Patrick Duffy Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Well, good excuse to release him I guess... I'm not sure if it would help or hurt more regarding the cap $$ I mean he's contributing absolutely nothing on the field anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: The cap situation isn’t great, but alot of it is due to bad decisions/bad breaks on the defensive side of the ball. Yeah, bad decisions is part of the organizational issues that were mentioned. 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: The Offense, for next year, actually looks phenomenal … especially if we upgrade WR2 via the Draft. We can fix the cap situation by cutting Morse, Harty, Poyer, White and Johnson. We are currently $42M over the cap going into 2024. Cutting White saves us $6M. Cutting Morse saves us $8.5M. Cutting Harty saves us $3.9M. Cutting Poyer saves us $5.5M. Cutting Johnson saves us $7.7M. Cutting these players brings us down to $10M over the cap. We then have to replace those 4 starters too: Average starting CB: $6M ($5,388,889) Average starting S: $4M ($4,107,221) Average starting Center: $6.7M Average starting Nickel: $4.3M ($4,328,667) That's $21M in replacements for average players. There is no easy way out of this. 5 minutes ago, SCBills said: Bates can take over for Morse. This would be a terrible mistake IMO. The center is a pivotal part of the offensive line, both from calling out protections, to his relationship with the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I think we’re all in agreement that if he beat his pregnant gf, we need to cut him. However, if charges are dropped, and we cut him. That’s two players, in two years, we’ve cut based off allegations. Would you want to play for a team with that track record? Based on how this likely plays out.. the Bills are in a really tough situation. Probably the worst non-JA player for this to surround given his play on the field, future contract implications and sway in the NFL/Locker Room. A Diggs-like figure, with a Diggs-like contract, without the Diggs-like production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said: Sure. But it seems over the top to blame Poyer and Hyde for anything. Blame is a strong word... they are older now and their skills are sliding, but to blame them is insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 3 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Well, good excuse to release him I guess... I'm not sure if it would help or hurt more regarding the cap $$ I mean he's contributing absolutely nothing on the field anyways. They likely cant cut him without going over the cap. I am not a sky is falling guy but even cutting him in the offseason will add 17.5 million dollars of dead cap to a team that is already 42 million over the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, boyst said: he hardly had a clean record. he was always like this but now it is coming out because he is not the level of player he was and the chickens ALWAYS come home to roost. he's getting karma. it's why i never wanted him. he came with too much baggage that no one acknowledged or knew about because the media liked him. he's always been a douche scumbag me first person. 22 minutes ago, stevestojan said: Any examples of this? not being a dick, honestly curious what his track record is. Reminder that being accused isn't the same as being convicted, but by the same token accusations do go away for a fee at times. Edited November 30, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I think we’re all in agreement that if he beat his pregnant gf, we need to cut him. However, if charges are dropped, and we cut him. That’s two players, in two years, we’ve cut based off allegations. Would you want to play for a team with that track record? Based on how this likely plays out.. the Bills are in a really tough situation. Probably the worst non-JA player for this to surround given his play on the field, future contract implications and sway in the NFL/Locker Room. A Diggs-like figure, with a Diggs-like contract, without the Diggs-like production. Again, I am not sure they can cut him without putting themselves over the cap. They will need to work with the league to see if they can suspend him without pay for the rest of the year with cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 going back to WGR at 11 when this broke. they covered it 5 minutes then went to Sabres talk. then went to talking about breakfast this morning. asked callers to call in about anything they want. wgr pushing 100% sabres talk lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 We’ve seen so many claims like this, turn out not to be true. With instant media these days, no one verifies anything. People need to wait for all facts to be heard before making judgments. Von however does have a history of steroid use. Maybe he’s been “rehabbing” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah, bad decisions is part of the organizational issues that were mentioned. We are currently $42M over the cap going into 2024. Cutting White saves us $6M. Cutting Morse saves us $8.5M. Cutting Harty saves us $3.9M. Cutting Poyer saves us $5.5M. Cutting Johnson saves us $7.7M. Cutting these players brings us down to $10M over the cap. We then have to replace those 4 starters too: Average starting CB: $6M ($5,388,889) Average starting S: $4M ($4,107,221) Average starting Center: $6.7M Average starting Nickel: $4.3M ($4,328,667) That's $21M in replacements for average players. There is no easy way out of this. This would be a terrible mistake IMO. The center is a pivotal part of the offensive line, both from calling out protections, to his relationship with the QB. Why does everyone always want to cut Pro Bowl center and beloved team leader Mitch Morse??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Bruffalo said: This is wrong but my first thought is "Does he have a morality clause in his contract we can leverage?" EDIT: Just in case this needs to be said. Abusing anyone is wrong, but especially a loved one. It's horrific behavior that creates generational trauma. I'm not saying Miller is guilty, just that the act of domestic abuse is disgusting. Sadly, mine too. The consideration should be with the unborn and with the alleged victim. But, were we to view this from a football perspective, and under the belief that there is a morality clause in Miller’s contract that could be affected by this issue, I’d note that I would await further opinion until the police report is published. At this point, anything is possible. It may have merit, it may not, it may be that it’s a “woman scorned” situation and she’s looking to jam him up over nothing, or there may be some legitimacy to this. I’ll add that, knowing a little bit about how things work in New York State, the fact that there seems to be some sort of police report and sworn information supporting the issuance of an arrest warrant (and the fact that the alleged perpetrator fled the scene) suggests that this might be more than a “woman scorned” scenario. As an aside, this is why the Bills hired someone like Terry Gilbride—a seasoned pro—as general counsel to replace the neophyte who previously graduated into that role. Edited November 30, 2023 by SectionC3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 NFL salary cap rules are insane. Next year, Von's dead cap hit is higher than the cap hit of keeping him on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Reminder that being accused isn't the same as being convicted, but by the same token accusations do go away for a few at times. Yeah, but one of them was a dick pic. Everyone with big weeners does that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Reminder that being accused isn't the same as being convicted, but by the same token accusations do go away for a fee at times. i said when he was signed he was too risky. the chickens always come home to roost. we are caught with the rotten eggs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Yeah, but one of them was a dick pic. Everyone with big weeners does that ....and so does Brett Favre. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah, bad decisions is part of the organizational issues that were mentioned. We are currently $42M over the cap going into 2024. Cutting White saves us $6M. Cutting Morse saves us $8.5M. Cutting Harty saves us $3.9M. Cutting Poyer saves us $5.5M. Cutting Johnson saves us $7.7M. Cutting these players brings us down to $10M over the cap. We then have to replace those 4 starters too: Average starting CB: $6M ($5,388,889) Average starting S: $4M ($4,107,221) Average starting Center: $6.7M Average starting Nickel: $4.3M ($4,328,667) That's $21M in replacements for average players. There is no easy way out of this. This would be a terrible mistake IMO. The center is a pivotal part of the offensive line, both from calling out protections, to his relationship with the QB. I read somewhere we were projected to be $29M over, no? Either way, we will likely restructure Douglas. There’s CB1. Benford is CB2. Elam can be penciled in as CB3. Why are we signing all these players at market rates? Draft a nickel corner. Draft a Safety. Get younger. Invest in the DL by backloading contracts for Jones, Epenesa and/or Floyd for when the cap clears up and we’re out of this mess … as that’s the best protection we can provide to a youth infused secondary. If we keep Morse, that’s bringing back one of the top OL’s in the league. Upgrade at WR via the Draft and this will be one of the best Offenses on paper in the NFL.. by far. Elite OL. Elite QB. Elite weapons. We get Milano back to pair with Bernard. Williams is in Year 2. We have our starting outside corners under contract. Get. Younger. On. Defense. There will be a weakness on Defense - likely at Safety and in depth. It is what it is. If McDermott is still here .. he needs to figure it out. Or we can keep playing cap games so we have a no-holes roster full of aging vets on defense. Rip the band-aid off and outscore people. Edited November 30, 2023 by SCBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said: Eff this guy. Put him in a rocket and shoot him to the moon. Assaulting a pregnant woman? Zero Tolerance. He should be cut by the end of the day and you eat the cap number, make a statement that it is not tolerated and move on. To bad the bills didn't claim derek barnett last week before houston did. It seemed to work out fine for Tyreek. NFL keeps the camera on him every chance they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm -rf /* Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Innocent until proven guilty ffs. Surely everyone has learned from calling for Araiza's head immediately and the Bills for caving to it and releasing him. We could have used him this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Low Positive said: NFL salary cap rules are insane. Next year, Von's dead cap hit is higher than the cap hit of keeping him on the roster. That's true for about a dozen Bills players. It's the norm for the early years of any large contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 This was probably the worst contract in the nfl. Much worse now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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