Raiders fired HC Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

The Raiders are the Raiders, I recommend Rex Ryan & his brother.

I mean, why not? It's the Raiders 

 

Vegas IS known for great buffets. This could be a nice fit. 

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said:

Ladies and gentlemen your new Patriots Offensive Coordinator! 

 

If there's one guy who may be more of a cannibal than Josh McDaniels, that guy would be Bill O'Brien.

 

But then again, this is Belicheck we're talking about so...

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Carr is definitely not “absolutely terrible.” He’s very slightly above league average who can get a team to the playoffs if the stars align. He’s done it twice and will probably do it again this year because NO is the best team in a bad NFC south.

I have been saying this and thinking this for years and

nothing anyone I’d going to say is going to change my mind. He absolutely is terrible IMO and Jimmy G is better. I don’t actually think it’s close. I think the saints are incredibly talented and Carr is holding them back from being real contenders 

[WhoTom]

2 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

Another poor millionaire out of work

Time to sell off the third vacation home 

 

Out of work but still getting full pay. No need to sell any vacation property. In fact, more time to spend there.

 

 

[dave mcbride]

11 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I have been saying this and thinking this for years and

nothing anyone I’d going to say is going to change my mind. He absolutely is terrible IMO and Jimmy G is better. I don’t actually think it’s close. I think the saints are incredibly talented and Carr is holding them back from being real contenders 

I think you're alone in that position (thinking Jimmy G is better than Carr), but that's OK.

[BADOLBILZ]

26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

I think you're alone in that position (thinking Jimmy G is better than Carr), but that's OK.

 

Jimmy G looked invincible when he was on the field for a few years and some folks REALLY bought into "Jimmy just wins".     It was largely him playing for teams that were near the top of the league and him fitting into those systems.   And he was probably a better fit for what NE and SF were doing at the time (when he was healthier)...........but I agree Carr is the better QB overall.   An aspect of that is durability as well.   Carr is tough and pretty durable and stands in and takes shots and gets big plays made as a result.   Jimmy G is a fragile check down specialist at this point.   Just a stroke of misfortune that the situations played out in last couple weeks like they did in Las Vegas and TN and the Bills didn't manage to get Adams or Hopkins.

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, 716 said:

In no world is Jimmy G. a better QB then Carr, who I don't think very highly of either. Carr suffered through some of the worst defenses in the NFL. Jimmy G. was propped up by surrounding talent, similar to Brock Purdy. Didn't he win the NFC Championship game throwing like 9 passes?

Well he wins, and QBs always get more credit than they deserve for that as we all know. He also has been to 2 NFCCG and is 1-1 in them. Carr never even smelled the playoffs so most people say JimmyG is better. Again his issue is he is made of glass. Heck before he went to Vegas his record was 51-18 as a starter with 2 NFC G appearances and 1 SB appearance. He has a 97.7 QBR and almost a 2-1 TD to INT ratio. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Jimmy G is a fragile check down specialist at this point.  

I told him not to date Kiara Mia...🤔

 

[Fleezoid]

There are several excellent Head Coaches that have had incredible coaching trees. Then there's Bill Bellicheck. His tree bears rotten fruit. 

[Bookie Man]

Do you guys remember when he first left NE and started off 6-0 for Denver? Then he got busted planting bugs in the opponents locker room. Then went on to only win 2 more games that season. I wonder where he learned that 🤔. And then you have the drones. And then you have the spies taking pictures. And then you have deflate gate. How many of of the Pats rings were won because of cheating? Basically ALL? I feel like this should be opened back up and the organization should be stripped of something. 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Alpo Chino

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

I don’t know he got the Pats to the playoffs with Mac Jones. That’s some sort of miracle right there.. 

Nope! But he will be back, because he is cheap and will be BB personal assistant.. or some other dumb name.. 

 

Did he though?  Or is BB the reason the Pats got to the playoffs and McDaniels was just along for the ride?

[Captain Hindsight]

20 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I have been saying this and thinking this for years and

nothing anyone I’d going to say is going to change my mind. He absolutely is terrible IMO and Jimmy G is better. I don’t actually think it’s close. I think the saints are incredibly talented and Carr is holding them back from being real contenders 

I would take Carr over Jimmy. Jimmy is a game manager who has been winning games on a loaded SF team that nearly won the Super Bowl last year with Mr. Irrelevant. Carr is similar to Cousins. He isnt the first name people think of as a good QB, but most teams would be really happy to have him.

 

49ers tried desperately to trade Jimmy last year and had no offers. I think that said a lot about how the league viewed him. Even the 49ers, who made multiple title games and a SB with him, tried to move one and traded 3 1's to get Lance

[Draconator]

 

[Captain Hindsight]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Did he though?  Or is BB the reason the Pats got to the playoffs and McDaniels was just along for the ride?

They won 7 games the year prior with Cam Newton who couldn't even throw the ball. It was Bill and a pretty good defense that got them there. Mac was fine and had some nice moments, but no one, other than the media calling him the next Brady, thought Mac was anything special 

[hondo in seattle]

12 minutes ago, Fleezoid said:

There are several excellent Head Coaches that have had incredible coaching trees. Then there's Bill Bellicheck. His tree bears rotten fruit. 

 

True but maybe he's not a good talent evaluator when it comes to coordinators.  Belichick has run some good offenses and defenses with OCs and DCs that failed once they left Boston.  Maybe he propped them up and helped them perform beyond their level.   It could be a case of good teacher/bad students.  

[mannc]

7 minutes ago, Draconator said:

 

Mike’s son, I think

[Low Positive]

Feels like Devonte Adams is the defacto GM right now in Vegas.

[Brand J]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

Vegas IS known for great buffets. This could be a nice fit. 

Used to be. They’re much fewer now post pandemic.

[Low Positive]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

Used to be. They’re much fewer now post pandemic.

It even started going away before the Pandemic. Vegas used to to be the place of cheap rooms, cheap buffets and prime rib, and free drinks. They made  it back and then some at the blackjack tables. Now, it's all luxury hotels, high-end nightclubs, and $300 tomahawk steaks.  I guess that's what happens when you can gamble in almost any city in the United States.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

4 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Feels like Devonte Adams is the defacto GM right now in Vegas.

I was gonna say, this sounds like someone is listening to Adam's 

 

Which in my opinion is the right move 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

I think you're alone in that position (thinking Jimmy G is better than Carr), but that's OK.

 

Well.....Josh McDaniel thought so, clearly, but how did that work out for him?

 

Carr has that "best ability is Avail-ability" thing all over Garoppolo, for one thing. 

 

Garoppolo has had 2 good seasons where he played 15 or more games, out of 6 seasons.  He played most of that time in, what I see as a very QB-friendly system under Shanahan and with offensive assistants who have been in high demand elsewhere (LaFleur, McDaniel).

 

He's now his 7th season as a starter.  Irrespective of talent and execution, 2 out of 6 seasons where he was available for most of the games is not a winning strategy for the team that looks to him as The Man.

 

Edited November 1, 2023 by Beck Water

[Chicken Boo]

Marvin Lewis is the kind of coach the Raiders need.  

[The Wiz]

 

[dave mcbride]

35 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Well.....Josh McDaniel thought so, clearly, but how did that work out for him?

 

Carr has that "best ability is Avail-ability" thing all over Garoppolo, for one thing. 

 

Garoppolo has had 2 good seasons where he played 15 or more games, out of 6 seasons.  He played most of that time in, what I see as a very QB-friendly system under Shanahan and with offensive assistants who have been in high demand elsewhere (LaFleur, McDaniel).

 

He's now his 7th season as a starter.  Irrespective of talent and execution, 2 out of 6 seasons where he was available for most of the games is not a winning strategy for the team that looks to him as The Man.

 

He seems to be in physical decline, though. Whatever mobility he once had -- and he had some -- seems to have disappeared. He's not the same guy. Carr pretty much is.

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Well he wins, and QBs always get more credit than they deserve for that as we all know. He also has been to 2 NFCCG and is 1-1 in them. Carr never even smelled the playoffs so most people say JimmyG is better. Again his issue is he is made of glass. Heck before he went to Vegas his record was 51-18 as a starter with 2 NFC G appearances and 1 SB appearance. He has a 97.7 QBR and almost a 2-1 TD to INT ratio. 

Carr has gotten two teams to the playoffs!

[GunnerBill]

They have benched Jimmy. They are now tanking. That is the right decision given where they are. 

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

They have benched Jimmy. They are now tanking. That is the right decision given where they are. 

 

Dang, too bad they didn't make this decision before the trade deadline

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Dang, too bad they didn't make this decision before the trade deadline

Right? They even botched the coach firing. As if getting killed by "Secret Bagent Man" and the Bears wasn't reason enough to do this. But you can buy your Devonte Adams Jets jersey. That is as good as a done deal. 

[BillStime]

Boston media wants Josh back... lmao

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

Boston media wants Josh back... lmao

Can an unpaid intern act as a shadow OC?

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

Can an unpaid intern act as a shadow OC?

 

Basically what they did with Matt Patricia

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Fleezoid said:

There are several excellent Head Coaches that have had incredible coaching trees. Then there's Bill Bellicheck. His tree bears rotten fruit. 

"As ye sow, so shall ye reap"

–Charlton Heston, 'Planet of the Apes'.

*
😇

[Paup 1995MVP]

11 hours ago, BillsfaninChicago said:

Ladies and gentlemen your new Patriots Offensive Coordinator! 

Nothing more original then that?  The guy couldn't coach a winning season in pee wee football.

 

But what about Jimmy G.  He looks awful immobile scared and disinterested.  The guy has become an NFL scrub.  Sit his ass on the bench.  

[BRH]

And another rotting branch snaps off the Bill Belichick coaching "tree."

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Tonight's Hallmark Channel movie:

Will Josh return in time for (Murican) Thanksgiving dinner with the coaching family he spurned years before? 🦃

[PBF81]

34 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Boston media wants Josh back... lmao

 

Grasping at straws time in Boston.  

 

 

[Low Positive]

Saw this on a Raider message board

[Riverboat Ritchie]

Did Davis really fire him with a fortune cookie note?  That has to be made up but this is the Raiders. 

[Scott7975]

7 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Derek Carr is absolutely terrible. That is not the issue in LV. The coach was one of the biggest issues, that’s over now. I’m not saying the guy they replaced McDaniels with is any good, how can I know but McDaniels is clueless. The Raiders have some players and they wasted way too many years with Carr there. Jimmy G isn’t spectacular but he’s very solid. Let a coach that understands NFL protection and scheme get a hold of that team and they can be pretty good. They got a lot better today big picture wise.

Carr is absolutely terrible and Jimmy G is very solid?  I think someone spiked your candy yesterday.

[hondo in seattle]

NFL head coaches from the Belichick tree...

 

10. Joe Judge

NFL head coaching jobs: Giants (2020-2021)
Career record: 10-23

A longtime special teams coordinator under Belichick in New England, Judge brought bravado to his press conferences, but it didn't translate. The bar was set low after dismal two-year stints with Ben McAdoo and Pat Shurmur, but his teams -- despite occasionally feisty defenses -- never materialized on offense and threw in the towel late.

 

9. Matt Patricia

NFL head coaching jobs: Lions (2018-2020)
Career record: 13-29-1

The bearded wonder helped Bill win three Super Bowls as the Patriots' defensive coordinator, but he was largely disagreeable in Detroit, guiding some scrappy upsets -- including over Belichick's Pats in 2018 -- but ultimately expediting the future relocation of big names like Matthew Stafford and Darius Slay while failing to sniff the playoffs.

 

8. Josh McDaniels

NFL head coaching jobs: Broncos (2009-2010), Raiders (2022-2023)
Career record: 20-33

The longtime offensive coordinator was ousted quickly by two different franchises. Controversy followed him, from a reported dispute with ex-Broncos QB Jay Cutler, who left Denver before McDaniels coached a game; to a videotaping scandal that prompted NFL fines. He's proven capable of designing an offense while in New England, but his redemption tour with the Raiders was quickly undone by an overreliance on aging, battered friends from his Patriots days.

 

7. Romeo Crennel

NFL head coaching jobs: Browns (2005-2008), Chiefs (2011-2012)*, Texans (2020)*
Career record: 32-63

The longtime defensive coordinator is respected and well-liked, hence his repeat role as an interim for failed regimes. But in roughly six seasons of combined experience running the ship, he managed just one winning season and zero playoff bids.

Note: * = Crennel was an interim coach for 15 of his 32 games with the Chiefs and Texans.

 

6. Eric Mangini

NFL head coaching jobs: Jets (2006-2008), Browns (2009-2010)
Career record: 33-47 (0-1 playoffs)

A defensive assistant under Belichick with both the Jets and Patriots, Mangini started hot, finishing 10-6 and guiding Chad Pennington to Comeback Player of the Year honors in his debut, only to fall to Belichick's Pats in the first round of the playoffs. He never recovered, going 19-29 for the remainder of his career, which included a reportedly alienated locker room in Cleveland.

 

5. Brian Daboll

NFL head coaching jobs: Giants (2022-present)
Career record: 11-13-1 (1-1 playoffs)

Daboll held three different positions in two different stints under Belichick before taking off at Alabama and as the Bills' OC, then rejuvenating the careers of Daniel Jones and Saquon Barkley to guide a scrappy Giants team to a road playoff win in his HC debut. He quickly fell back to Earth in Year 2, however, as he's failed to overcome a shoddy O-line with curious situational decision-making.

 

4. Al Groh

NFL head coaching jobs: Jets (2000)
Career record: 9-7

You can't tarnish a legacy that barely exists! Groh, of course, is best known for his long run as Virginia's coach, and a champion Giants assistant, but he spent just one year on the sidelines in New York before resigning to return to college. He at least paved the way for Herm Edwards' tenure -- a five-year run that included three playoff berths and two postseason wins.

 

3. Nick Saban

NFL head coaching jobs: Dolphins (2005-2006)
Career record: 15-17

A defensive coordinator under Belichick with the Browns, Saban would obviously rank No. 1 if we were including college achievements; he's the NCAA Belichick running the powerhouse that is Alabama. In Miami, he was just mediocre, which is more than most of these guys can say. His broken promise to stick with the Dolphins rather than bolt for the Crimson Tide will always be part of his NFL "legacy," however.

 

2. Brian Flores

NFL head coaching jobs: Dolphins (2019-2021)
Career record: 24-25

Miscommunication seems to be the chief reason for his departure, with reported disagreements over key spots like QB -- where he tried but failed to acquire Deshaun Watson and/or ride a combo of Tua Tagovailoa and Ryan Fitzpatrick to the playoffs. His teams were also very streaky. Still, considering the barren rebuild he inherited, he always kept Miami in contention with a stout "D." And he might be on his way to another top job after bringing physicality to a makeshift Vikings defense.

 

1. Bill O'Brien

NFL head coaching jobs: Texans (2014-2020)
Career record: 52-48 (2-4 playoffs)

O'Brien helped leave the Texans in their recent state of ruin, seizing personnel power and even an official general manager title while shipping Pro Bowl stars like DeAndre Hopkins and Laremy Tunsil out of town. But he at least brought toughness and respect to an organization long mired in mediocrity, guiding four playoff runs and two 10-win finishes in just over six seasons.

 

 

www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/raiders-fire-josh-mcdaniels-ranking-all-the-nfl-head-coaches-from-bill-belichicks-coaching-tree/

[Scott7975]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Well he wins, and QBs always get more credit than they deserve for that as we all know. He also has been to 2 NFCCG and is 1-1 in them. Carr never even smelled the playoffs so most people say JimmyG is better. Again his issue is he is made of glass. Heck before he went to Vegas his record was 51-18 as a starter with 2 NFC G appearances and 1 SB appearance. He has a 97.7 QBR and almost a 2-1 TD to INT ratio. 

 

He is nothing but a game manager.  Hopefully your team tries to get him back instead of drafting another QB and they stay at the bottom of the division that much longer.