Italian Bills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Hi guys. Honestly, for you, what the odds that we’ll finally start with a new (young maybe) HC and a new DC (i’ll keep Brady as OC for what i saw till now if he keeps it going) if we miss the playoffs like probably will be ? I say almost zero, because McClappy is humble, honest, a good guy and on and on and on… McClappy and his trust the process. Why can’t we have someone young and offensive minded like LaFleur, Tomlin, McVay ? 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 One can only pray... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I will select another scapegoat at the end of the season... Could be anyone.... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Tomlin ain’t that young or that offensive minded… 5 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, Alpo Chino said: Tomlin ain’t that young or that offensive minded… He wins most of his close games unlike McDermott. He is doing it with Pickett as his QB. It seems like every week the Steelers are trailing most of the day in some low scoring game. Then the offense puts one drive together and they pull out the win. Not the Browns game but most of them. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Just now, Gregg said: He wins most of his close games unlike McDermott. He is doing it with Pickett as his QB. It seems like every week the Steelers are trailing most of the day in some low scoring game. Then the offense puts one drive together and they pull out the win. Not the Browns game but most of them. He’s a good coach for sure. Not questioning that. Just saying he’s not that young or offensive minded like the OP said. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 31 minutes ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said: I will select another scapegoat at the end of the season... Could be anyone.... Could be YOU! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Bills Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: One can only pray... Really… 😅 1 hour ago, Alpo Chino said: Tomlin ain’t that young or that offensive minded… Well if he was available, would you get him or retain MacClappy ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Hi guys. Honestly, for you, what the odds that we’ll finally start with a new (young maybe) HC and a new DC (i’ll keep Brady as OC for what i saw till now if he keeps it going) if we miss the playoffs like probably will be ? I say almost zero, because McClappy is humble, honest, a good guy and on and on and on… McClappy and his trust the process. Why can’t we have someone young and offensive minded like LaFleur, Tomlin, McVay ? and yet... they people you mention are struggling as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 We definitely needed another thread to ask this question, that much is clear... 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 25 minutes ago, Heitz said: We definitely needed another thread to ask this question, that much is clear... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Gregg said: He wins most of his close games unlike McDermott. He is doing it with Pickett as his QB. It seems like every week the Steelers are trailing most of the day in some low scoring game. Then the offense puts one drive together and they pull out the win. Not the Browns game but most of them. 3 playoff wins since 2010. Missed playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years - and bounced immediately both seasons that they did make it. Negative point differential for 4 of 5 seasons. They have the fewest turnovers on offense, and they're among the leaders in takeaways. Kicker is 21/22. But they're 26th in yards and 25th in yards allowed. They'll probably sneak into the playoffs... and probably lose in the first round. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 The coaching staff could be different, the roster might be different. It's hard to say as until we know what we'll have it's hard to predict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian Bills Posted November 28, 2023 Author Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Heitz said: We definitely needed another thread to ask this question, that much is clear... Don’t remember another thread like this one, maybe similar, but not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gregg said: He wins most of his close games unlike McDermott. He is doing it with Pickett as his QB. It seems like every week the Steelers are trailing most of the day in some low scoring game. Then the offense puts one drive together and they pull out the win. Not the Browns game but most of them. To your point, Tomlin is actually one of the best to win in 1 score games. Over the last 3 years his record is 21-8-1 in one score games. However, as I said he's one of the best and not the norm. Found this tweet for more of a baseline in regards to how Tomlin is vs McDermott Edited November 28, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 McD’s message is stale. He’s done after the season. Get a new coach in next year and hopefully things will fall in place for year ‘25/‘26 season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 47 minutes ago, Italian Bills said: Don’t remember another thread like this one, maybe similar, but not the same. Literally every thread is this thread! 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Gregg said: He wins most of his close games unlike McDermott. He is doing it with Pickett as his QB. It seems like every week the Steelers are trailing most of the day in some low scoring game. Then the offense puts one drive together and they pull out the win. Not the Browns game but most of them. Tomlin was always worlds better than his William & Mary buddy. He always fielded defenses that were capable of 4th quarter stops. Other than Taron's pic6 and Milano's int v KC, name me 1 big defensive stop his team has made since 2019......crickets 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PastaJoe Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I don’t see McDermott going anywhere as long as Beane is GM. Pegula would have to give him an ultimatum, and Beane would either resign or also be fired. Pegula will likely justify keeping them for another year based on injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: To your point, Tomlin is actually one of the best to win in 1 score games. Over the last 3 years his record is 21-8-1 in one score games. However, as I said he's one of the best and not the norm. Found this tweet for more of a baseline in regards to how Tomlin is vs McDermott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 These games to me are Joe Brady’s interview. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Hi guys. Honestly, for you, what the odds that we’ll finally start with a new (young maybe) HC and a new DC (i’ll keep Brady as OC for what i saw till now if he keeps it going) if we miss the playoffs like probably will be ? I say almost zero, because McClappy is humble, honest, a good guy and on and on and on… McClappy and his trust the process. Why can’t we have someone young and offensive minded like LaFleur, Tomlin, McVay ? Ma Che Cazzo dici? fyi Tomlin and MCClappy are the same age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 I think each and every year another chunk of the staff should be fired for the next decade until it's only Beane and McDermott left and they have a PPV cage fight match to see who stays. Russ Brandon can take care of the marketing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said: To your point, Tomlin is actually one of the best to win in 1 score games. Over the last 3 years his record is 21-8-1 in one score games. However, as I said he's one of the best and not the norm. Found this tweet for more of a baseline in regards to how Tomlin is vs McDermott Good coaches dont let bad teams hang around to allow close games How in the heck did we have one score games w Jets/Pats/Broncos/Bucs/Giants 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 From the Reddit, FWIW: _________________ Currently the two most winningest head coaches ever fired in NFL history are: 2. Marty Schottenheimer from the 2006 Chargers. Career 47-33, 0.588 1. Tony Dungy from the 2001 Buccaneers. Career 54-36, 0.600 Sean McDermott is now career 68-41, 0.624, including being 6-6 at the moment. Firing him now would set the NFL record for most winningest HC ever fired. ______________ Not that he's going to get fired regardless, but food for thought. BTW, I'm just fine if we move on at EOY, for the record... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Italian Bills said: Hi guys. Honestly, for you, what the odds that we’ll finally start with a new (young maybe) HC and a new DC (i’ll keep Brady as OC for what i saw till now if he keeps it going) if we miss the playoffs like probably will be ? I say almost zero, because McClappy is humble, honest, a good guy and on and on and on… McClappy and his trust the process. Why can’t we have someone young and offensive minded like LaFleur, Tomlin, McVay ? lol. You said Tomlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 The testament about a good coach who can’t win the big ones applies here. McDermott’s overtime record and playoff road record speaks more than his overall winning percentage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Heitz said: From the Reddit, FWIW: _________________ Currently the two most winningest head coaches ever fired in NFL history are: 2. Marty Schottenheimer from the 2006 Chargers. Career 47-33, 0.588 1. Tony Dungy from the 2001 Buccaneers. Career 54-36, 0.600 Sean McDermott is now career 68-41, 0.624, including being 6-6 at the moment. Firing him now would set the NFL record for most winningest HC ever fired. ______________ Not that he's going to get fired regardless, but food for thought. BTW, I'm just fine if we move on at EOY, for the record... Don't forget David Blatt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobilz Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 7 hours ago, Heitz said: We definitely needed another thread to ask this question, that much is clear... ok boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 I'm less concerned about McDermott than I am about the roster particularly on defense. It was built to win a couple of years ago and now has key pieces a little too old (Dr Poyer and Mr Hyde), injured and a little too old (Tre White), injured (Milano and Jones, and frankly Miller but it's not Miller time anymore). The Bills have made huge investments in their D and yet are going to have to rebuild a lot next year. The Miller contract, and not the Josh Allen contract, is the problem for a rebuild. This all does come down to McDermott's shortcomings. The 13 seconds debacle was on him, but with a closer on the D line it wouldn't have come to that. So to deflect attention from his failure, McDermott got Beane to break his own rule about not busting his long-term budget, and now the team is behind the 8 ball, with too many holes to fill and not enough cash to do it. I do continue to think poorly of McDermott for his lack of accountability and leadership when things go wrong. He just needs to take the blame when something is his fault, or even when it's not his fault. This is costing him with the players. As I've said before, players won't respect the man as a coach, if they don't respect the coach as a man. McD is apparently a great guy, caring about his players, etc etc etc, but he still needs to get out in front and take the shots and brickbats when criticism flows. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Just be prepared to be disappointed because he will be here next season 100%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) So been thinking about this: 2024 for sure: Home: Jaguars Cardinals Niners Titans Away: Texans Colts Rams Seahawks As of now: Denver @ Steelers @ Vikings If we win the East then KC comes to us. If Miami wins the East then KC to Miami. Wanna bet they send them in the heat? Edited December 2, 2023 by boyst 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 It's up to Terry. If we fail to hire Ben Johnson, I think this team will regret it for a very long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I think the odds are greater that Joe Brady gets some coaching interviews after next season than Pegula firing McD. Also, we might all want to keep Brady if there is a new HC but HC's typically bring their own guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 12:52 PM, Bleeding Bills Blue said: 3 playoff wins since 2010. Missed playoffs in 3 of the last 5 years - and bounced immediately both seasons that they did make it. Negative point differential for 4 of 5 seasons. They have the fewest turnovers on offense, and they're among the leaders in takeaways. Kicker is 21/22. But they're 26th in yards and 25th in yards allowed. They'll probably sneak into the playoffs... and probably lose in the first round. Not that we should talk 😂 but I think tomlin is wading into overrated territory. We’ve been saying he’s doing a good job with no talent for years now but they’ve actually got talent now and they sure make it look like they don’t lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 McDermott served his purpose stabilizing the the franchise from almost 2 decades of disaster but it’s time to move on and start winning big games that matter. McDermott isn’t that guy. He’s a mediocre coach and a good culture guy. Unfortunately culture doesn’t win championships, good coaching and good players do. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 3:07 PM, PastaJoe said: I don’t see McDermott going anywhere as long as Beane is GM. Pegula would have to give him an ultimatum, and Beane would either resign or also be fired. Pegula will likely justify keeping them for another year based on injuries. McD and Beane both report to Terry last I knew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) There’s no chance McDermott gets fired unless there’s a non football related incident. Which you can’t ever completely rule out but still. I just want a new DC. Not a McDermott puppet. A guy with a totally different scheme and mindset. Could be a younger guy but it doesn’t have to be. I just want a new voice in the room and a different thought process on the way we play Defense. I’m tired of the zone, I’m tired of the predictable plan. I want an aggressive DC that will change up looks and make QBs uncomfortable. Edited December 2, 2023 by Brianmoorman4jesus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) On 11/28/2023 at 5:04 PM, SoonerBillsFan said: One can only pray... OP lives in Italy and presumably close enough to the Vatican to put in a good word. Edited December 2, 2023 by Dan Darragh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 First I have heard of this brilliant idea. Are you an idea guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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