st pete gogolak Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up? Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) It was egregious... 1) It was a forward pass 2) The man was 5 yards downfield(allowed to be 1 yard downfield) 3) It is irrelevant if the pass thrown is behind the line of scrimmage. This is the NFL, not High school. In the NFL that doesn't matter. That was a 100% penalty and was so bad the NFL could use that in their training videos for officials on what constitutes an illegal man downfield penalty. Edited October 24, 2023 by Big Turk 6 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 No and they need not. If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome. And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become. 6 5 1 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, st pete gogolak said: Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call. Honestly, it probably did determine the outcome. But the Bills still deserved the fate they got. 5 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 36 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: No and they need not. If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome. And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become. It can simultaneously be true that the Bills richly deserved to lose this game and also that the officials were wrong to pick up this flag. 14 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Suffering Fan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call. What made it so bad was not that it was missed. The flag was thrown. Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed. It was picked up. 4 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st pete gogolak Posted October 24, 2023 Author Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: What made it so bad was not that it was missed. The flag was thrown. Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed. It was picked up. Precisely. That’s why I was curious if NFL commented on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said: It can simultaneously be true that the Bills richly deserved to lose this game and also that the officials were wrong to pick up this flag. Why stop there? It can also be true that this is just part of the game. The SB was sealed on a legit but often not called pass interference........the Bills won Sunday with a controversial non-call ending the game. The hope is that you mostly keep yourself out of those situations and that when you do, you get the breaks. You string a bunch of them together.......the odds are you get burned. The Bills still had plenty of opportunity to keep NE out of the end zone. They failed. 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: What made it so bad was not that it was missed. The flag was thrown. Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed. It was picked up. THIS!!! I don't get it. There needs to be a league explanation here. If the flag was never thrown, maybe we would not have noticed. But it was thrown, and the replay so clear! The center was at least 5 yards downfield. He wasn't blocking anyone or near anyone tough, so is that the reason? I don't think so... but we need to know! What is this "Bills didn't deserve to win crap"? Both teams played the game, and there are rules in this game. The center didn't impact the play, but rules are rules. If the Cheats go back 5 yards instead of going forward 30 yards, that's a HUGE difference. Bills likely win. 6 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JÂy RÛßeÒ Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Just give it to 'em ring any bells? 6 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I'm guessing refs are told by the NFL to do their very best not to make calls in the final couple minutes of the game that can impact the outcome, especially if they believe the infraction didn't "materially" impact the play. So perhaps when the zebra's got together after the play, they did acknowledge that he was downfield but that it didn't impact the play, so they picked it up. I very much disagree with this, of course. A penalty should be a penalty whenever it happens. But that's my guess. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 27 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: What made it so bad was not that it was missed. The flag was thrown. Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed. It was picked up. I suppose the thought could be that the possible infraction had no bearing on the play given that the center did not actually block anyone. But that is not for the officials to decide. It smells of the NY office calling down to the field to tell the officials to pick the flag up so that Billy B. could get a shot at winning #300 at home. Not saying that is what happened, but sometimes perception is reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: What made it so bad was not that it was missed. The flag was thrown. Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed. It was picked up. Reminds me of the "Just give it to them" call against the Pats. 1 minute ago, 2003Contenders said: I suppose the thought could be that the possible infraction had no bearing on the play given that the center did not actually block anyone. But that is not for the officials to decide. It smells of the NY office calling down to the field to tell the officials to pick the flag up so that Billy B. could get a shot at winning #300 at home. Not saying that is what happened, but sometimes perception is reality. That has NO relevancy to the play. Whether he is blocking anyone or not, doesn't make it OK for him to be more than 1 yard downfield. It's still a penalty even if he is dancing by himself downfield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, Bferra13 said: Honestly, it probably did determine the outcome. But the Bills still deserved the fate they got. Not only that but Taron deserved a flag on Waller. When you need flags to barely beat bad teams, your season is already a mess. Try scoring more than 3 pts in the first half. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 23 minutes ago, Long Suffering Fan said: What made it so bad was not that it was missed. The flag was thrown. Calls get missed all the time, but It wasn't missed. It was picked up. "Hello, NY NFL referee ubermeister? This is..'Richter' in Bronxville. Pick up the flag and some important bets pay off. Don't ask why, just pick it up." Get me an 'X' account, I am on a roll. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I think that the ref also actually announced the penalty over the loudspeaker. Weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: I think that the ref also actually announced the penalty over the loudspeaker. Weird. He said "There is no foul for illegal man downfield on the play" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Why stop there? It can also be true that this is just part of the game. The SB was sealed on a legit but often not called pass interference........the Bills won Sunday with a controversial non-call ending the game. The hope is that you mostly keep yourself out of those situations and that when you do, you get the breaks. You string a bunch of them together.......the odds are you get burned. The Bills still had plenty of opportunity to keep NE out of the end zone. They failed. Most games are close in the NFL. Yes, ideally you don't want the game to come down to a bad call, but often it does. You seem offended that fans want to discuss one of the negative aspects of that game, which was a poor call by the refs. Everyone is in agreement that the Bills sucked and played poorly, but that doesn't mean we can't also discuss a specific play that was at least curious from the refs. We all get it. There are bad calls. You don't want to be in a position where that impacts your ability to win. Yada yada. We aren't children. We understand. 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Not only that but Taron deserved a flag on Waller. When you need flags to barely beat bad teams, your season is already a mess. Try scoring more than 3 pts in the first half. That is not the topic of this thread. Everyone understands this. The question was about a specific call from the refs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: He said "There is no foul for illegal man downfield on the play" Thanks. I guess I misheard what he said. Or maybe I just heard what I wanted to hear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, st pete gogolak said: Not saying it determined outcome of game or Bills played well enough to win. Just curious if NFL said anything about the call. No, and they never will. At least not publicly. They may communicate with the team if the team sends it in. But we'll never know, and NFL officiating will continue to live behind the veil of smoke and mirrors. Exactly where the league office wants it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: No and they need not. If you play poorly for 58 minutes and find yourself in a tight game at the end because of it you have earned the right to have the random officials calls help decide the outcome. And the more angry fans get about it the more bonded to their teams they become. That wasn’t the question. He asked if there was any explanation as to why the flag was picked up. Not throwing a flag or missing a call is one thing. Throwing a flag, then picking it up when it appears to have been justified deserves an explanation. It’s not just that “our team,” got he short end on this one, I think some explanation was warranted. Maybe I missed it? 🤷♂️ 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Yes. They released a statement saying the referee that threw the flag had money on the Bills but the other referees had money on the Patriots. Understandable. Edited October 24, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Big Turk said: He said "There is no foul for illegal man downfield on the play" Yep. Otherwise, we wouldn't even be having this thread. I'm surprised the BILLS and media aren't more vocal on this one. It is one of the weird ones. Sure, the Giants got screwed on the no call on the last play 2 weeks ago... but there was no flag. This is beyond this. And nope, I don't think it was to give Belichick his 300th win. As if that wouldn't happen this season, or that he was soooo loved anyway ha ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LewPort71 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 24 minutes ago, JÂy RÛßeÒ said: Just give it to 'em ring any bells? Yes it does. ARRRGGGHHH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 My understanding is they said it was a backwards pass. Music city miracle style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag20 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Why are people still saying the center was 5 yards down the field? When Macorkle released the ball he was 1-2 yards downfield with his foot still at 1 yard, which is probably why they picked it up. It’s still a bs move to pick the flag up, but why exaggerate? The PI with 18 seconds left was very impactful as it stopped the clock and gave them an extra down. That was one of those hooking the waist plays, but hardly impactful to the receiver. If that flag isn’t thrown, it’s second and goal, click running and they patriots get 2 plays before having to kick the FG to tie. Edited October 24, 2023 by Zag20 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Not only that but Taron deserved a flag on Waller. When you need flags to barely beat bad teams, your season is already a mess. Try scoring more than 3 pts in the first half. second half points count the same. Defense choked away a lead with less than two minutes to play, and the leagues worst offense 75 yards from the endzone. Loss is owned 100% by the defense. Bad defense, can't close. We have seen it numerous times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I haven't seen any explanation. The NFL could easily be more transparent, like the USFL and XFL are, but they refuse. I'm rooting for the other pro football leagues to succeed. Football is a super entertaining sport and the refs should be a much smaller part of the game. Automating the referee role as much as possible should be the goal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said: I'm guessing refs are told by the NFL to do their very best not to make calls in the final couple minutes of the game that can impact the outcome, especially if they believe the infraction didn't "materially" impact the play. So perhaps when the zebra's got together after the play, they did acknowledge that he was downfield but that it didn't impact the play, so they picked it up. I very much disagree with this, of course. A penalty should be a penalty whenever it happens. But that's my guess. Except they have been making calls all year more and more that are impacting outcomes of games and many times deciding them. They virtually handed the Browns a win against the Colts with flag after flag and call after call...that was pathetic. I would be incensed if I was a Colts fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 3 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up? Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad? Because Patriots* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillies Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Except they have been making calls all year more and more that are impacting outcomes of games and many times deciding them. They virtually handed the Browns a win against the Colts with flag after flag and call after call...that was pathetic. I would be incensed if I was a Colts fan. No penalty on Taron end of NYG game (thank god), which you could argue should have been called. Consistency is tough when it's ref judgment, I guess. The issue here though is picking up the flag. That's not cool, especially if they agree a foul occurred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 minute ago, BuffaloBillies said: No penalty on Taron end of NYG game (thank god), which you could argue should have been called. Consistency is tough when it's ref judgment, I guess. The issue here though is picking up the flag. That's not cool, especially if they agree a foul occurred. Typically they let players decide the games on their own at the end. The issue I have had is that you don't even know what you are getting series to series from officials in the SAME GAME, let alone from week to week with the same crew and then with different crews. Look at the Bourne TD where Henry literally blocks 3 Bills players and knocks them down but there is no offensive PI called which was FAR WORSE than what Murray did that was called earlier. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dafan Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: Reminds me of the "Just give it to them" call against the Pats. That has NO relevancy to the play. Whether he is blocking anyone or not, doesn't make it OK for him to be more than 1 yard downfield. It's still a penalty even if he is dancing by himself downfield. The excuse of picking up the flag because he didn't block anyone is crap. As a defensive player, you see a lineman down field and it changes your mind set as you are now playing a run as they can't pass the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 https://nesn.com/2023/10/why-bill-belichick-thought-patriots-bills-officiating-was-unusual/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Zag20 said: Why are people still saying the center was 5 yards down the field? When Macorkle released the ball he was 1-2 yards downfield with his foot still at 1 yard, which is probably why they picked it up. It’s still a bs move to pick the flag up, but why exaggerate? That's what I saw on the TV replay. I might be wrong, but that's what I remember seeing. I haven't double checked. But since others were saying it too, I assumed it was indeed the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 (edited) Crafty bob sent some asian orchids to the review crew and they needed the flags for cleanup Edited October 24, 2023 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 4 hours ago, st pete gogolak said: Any explanation why flag for ineligible lineman downfield picked up? Do they have to give an explanation or is it too bad so sad? It's simple....big money came in on the Bills in Vegas to trounce the Pats so.....poof, flag goes away. I hear the ref who through the flag got tuned up by the Pit Boss at the Bellagio though. Of coarse I'm kidding.... Vegas would never collude with NFL officiating. never no way like, it's not even plausible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 I just watched the play on the All-22. At the time that the pass was released, the center was precisely 1 yard downfield. He was 3 yards downfield by the time Stevenson caught Mac's floater. I think that, like usual, Belichick's teams get the details right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted October 24, 2023 Share Posted October 24, 2023 Teams usually put in a handful of plays that they disputed from the game and get answers from ny on tuesday. I don't think the team nor the league is obligated to make that info public though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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