JerseyBills Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Just a reminder of how lucky we are. 1st ballot h.o.f QB 8 1 5 11 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 We get it. Josh is good, BUT it was a vastly different game in the late 90s-2000s and yes, Peyton threw a ton of pics early in his career. 2 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMAKCruiser Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on He threw a ton in his rookie year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on I remember he was really a turnover machine. But even in his rookie year you could tell that he was special. It's why I never had any patience for Edwards or Taylor, you have to try to make plays. I'd rather see that than checkdown, checkdown, checkdown. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Josh is an insanely talented QB and we’re beyond lucky to have him on the Bills. He also leads the league in turnovers since 2020 and needs to do a much better job of taking care of the football. Both these things can be true. 5 9 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 As others have mentioned pre 2008 the qb position stats were different. Also it would be interesting to see fumbles added in as I dont recall it being as much of an issue for manning as it is w allen. Hopefully at the end of his career though Allen's thought of in the same tier as Manning especially those super bowl wins! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted July 3, 2023 Author Share Posted July 3, 2023 10 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: We get it. Josh is good, BUT it was a vastly different game in the late 90s-2000s and yes, Peyton threw a ton of pics early in his career. Peyton was groomed , expected to start #1 pick.. Allen wasn't expecting to start.. Also Peyton threw more and was playing against a bunch of 34 and 43 looks ; not as athletic Lbs so it makes it even more impressive for Josh imo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Peyton Mannings arm doesn’t even compare to the rocket 🚀 arm Josh’s Allen has. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 39 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on Yeah, Manning was brutal during his rookie season, but you could see that he had “it.” Kind of like Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) It’s also a fact that Payton manning is 5’8” then with his forehead he’s 6’5” Edited July 3, 2023 by 0017 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 minute ago, 0017 said: It’s also a fact that Payton manning is 5’8” then with his forehead he’s 6’5” The forgotten stat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) 48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on He threw 28 his rookie season. Manning is the pipe dream for every bad rookie season across the league. Manning and Allen are 20 years apart, I think it is important to compare them to their peers relatively rather than by raw numbers. By that metric they also similar in a lot of categories, which is awesome. In year 5 Manning threw 19 interceptions, good for 3rd highest in the league. Ask Manning, Dungy, Allen, McD. I would be my mortgage they would all say that their turnovers are too high. Edited July 3, 2023 by Mango 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 30 minutes ago, wppete said: Peyton Mannings arm doesn’t even compare to the rocket 🚀 arm Josh’s Allen has. So true. What’s also true is the supercomputer in Peyton’s noggin that Allen doesn’t have…yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 35 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Peyton was groomed , expected to start #1 pick.. Allen wasn't expecting to start.. Also Peyton threw more and was playing against a bunch of 34 and 43 looks ; not as athletic Lbs so it makes it even more impressive for Josh imo It was a different era. Peyton's receivers were also allowed to get mugged on their routes and killed after the catch. The linebackers of that time are better than the linebackers today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, 90sBills said: So true. What’s also true is the supercomputer in Peyton’s noggin that Allen doesn’t have…yet. Yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 59 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Just a reminder of how lucky we are. 1st ballot h.o.f QB Who is "they"? Same ones who bashed him being drafted so soon? Excuses for Manning: He had a weak team so he needed to take more chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Josh was majorly handicapped with his weapons especially his first year, not to mention a bad O-line. And didnt have a #1 wr till his 3rd year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 14 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Who is "they"? Same ones who bashed him being drafted so soon? Excuses for Manning: He had a weak team so he needed to take more chances. It wasn't even close to what Josh had around him in 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, SMAKCruiser said: He threw a ton in his rookie year When Mora did his infamous "Playoffs, Playoffs" rant he was being interviewed after Manning had just thrown 4 or 5 picks to lose that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, Doc said: It wasn't even close to what Josh had around him in 2018. I did not say it was a good excuse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: It was a different era. Peyton's receivers were also allowed to get mugged on their routes and killed after the catch. The linebackers of that time are better than the linebackers today. Tough comparison. The linebackers of that time where much bigger/slower and required a lot less to cover receivers. There is no way a team would have drafted Dorian Williams in the 3r rd back then as we did this year, too small. From that perspective, strictly as a passer, the linebackers were easier for a QB to pick apart (sans the incredibly generous rules now in place for receivers). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Limeaid said: I did not say it was a good excuse. I realize it's not your excuse but it's not an excuse, it's a lie. Manning had Harrison, Faulk, Torrance Small and Dilger on his offense and they added James a year later. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: It was a different era. Peyton's receivers were also allowed to get mugged on their routes and killed after the catch. The linebackers of that time are better than the linebackers today. Not sure this is a true statement. You even say it yourself that the receivers were allowed Ro get mugged. They were bigger but a lot slower. Those linebackers wouldn’t be able to keep up with offenses today just like current linebackers would have to be able to handle more of a beating back in those days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on 28 as a rookie then 15 then 15 then 23 then 19 first 5 years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Just a reminder of how lucky we are. 1st ballot h.o.f QB You had me at fantasy points 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 2 hours ago, 0017 said: It’s also a fact that Payton manning is 5’8” then with his forehead he’s 6’5” Are you sneaking in the Christina Ricci forehead in Buffalo 66 movie in this thread? 😃 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 3 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Not exactly the guy I'd compare him to but interesting I didn't realize Manning threw that many picks early on Yea he threw a ton. Different era mind you and the Colts team he was drafted to was bad. But those early years a Peyton Manning back breaking INT at a critical moment never felt far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) Peyton played all home games in a dome so.......big disadvantage to Josh. Edited July 3, 2023 by Nuncha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshhasbighands Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Josh has made mistakes but I saw a piece yesterday where they were saying Burrow threw 15 INTs last season, yet he is thought of for some reason as so much better than Josh by people in the media. I think Allen gets judged differently because of the pre draft talk around him and his issues. People who thought he'd be a bust will grudgingly admit he's good when they have no other choice (when he plays out of his mind) but every time he throws a pick they're right there with the same old Allen talk. I'm sort of glad he's not the media darling anymore because he's better with a chip on his shoulder. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him have an MVP year this season. But to shut these guys up he needs to win a Super Bowl and an MVP 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: We get it. Josh is good, BUT it was a vastly different game in the late 90s-2000s and yes, Peyton threw a ton of pics early in his career. Yep. It would be a heck of a lot more analogous to compare Josh over his first 80 games to someone like Patrick Mahomes. Anyone have the stats on that comparison? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 I was thinking to myself about this last night. 10-15 years from now it is going to suck without Allen at QB. We are very lucky and need to enjoy it now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Just a reminder of how lucky we are. 1st ballot h.o.f QB To be fair, fumbles should have been included in this comparison…. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90sBills Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Yep. It would be a heck of a lot more analogous to compare Josh over his first 80 games to someone like Patrick Mahomes. Anyone have the stats on that comparison? That’s not something this board needs or wants to know. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, gobills404 said: Josh is an insanely talented QB and we’re beyond lucky to have him on the Bills. He also leads the league in turnovers since 2020 and needs to do a much better job of taking care of the football. Both these things can be true. Dabbol had Josh’s turnovers trending way down then Daboll left…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, gobills404 said: Josh is an insanely talented QB and we’re beyond lucky to have him on the Bills. He also leads the league in turnovers since 2020 and needs to do a much better job of taking care of the football. Both these things can be true. You're right on both counts. 4 hours ago, wppete said: Peyton Mannings arm doesn’t even compare to the rocket 🚀 arm Josh’s Allen has. Josh has a great arm, but I do think Manning had a pretty good arm when he was young, so I can't agree with you there. The stat I'm concerned with is how many Super Bowls they win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: We get it. Josh is good, BUT it was a vastly different game in the late 90s-2000s and yes, Peyton threw a ton of pics early in his career. eh. It’s not like corners were ridiculously good in Peyton’s day compared to now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) I found this, but there must be more out there. Patrick Mahomes GP: 80; JOSH ALLEN: 80 CMP: 1,981 ; 1,694 ATT: 2,997 ; 2,697 PCT: 66.1; 62.8 YDS: 24,108; 19,385 AVG: 8.0; 7.2 YDS/G: 301.4 ; 242.3 TDS: 196 ; 143 TD%: 6.5 ; 5.3 INT: 48 ; 58 INT%: 1.6 ; 2.2 SCK: 133 ; 159 SCKY: 886 ; 1,047 RATE: 105.8 ; 93.1 From STATMUSE.COM Edited July 3, 2023 by Nextmanup 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 Manning had better receivers, running backs and coaches when he won his first ring. Comparing Allen to Manning really isn’t relevant. Comparing the teams/coaching staffs surrounding/supporting them is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: I found this, but there must be more out there. I am sure you can find whatever statistics for whatever you are looking for. In my honors math statistics class in college we were given assignment to set the conditions necessary to get results requested by professor using data provided. It reminds me of Rodney Dangerfield "Back to School" exercise using widgets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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