Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[PromoTheRobot]

54 minutes ago, Special K said:

 

I would hope there would be no dead cap hit given the circumstances.

 

 

I don't think the NFLPA would go along with this. Now the league could suspend him. They done as much for players accused of offenses. Not sure what a suspension does for the Bills cap tho.

Edited December 1, 2023 by PromoTheRobot

[SoonerBillsFan]

29 minutes ago, Chaos said:

so no trial or due process? just kicked to the curb because he stands accused? 

You mean like this team did with the punt God?  Precident is set.

[Niagara Dude]

No one knows for sure what happened but if that was his 7 year common law wife then it's bad

[Chaos]

7 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

You mean like this team did with the punt God?  Precident is set.

So once you make mistake, you must always repeat the same mistake?

[Franchiseneedsme]

I'll bet his contract has a morals clause in it. He's definitely going to jail.. .. so what's our salary cap situation  look like without Von? I think we would get a extra 40M

[Scott7975]

 

[Niagara Dude]

About the Texas “No Drop” Policy

Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.

 

Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.

Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.

Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges

Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.

 

 

Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?

Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.

Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future. 

Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.

 

 

Von is in deep poop, he cannot just make this go away. 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Niagara Dude

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

About the Texas “No Drop” Policy

Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.

 

Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.

Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.

Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges

Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.

 

 

Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?

Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.

Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future. 

Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.

 

 

Von is in deep poop, he cannot just make this go away. 

 

I doubt he is in deep poop.  This at best will probably plead down to a misdemeanor with a fine and no prison time.

[BillsDiehard]

This is crazy...her account after the incident my g different than the 911 call!

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

[MasterStrategist]

10 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

About the Texas “No Drop” Policy

Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.

 

Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.

Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.

Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges

Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.

 

 

Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?

Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.

Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future. 

Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.

 

 

Von is in deep poop, he cannot just make this go away. 

We shall see.  Deep poop if the she continues and stays consistent with her story/collaborated with the supposed recording she started on her phone (as the situation progressed).

 

The optics look horrible, so if she sticks with her story (and we haven't heard Von's yet), then it will be a PR issue and likely lead to his release.

[Arkady Renko]

4 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

This is crazy...her account after the incident my g different than the 911 call!

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

What? 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, Preds said:

BILLSY

no Billsy isn't Criminal. We are way beyond billsy here.   Say what you will about the Bills but this type of situation is just the worst on so man y more deeper levels than billsy..imo

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said:

What? 

I guess she had a different story later by text, but there's still the injuries, and it's very common in that kind of situation for someone to suddenly say nothing happened. 🤷‍♂️

 

Quote

Reached by text message by WFAA, Miller's girlfriend downplayed the incident.

"We’re fine," she wrote. "Things were blown way out of context. This is actually outrageous!"

She called the incident "a huge misunderstanding" and described it as "a verbal disagreement." 

"No one assaulted anyone," she texted. "This is insane. And sad."

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by Warcodered

[BuffaloBillyG]

22 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

About the Texas “No Drop” Policy

Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.

 

Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.

Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.

Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges

Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.

 

 

Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?

Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.

Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future. 

Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.

 

 

Von is in deep poop, he cannot just make this go away. 

That's some really good information. Thank you for sharing that. 

 

Of course that sounds pretty locked. However, Von has the money for a locksmith. The right political "donation" is all it takes.

[SCBills]

16 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

This is crazy...her account after the incident my g different than the 911 call!

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

 

“This is blown out proportion.  It’s actually crazy.  No one assaulted anyone”

 

Ok then…

 

And the “no drop” rule does make sense, however … assuming it got heated/maybe blown out of proportion and she truly wants to drop the case … this now could cost him, and by association her.. tens of millions of dollars. 
 

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by SCBills

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That's some really good information. Thank you for sharing that. 

 

Of course that sounds pretty locked. However, Von has the money for a locksmith. The right political "donation" is all it takes.

 

Yeah, all the prosecutor has to do is say "we don't have enough evidence" and down the drain it goes...

[wppete]

We will never see him on the field with the Bills or any team again. He can kiss goodbye his GM fantasies also. 

[Bangarang]

29 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

About the Texas “No Drop” Policy

Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.

 

Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.

Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.

Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges

Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.

 

 

Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?

Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.

Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future. 

Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.

 

 

Von is in deep poop, he cannot just make this go away. 

There’s little to no chance the DA tries to prosecute if the girlfriend does not want to cooperate. 

[muppy]

sincere question for the board.  Of all the domestic violence incidents recorded by NFL players. Is Von Millers'  offense deemed  so much worse due to she being pregnant? Is that the tipping point of this?

 

Frankly the NFL and their stance on these issues is somewhat murky.  Case by case basis..?

 

Is a conviction the tipping point? If he settles or she renegues on her statement then  he is deemed vindicated?

 

can someone help a sister out here Thanks. m

Edited December 1, 2023 by muppy

[Scott7975]

 

 

Quote

The girlfriend tried to gather her belongings, but Miller grabbed her phone, threw her laptop on the floor and stomped on it, the affidavit said.

When she tried to get her laptop from the floor, Miller "pulled her by her hair, ultimately pulling a chunk of hair out and causing her to fall to the ground," the affidavit said.

At this point, according the the affidavit, the girlfriend began filming the incident on her phone own phone, which she put in her pocket. The affidavit said Miller then grabbed her and pushed her onto the couch, again placing pressure around her neck with both hands.

 

Something missing between these two things.

[cDAVIS]

I see he turned himself in. This is disappointing. He seemed like a good guy. Unfortunate. Let's hope those details aren't accurate for the woman's sake. 

[Niagara Dude]

18 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

That's some really good information. Thank you for sharing that. 

 

Of course that sounds pretty locked. However, Von has the money for a locksmith. The right political "donation" is all it takes.

I am just giving state laws,  this could go away but it won't go away in days by her withdrawing her claims

[Dr.Sack]

Don’t blink

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

sincere question for the board.  Of all the domestic violence incidents recorded by NFL players. Is Von Millers'  offense deemed  so much worse due to she being pregnant? Is that the tipping point of this?

 

Frankly the NFL and their stance on these issues is somewhat murky.  Case by case basis..?

 

Is a conviction the tipping point? If he settles or she renegues on her statement then  he is deemed vindicated?

 

can someone help a sister out here Thanks. m

 

I guess it depends.  First let me say that I think assault on a woman is disgusting either way.  If someone smacks a woman in the face then I don't think it matters if the woman is pregnant or not.  If the violence is severe enough that it could cause complications or worse with the pregnancy then yes, I think it's worse.

[Niagara Dude]

35 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I doubt he is in deep poop.  This at best will probably plead down to a misdemeanor with a fine and no prison time.

Don't get me wrong,  I never expected him to go to jail.  This could end his career or whatever remaining time he had left and he could lose guaranteed money.

[Old Coot]

45 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

About the Texas “No Drop” Policy

Texas has passed legislation to make sure that domestic violence charges are taken very seriously. Our state’s “no drop” policy means that, even if someone in your household wants to drop domestic violence charges, they do not have the power to do so on their own.

 

Domestic violence charges are brought by the prosecutor—not the alleged victim of domestic violence. Under Texas law, it’s the prosecutor’s decision whether to drop charges. Even if the alleged victim later changes their mind, they do not have the authority to drop charges on their own.

Instead, the prosecutor must be persuaded to drop the assault charges. It’s not impossible to accomplish, but it requires specific legal action and strategy.

Convincing a Prosecutor to Drop Domestic Violence Charges

Your partner or household member can’t decide to drop charges on their own, so your lawyer may need to emphasize other facts of your case. Each case is different, but a lawyer may emphasize a client’s lack of any past criminal record. They may also look to the facts of the case to help convince prosecutors that the charges need to be dropped.

 

 

Why Does Texas Have a “No Drop” Policy?

Our state’s “no drop” policy is tied to psychological research about the nature of abusive relationships. Abusive relationships often follow a cycle of gradual escalation of violence until a dramatic and significant episode. That episode is often followed by a period of calm during which the abuser tries to make it up to their partner.

Prosecutors are concerned that their clients will make statements directly after a violent episode, and then take them back when things are calm again—even though there’s likely to be a gradual escalation of violence in the future. 

Prosecutors are also concerned that abusive partners will pressure their victims into recanting out of fear. The state’s strict “no drop” policy is designed to protect against these situations.

I think that this is a good policy.

 

I question, however, whether many prosecutors would go forward with the case if the complaining witness refuses to cooperate.

[Berky1010]

9 hours ago, ngbills said:

What comes to mind is why is he in Dallas still? Is the team not practicing all week? Do key players decide to not practice? That would explain a lot of how this season has gone. 

Diggs is having a 30th bday bash in NYC right now with 200 guests and 75 hotel rooms. So no they are not practicing.

[RG Murdock]

There's no way this women just made this up. She's carrying his baby, the police reported bruises on her neck and arm. I feel sorry for her. She told Miller she was calling the police. He left.. That's our Mr. Positive. What a phony. Not only has Miller done zero for this team this year, now he has become a major distraction for the team at the worst possible time, and a team and city embarrassment. Every major network news broadcast covered this story. In Chicago every local news channel covered this story. I'm sure it's the same everywhere else. Great PR for the Bills... Thanks Von. Good riddance. The law will allow his lawyers to stretch this out. He's still played his last game as a Bill.  

[Scott7975]

This also doesn't make sense

 

Quote

The girlfriend then got up and told Miller she was going to call police, per the affidavit. At that point, the affidavit said, Miller then left the home.

His girlfriend told officers that she is six weeks pregnant, according to the affidavit. She was treated for minor injuries at the scene, and officers then took her to headquarters for a full interview about what happened, the affidavit stated.

WFAA obtained a recording of the 911 call the girlfriend placed.

"My boyfriend is choking and hitting me... I have bruises all over me," she can be heard saying. "My hair is out."

Asked by the 911 dispatcher if her boyfriend was still with her, the girlfriend said, "He just stormed out."

"I don’t know," she said when asked by the dispatcher if she needed paramedics. "He pulled my hair out. I have, like, some blood on me -- but not, like… yeah, I don’t know."

 

She told him she is going to call the police and he left the house.  She then calls the police and says "My boyfriend IS choking and hitting me."

 

I mean, I think something happened here, but some of these statements are weird.

Edited December 1, 2023 by Scott7975

[zow2]

Amazon pregame show got very serious with the report about Von. 
On the football side the country probably thinks the Bills will be sunk without him. Little do they know the defensive line snap counts just improved. 

[Scott7975]

and what do you disagree with @RG Murdock?  Do you disagree that something happened or do you disagree that it's weird that someone says they ARE being choked and hit after the person has already left.  Maybe my earlier quotes that I also found it weird that Von took her phone and laptop, threw them on the ground and stomped on them but then after the fact she pulled her phone out of her pocket and started recording it?

Edited December 1, 2023 by Scott7975

[Irv]

Another reason to ditch the bye week. NFLPA f'd up. 

 

  

Edited December 1, 2023 by Irv

[Chaos]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

and what do you disagree with @RG Murdock?  Do you disagree that something happened or do you disagree that it's weird that someone says they ARE being choked hit after the person has already left.

I don't know what happened. But if someone just choked you , beat you and pulled your hair out, when you called 911 it seems reasonable your language might not be precise. 

[RG Murdock]

3 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

She told him she is going to call the police and he left the house.  She then calls the police and says "My boyfriend IS choking and hitting me."

What's your point? He's innocent? So she called the police during the incident, and he left during the call. What a guy. There's a warrant out for his arrest.   

[Scott7975]

Just now, RG Murdock said:

What's your point? He's innocent? So she called the police during the incident, and he left during the call. What a guy. There's a warrant out for his arrest.   

 

I didn't say he was innocent.  I said the statements were weird and I find them to be.  He also doesn't have a warrant out for his arrest because he already turned himself in and then bailed himself out.

 

"What a guy?" What do you know about me other than I find the statements weird?

[PatsFanNH]

2 minutes ago, Irv said:

Beane, McDermott, and the Equipment Manager should be fired over Miller's domestic violence.  

Why the equipment manager? What did he switch his cup with a smaller one?? 

[Mango]

44 minutes ago, BillsDiehard said:

This is crazy...her account after the incident my g different than the 911 call!

 

https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/buffalo-bills-nfl-von-miller-faces-arrest-in-dallas-texas-domestic-violence-case/287-2904617b-5d0d-4252-a321-28d8f61807f0

She recorded a video. The police saw it, have it, and have bruising.
 

This is most certainly because Von/the league has spoken to her. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I don't know what happened. But if someone just choked you , beat you and pulled your hair out, when you called 911 it seems reasonable your language might not be precise. 

 

Maybe but still weird to me.  If someone ran up to me and stabbed me and then ran off, I wouldn't call the cops and tell them I was being stabbed.  I would say someone stabbed me.

[DapperCam]

Just now, Mango said:

She recorded a video. The police saw it, have it, and have bruising.
 

This is most certainly because Von/the league has spoken to her. 

She probably didn’t realize $17m dollars were on the line when she made the call. I’m glad she did though.

[Scott7975]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

She recorded a video. The police saw it, have it, and have bruising.
 

This is most certainly because Von/the league has spoken to her. 

 

If the cops have a video then it wouldn't matter what Von/the league said to her.  Dallas can prosecute without her.