Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Clearly, with the middle of the defense being decimated, it seems like a priority to get some linebacker talent in here asap, to keep the defense together otherwise this is becoming a monumental problem. when your 200 lb vet safety is playing linebacker in a reg season game, there are personnel issues that aren’t getting solved by the current roster. so to all the maine sux, easily replaced… here we are. Now what? We need a linebacker or two. Any thoughts or ideas? obvi Kirksey hanging it up stinks, he’d help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Klein is overlooked by everyone. He should play, at least as a run defender and situational blitzer he’s shown himself to be violent. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 They had a plan to replace Edmunds and it seemed to be working …It’s now Milano they are struggling to replace … Add him to the list … 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 We need more DTs any All Pro 1 Tech’s on the trade market? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Who Just now, Aussie Joe said: They had a plan to replace Edmunds and it seemed to be working …It’s now Milano they are struggling to replace … Add him to the list … It did till it didn’t. I had a sneaking suspicion Belichick would expose this safety sized linebacker thing. I heard a talking head suggest a huge number of pats completions attacked the LBs and nickel with wild success Oh and Dorian was benched 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Who It did till it didn’t. I had a sneaking suspicion Belichick would expose this safety sized linebacker thing. I heard a talking head suggest a huge number of pats completions attacked the LBs and nickel with wild success Oh and Dorian was benched None of that changes what I said .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 46 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Clearly, with the middle of the defense being decimated, it seems like a priority to get some linebacker talent in here asap, to keep the defense together otherwise this is becoming a monumental problem. when your 200 lb vet safety is playing linebacker in a reg season game, there are personnel issues that aren’t getting solved by the current roster. so to all the maine sux, easily replaced… here we are. Now what? We need a linebacker or two. Any thoughts or ideas? obvi Kirksey hanging it up stinks, he’d help. Maine and Kirksey are MLB's. Bernard isn't the problem back there. It's Dorian Williams and Tyrel Dodson at OLB that's the real problem. Neither Maine nor Kirksey are fixing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Klein is overlooked by everyone. He should play, at least as a run defender and situational blitzer he’s shown himself to be violent. In middle of defense he would help especially on run defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: We need more DTs any All Pro 1 Tech’s on the trade market? Suh is a free agent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: We need more DTs any All Pro 1 Tech’s on the trade market? Yep. Good luck finding any linebacker who can hold up when guards are getting to him untouched consistently. The defensive tackle play Sunday was as bad as you will see anywhere. 3 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Good luck finding any linebacker who can hold up when guards are getting to him untouched consistently. The defensive tackle play Sunday was as bad as you will see anywhere. Yes if they can find suitable 1T come the trade deadline they should jump on it. Our LBs will be better as a result. I am less worried about the linebacking group which I think you can get by with. DT and CB on defense and WR on offense are the positions I would be focusing on. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Good luck finding any linebacker who can hold up when guards are getting to him untouched consistently. The defensive tackle play Sunday was as bad as you will see anywhere. Down to back ups there too. It was stated somewhere Tampa has an excellent o line, so more to come? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Disagree, Bernard has been great and Williams has shown promise, Settle, Phillips, and Ford just cannot get it done in the middle at 1T (other than just spelling someone) which is causing major issues. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 6 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: Suh is a free agent he said all-pro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigvinny Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Report out that the Bills have been calling around for LB help, called the Niners for Greenlaw but they said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Disagree, Bernard has been great and Williams has shown promise, Settle, Phillips, and Ford just cannot get it done in the middle at 1T (other than just spelling someone) which is causing major issues. I don't like the benching of Williams. Let him play through the mistakes because his talent and ability to make splash plays far out weights whatever Dodson brings to the table. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Bigvinny said: Report out that the Bills have been calling around for LB help, called the Niners for Greenlaw but they said no. It’s not a report, it is an unsourced Twitter rumor from a random person. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigvinny Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: It’s not a report, it is an unsourced Twitter rumor from a random person. Dang, didn't realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 17 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I don't like the benching of Williams. Let him play through the mistakes because his talent and ability to make splash plays far out weights whatever Dodson brings to the table. It sucks, but it makes sense. The healthy DTs in that game struggled badly, letting OL get to the LBers to neutralize them. Dodson is better at disengaging and is further along in the mental game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 5 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Good luck finding any linebacker who can hold up when guards are getting to him untouched consistently. The defensive tackle play Sunday was as bad as you will see anywhere. Have those guys been bad all year? They're a part of the rotation and don't remember them being this bad when Oliver and Jones were healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Down to back ups there too. It was stated somewhere Tampa has an excellent o line, so more to come? I expect so. The DT position is a much bigger concern to me. Hopefully we get Ed back Thursday. I can see them going to their 2020 no Star plan though where Ed ends up sacrificing himself and playing 1T on early downs to try and slow the run game because the other options suck so bad. 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Have those guys been bad all year? They're a part of the rotation and don't remember them being this bad when Oliver and Jones were healthy. Settle and Ford yes. I think Jordan is okay as a rotational 3T when Ed is playing 70% of the snaps and he only has to play 30 as was the case week 1 and week 4 and until the Raiders and Commanders games were safe. But he is overpaid for that purpose. There was one drive against the Commanders where they moved the ball on us into the high redzone against Settle and Phillips. The first play the Bills put Ed and Jones back in Howell felt pressure and threw a pick. The dropoff has been noticeable all year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I expect so. The DT position is a much bigger concern to me. Hopefully we get Ed back Thursday. I can see them going to their 2020 no Star plan though where Ed ends up sacrificing himself and playing 1T on early downs to try and slow the run game because the other options suck so bad. Settle and Ford yes. I think Jordan is okay as a rotational 3T when Ed is playing 70% of the snaps and he only has to play 30 as was the case week 1 and week 4 and until the Raiders and Commanders games were safe. But he is overpaid for that purpose. There was one drive against the Commanders where they moved the ball on us into the high redzone against Settle and Phillips. The first play the Bills put Ed and Jones back in Howell felt pressure and threw a pick. The dropoff has been noticeable all year. So we should expect at least 2 more DT's signed in the offseason....and maybe an early draft pick next spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Get ready for every Bills opponent to follow Belichick's lead, and attack the deficiency in the middle of the Bils D. It's arguable about which defensive player's injury has hurt the worst, but I keep coming back to Milano. I hope that guy gets back to playing the way he was early this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 12 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Clearly, with the middle of the defense being decimated, it seems like a priority to get some linebacker talent in here asap, to keep the defense together otherwise this is becoming a monumental problem. when your 200 lb vet safety is playing linebacker in a reg season game, there are personnel issues that aren’t getting solved by the current roster. so to all the maine sux, easily replaced… here we are. Now what? We need a linebacker or two. Any thoughts or ideas? obvi Kirksey hanging it up stinks, he’d help. Being of the Beane era i wonder if they have reached out to Kirksey at all just to plead their case in needing him at this point and time i'd say given the time he had in OTA's & all before he left he may be a welcome sight on the field but if his heart isn't in it they may be better off with out him if he's just taking up a roster spot . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: So we should expect at least 2 more DT's signed in the offseason....and maybe an early draft pick next spring. 1T players usually don't go super high in the draft. There are notable exceptions (Poe, Vea, Ngata), but usually a 1T going in the first is because he's got some elite quickness, hands, or pass rushing ability. Looking at our team needs, depth etc. WR is up there, but doesn't necessarily require a 1st round pick. WR - Davis will get paid, and i don't see us being the payer RT - Room for improvement here and it has definitely been the weakest position on offense this season DT - No depth under contract behind oliver in our rotation NT - DQ is a free agent - love to bring him back. Need to get younger here DE - Will be down to Groot and Von. I think Von will be able to sway a free agent to sign here though S - Free agent Hyde, and Poyer is on an expiring deal. Poyer can free up cash if released, but my assumption is we guarantee the deal and push the hit so we have some level of continuity back there. Tre is back - as are all the other corners but Dane. With a surplus of picks (1,2,3,3,4,5,6,6,6,7) i expect we'll take at least 1 CB. Edited October 25, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Down to back ups there too. It was stated somewhere Tampa has an excellent o line, so more to come? Yeah, offense will need to step it up as Tampa will be scoring some points tomorrow night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Klien needs to be on the field as a run stopper. The RBs and OL are getting onto our smaller LBs way too easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CNYfan Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 8 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Good luck finding any linebacker who can hold up when guards are getting to him untouched consistently. The defensive tackle play Sunday was as bad as you will see anywhere. 93 was being pancaked on many plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 37 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: Yeah, offense will need to step it up as Tampa will be scoring some points tomorrow night. Taking the over for sure 29 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: Klien needs to be on the field as a run stopper. The RBs and OL are getting onto our smaller LBs way too easily. this might be the right band aid, even though we know he’s getting torched in passing game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, T master said: Being of the Beane era i wonder if they have reached out to Kirksey at all just to plead their case in needing him at this point and time i'd say given the time he had in OTA's & all before he left he may be a welcome sight on the field but if his heart isn't in it they may be better off with out him if he's just taking up a roster spot . It's worth a try.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: 1T players usually don't go super high in the draft. There are notable exceptions (Poe, Vea, Ngata), but usually a 1T going in the first is because he's got some elite quickness, hands, or pass rushing ability. Looking at our team needs, depth etc. WR is up there, but doesn't necessarily require a 1st round pick. WR - Davis will get paid, and i don't see us being the payer RT - Room for improvement here and it has definitely been the weakest position on offense this season DT - No depth under contract behind oliver in our rotation NT - DQ is a free agent - love to bring him back. Need to get younger here DE - Will be down to Groot and Von. I think Von will be able to sway a free agent to sign here though S - Free agent Hyde, and Poyer is on an expiring deal. Poyer can free up cash if released, but my assumption is we guarantee the deal and push the hit so we have some level of continuity back there. Tre is back - as are all the other corners but Dane. With a surplus of picks (1,2,3,3,4,5,6,6,6,7) i expect we'll take at least 1 CB. Let someone else pay Gabe Morse is older than the top 10 centers not named Kelce. Not sure what Bates' contract status is, think we need to use him or sayonara Agree on DT, and Ed O. is a smallish interior DL, already beat up after 6 games Have we given up on AJE at DE? Again Hyde and Poyer are the 5th and 6th oldest safeties in the league and are no longer top of the class Def need one or two better LB's; shudder if we have to play Klein for more than a snap or two. State of O-line play coming out of college is abysmal, and the Teller fiasco says front office doesn't have a clue what good is. Glad we have so much draft capital, hope Beane and Co use it wisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 53 minutes ago, CNYfan said: 93 was being pancaked on many plays. Yea in fairness to #93 he is a practice squad player. When you are down to those guys it normally shows up. The fact he has played major snaps in our last two defeata should not be ignored. But I expect better of Phillips, Ford and Settle. Those guys have all been starters in this league and are paid like high quality vet depth at least. When you are down to PS guys next to you and inexperienced 1st and 2nd year guys behind you then the vet guys who have been paid to show up have to put on their big boy pants and show up. And they didn't. They were pathetic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 They need to let Dorian Williams take his lumps. His upside is tremendous. and I just bought his F?!&ing jersey 😡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 14 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Who It did till it didn’t. I had a sneaking suspicion Belichick would expose this safety sized linebacker thing. I heard a talking head suggest a huge number of pats completions attacked the LBs and nickel with wild success Oh and Dorian was benched It’s the inside D tackles and losing an all pro linebacker. That is the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 4 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: It’s not a report, it is an unsourced Twitter rumor from a random person. Wake me at page 17... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Yep. Good luck finding any linebacker who can hold up when guards are getting to him untouched consistently. The defensive tackle play Sunday was as bad as you will see anywhere. Very true Gunner. Phillips, Settle, Ford and Vickers were trash. That's on Beane for filling the roster with crap. Have we even drafted a DT since Ed Oliver? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Get Kuechly in here ASAP!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 Just now, Dan Darragh said: Suh is a free agent they should at least bring him for a chat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 1 hour ago, RyanC883 said: Klien needs to be on the field as a run stopper. The RBs and OL are getting onto our smaller LBs way too easily. Klein is better then Dodson. He is not great in pass coverage. But he still moves better then Dodson who has as much lateral movement as a kiosk, is tough, can pass rush and lay the wood. I thought our D looked soft against the Pats. Milano brought the attitude and toughness for the defense, and he did it well. Poyer and Hyde try. But when the attitude is generated by your aging safeties in today's game, we have a problem. This is not the era of Ronnie Lott and Brian Dawkins laying people out. Klein can certainly help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It’s the inside D tackles and losing an all pro linebacker. That is the problem. Obviously… and lack of a legit replacement for Edmunds size speed and durability. I had a feeling the Milano injury was coming, this will be his third season missing major time in the past 7. Bernard & Milano plus very good tackle play seemed to start working, but I’m not sure they encountered excellent o line play to test it. And now, Bernard with anyone on the active roster now and poor tackle play is irrecoverable. Maybe Klein can help somehow, not sure. Dodson is a disappointment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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