemed Diggs out of the game, but allowed Allen to spread the ball to 10 diff receivers. Davis didn’t have a great game, but he was as wide open as u can possibly get for a TD on the last drive, Allen missed him. 

[Royale with Cheese]

Some of you guys are such drama queens.

 

He went 8 for 76 and a TD in the rain just last week at Philly.

 

A few game skid doesn’t mean he is declining.  Allen struggled midseason this year, clearly declining.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

Diggs is fine. You don’t dominate every week for your whole career. 

 

It wasn't just this week though. He has not played like a top tier #1 WR really since the London game. It's a legit concern. Especially since the WRs behind him are below average, we need our #1 to be elite to make up for it.

 

I don't think this team has the necessary weapons to win a Super Bowl. Even if you assume best case scenario and we make it to the Super Bowl to play 49ers, Eagles, and Cowboys, how are we possibly going to compete against those rosters?

[DrDawkinstein]

No he isnt done, and no our OL isnt horrible all of a sudden.

 

Newsflash for anyone who hasnt been following the NFL: THE CHIEFS, especially their defense, ARE A REALLY GOOD TEAM

 

everyone R-E-L-A-X

[mannc]

1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said:

He was nonexistent today.  He dropped at least two screens. Sheffield was in for him again multiple times on key downs.

What is going with him and the WR corps more generally?? Was it scheme or is he experiencing a major drop off?

 

Gabe also put up another donut.

 

Josh was struggling all game to find anyone to throw it to.

 

 

I’m not sure how anyone could disagree with this. Diggs has done nothing for a full month, after looking like a top three receiver in the league the first 8 games…

[NickelCity]

Diggs powering for that first down in the first half was legit. Definitely not checked out.

[Mikie2times]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Some of you guys are such drama queens.

 

He went 8 for 76 and a TD in the rain just last week at Philly.

 

A few game skid doesn’t mean he is declining.  Allen struggled midseason this year, clearly declining.

Gabe Davis has more receiving  yards the last 4 weeks and he has half the drops the last 4 games as he had last year 

Edited December 11, 2023 by Mikie2times

[bouds]

Today's gameplan felt like they were not be confident enough winning CBvWR matchups, I mean we attacked with the backs and TEs more than WRs.

 

We did have Davis wide open for a TD though.

[Since1981]

We learned weeks later that Beasley had broken ribs. Makes me wonder if Diggs is less than 100%. Because you need him as a decoy

[NoSaint]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

It wasn't just this week though. He has not played like a top tier #1 WR really since the London game. It's a legit concern. Especially since the WRs behind him are below average, we need our #1 to be elite to make up for it.

 

I don't think this team has the necessary weapons to win a Super Bowl. Even if you assume best case scenario and we make it to the Super Bowl to play 49ers, Eagles, and Cowboys, how are we possibly going to compete against those rosters?

outside of tyreek, who are those guys?

 

Is aj brown over the hill because of his last month?

 

ceedee has had a couple games like this 

Amon ra and mike evans combined for 29 yards today 

 

[CaptnCoke11]

It was a horrible showing for our WR group 

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

I’m not sure how anyone could disagree with this. Diggs has done nothing for a full month, after looking like a top three receiver in the league the first 8 games…

He was 6 for 76 and a TD last game. That’s not nothing.

[BillMafia716ix]

Far from done. Theres no other WR doing enough to take the coverage off him

[mannc]

Just now, NoSaint said:

He was 6 for 76 and a TD last game. That’s not nothing.

That’s true.  Diggs did play pretty well vs the Eagles, but there’s been a big drop off overall since the first 7-8 games

[Beast]

I’ve seen Diggs look better. A lot better.

 

I’ll leave it at that.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Perry Turtle said:

I don't know if he's done, but they need to toss those WR Screens to him out of the playbook.  Diggs is an elite route runner.  He's not a speed guy.  Stop wasting him and downs on those stupid play calls.

Maybe try those throws to Shakir. A run after the catch type of receiver. This is why I'm banging the drum for Xavier Legette in the draft. 

[Mikie2times]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

outside of tyreek, who are those guys?

 

Is aj brown over the hill because of his last month?

 

ceedee has had a couple games like this 

Amon ra and mike evans combined for 29 yards today 

 

So in order to say a player isn't doing bad you just need to find other players who had a bad game? You should be able to see what is being talked about. Failing to win contested catches. Drops. Taking himself out of key plays. Not being dependable or generating any consistent production for 4 weeks. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Mikie2times said:

Gabe Davis has more receiving  yards the last 4 weeks and he has half the drops the last 4 games as he had last year 

So this is you cherry picking two stats in a 4 game stretch to prove he is declining.  
 

Over a 17 game season, if you have a skid, you are 100% declining is not a strong argument IMO.

[Mikie2times]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

So this is you cherry picking two stats in a 4 game stretch to prove he is declining.  
 

Over a 17 game season, if you have a skid, you are 100% declining is not a strong argument IMO.

I have eyes, that's where I started feeling like this

[Royale with Cheese]

6 minutes ago, bouds said:

Today's gameplan felt like they were not be confident enough winning CBvWR matchups, I mean we attacked with the backs and TEs more than WRs.

 

We did have Davis wide open for a TD though.

It seems as if they game planned knowing KC was going to be very aggressive and bring pressure which is why we threw to RB’s a lot.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

So in order to say a player isn't doing bad you just need to find other players who had a bad game? You should be able to see what is being talked about. Failing to win contested catches. Drops. Taking himself out of key plays. Not being dependable or generating any consistent production for 4 weeks. 

there’s a difference monumental difference between a bad game and being “done”

 

feel free to start a diggs had a bad day thread and I won’t push back there 

[HappyDays]

21 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

outside of tyreek, who are those guys?

 

Is aj brown over the hill because of his last month?

 

AJ Brown's QB is average IMO. He is the main reason their passing offense does anything at all. He's pretty clearly better than Diggs this year.

 

Other than Hill and Brown - Jefferson (when healthy), Chase, Wilson, Metcalf, Adams, Cooper. Those are the really dominant WRs this year (in no particular order), obviously with a high variance in the level of QB they have throwing the ball to them.

 

DJ Moore, Lamb, and Mike Evans, I'm not quite there but close. 

 

I'm not sure Diggs is playing equal or better football over the past two months than any of the WRs I mentioned above.

 

Edited December 11, 2023 by HappyDays

[Lost]

3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It seems as if they game planned knowing KC was going to be very aggressive and bring pressure which is why we threw to RB’s a lot.

 

But then we abandoned that even though it was working and Josh was running for his life most of the rest of the game.