Ed Oliver big extension

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

what offer was Beane competing with last year?

 

His agent knowing what Roquan Smith got paid and wanting to test the market.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

definitely related. Yes please!

 

 

[PrimeTime101]

11 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

Washington publicly saying to the press (not Oliver privately) that he needs to improve at playing from the neck up, is certainly calling him out. So was Beane saying he's "left some meat on the bone". (That's not how they typically talk about players publicly). They're clearly trying to light a fire under him. 

you can not possibly know what was said to Oliver privately or not. 

 

And if you are going to quote something lets quote it proper.

 

“Just continue to play the game as much as possible from the neck up,”  (people on these boards have destroyed this comment)

Continue to is a far cry from saying "he needs to start to" << assumptions made that this is the case by some on these boards. 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/02/bills-defensive-line-coach-wants-to-see-ed-oliver-play-football-from-the-neck-up/

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

He is going to become the absolute whipping boy of this fanbase if he doesn’t start producing in big moments, right away.

[PrimeTime101]

here is a dude that knows what he is talking about. 

 

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

definitely related. Yes please!

 

 

Give me a BIG one tech DT next to Oliver. I would take that as well. 

[ALLEN1QB]

YEA DUMB MOVE. SHOULD HAVE THROWN THAT MONEY @ HOPKINS INSTEAD. HOW OFTEN DO YOU HEAR OLIVERS NAME DURING A GAME.

[Shaw66]

Like most everyone except @Gunner and a few others, I didn't see this coming.   

 

A lot of fans around here want a top-five player at every position, and that's simply unreasonable.   No team can afford to pay top-five rates to everyone. 

 

I think this tells us a few things:

 

1.  Since it looks like Oliver's currently the 11th best paid defensive tackle in the league, with a few guys who will come off their rookie contracts who will pass him in the next year or two, it means the Bills didn't overpay for him. 

 

2.  It also means that McDermott doesn't think he needs a star at defensive tackle.   He needs a certain kind of guy, and Oliver apparent is the kind of 3-tech he wants.  The Bills paid for an edge, but they won't pay for a DT.

 

3.  It's also interesting to compare him to Edmunds.  Edmunds got top four or five money, and Beane wouldn't pay that, not for Edmunds.  If Edmunds would have taken top-10 or 12 money, he probably would still be a Bill.  

 

4.  This also relates to the discussion I had today with @Chaos about the philosophy of going after the one-year rental guy to make a Super Bowl run.  It just doesn't seem to be McBeane's way.  They'll pay an Oliver nice but not outrageous money to keep him long term rather than write a short-term check.  (Of course, maybe getting this done frees some cap money so that Beane now can afford the rental - who knows?)  

 

I would say that Beane has made very few mistakes on extending players.   He didn't lose Poyer.  He didn't lose MIlano.  He kept Taron Johnson.  He extended Diggs.  Allen, of course, was a no-brainer.   Beane has extended players for good reasons, and I'd bet that this will turn out to be a good move, too. 

[Aussie Joe]

21 minutes ago, purple haze said:

2 different people.  Next...

huh? Dareus was big… but he wasn’t 2 different people

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

He is going to become the absolute whipping boy of this fanbase if he doesn’t start producing in big moments, right away.

Doubt it. Only if the defense struggles. Olive typically is unnoticeable in games, good or bad. I’m probably the biggest Oliver skeptic on this board. People don’t like when I criticize him, at least in the past.

4 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

here is a dude that knows what he is talking about. 

 

Give me a BIG one tech DT next to Oliver. I would take that as well. 

Poona and Jones already signed.

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, bearstobills said:

Are you sure about superior?  Have you seen their WR room?  No Mahomes No Superbowl.  It's that simple.  

And no Allen, no regular season wins to brag on.  Yes, their team is better and constructed to win in today’s NFL,  meanwhile the Bills have a questionable offensive line, 1WR who’s ever been anything and a bunch of nobody’s around Allen, but oh boy do our rotational DL guys / ST aces get paid.

[Thurman#1]

52 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I mean. We were 4-0 when Dodson started at the same time. When he and the coaching staff had time to prepare

 

 

That's a very questionable argument. Would've been a good one if the wins and losses came down to how well Dodson played. They didn't. Had much more to do with, in the two games Dodson started this year and played a majority of snaps, our offense scoring 38 and 31 and our facing Pittsburgh and Cleveland, two very low to mediocre teams and offenses in the league.

 

The offense and STs are beside the point in a discussion of Edmunds and how he affects a game. When Edmunds was out, the defense was a lot worse.

 

Hopefully, bringing in Poona and a healthy Da'Quan will make the job easier for whoever has it next, and that person will grow and improve.

 

 

Edited June 4, 2023 by Thurman#1

[BillMafia716ix]

They are determined to make the Ed Oliver pick work. I guess they figured to get it down now at a cheaper price. If he had a good year that price would of been much higher 

[PrimeTime101]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Doubt it. Only if the defense struggles. Olive typically is unnoticeable in games, good or bad. I’m probably the biggest Oliver skeptic on this board. People don’t like when I criticize him, at least in the past.

Poona and Jones already signed.

good point. I do not mind criticism of a player. There were a few games... boy he deserved it.. what i hate is.. bad narratives. You never gave me a bad narrative, so I respect you for it. Oliver is the last DT signed. IT did not set the market and yet it did for his talent level right? So he being paid around 15th now?  How much will that number sink when the next 15 are signed over the next year. By then his paycheck numbers will make sense. 

 

I always like having the good conversations with you.

Respect. 

[JerseyBills]

6 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That's a very questionable argument. Would've been a good one if the wins and losses came down to how well Dodson played. They didn't. Had much more to do with, in the two games Dodson started this year and played a majority of snaps, our offense scoring 38 and 31 and our facing Pittsburgh and Cleveland, two very low to mediocre teams and offenses in the league.

 

The offense and STs are beside the point in a discussion of Edmunds and how he affects a game. When Edmunds was out, the defense was a lot worse.

 

Hopefully, bringing in Poona and a healthy Da'Quan will make the job easier for whoever has it next, and that person will grow and improve.

 

 

If you're watching.  That's a perfect example,  Edmunds got confused as usual and cost em 40 yards

[MJS]

1 hour ago, StHustle said:

Just curious...do you judge players the same when they play healthy as when they play through injuries that limits them 🤔

Just looking at Oliver's entire career, I just think he needs to play better and make a more consistent impact regardless of any other factors.

 

He'll be here for a lot longer, so he'll have the opportunity to show us all that he can do those things.

[Warriorspikes51]

*whispers sign and trade* 😂

[MJS]

51 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I agree the contract isn’t horrible, but it’s literally only 0.5M from being in the top 10 of all DT contracts. Definitely not average in my opinion.

Newer contracts usually land on the higher end of that spectrum, though. As other guys sign extensions and new contracts, that will push Oliver's down pretty quickly.

[JerseyBills]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

Just looking at Oliver's entire career, I just think he needs to play better and make a more consistent impact regardless of any other factors.

 

He'll be here for a lot longer, so he'll have the opportunity to show us all that he can do those things.

The potential is Sky high. I think McD definitely had alot of input and felt Ed will be a force in his defense 

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, JerseyBills said:

The potential is Sky high. I think McD definitely had alot of input and felt Ed will be a force in his defense 

I like this view. I want to be hopeful on it

 

[Thurman#1]

4 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

If you're watching.  That's a perfect example,  Edmunds got confused as usual and cost em 40 yards

 

 

Perhaps to some people this post would be very clear.

 

In any case, the D was worse when Edmunds was out. It was not hard to see.

[Shaw66]

9 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

They are determined to make the Ed Oliver pick work. 

I don't think there's any evidence of that at all.  These guys aren't about trying to prove bad decisions actually are good decisions.  They didn't keep Edmunds to make that pick work.  They didn't keep Singletary to make that pick work.  They didn't keep Cody Ford to make that pick work.   

 

They extended Oliver because he fits what they're trying to do on defense and he was willing to take compensation that made sense to the Bills.   

[JerseyBills]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Perhaps to some people this post would be very clear.

 

In any case, the D was worse when Edmunds was out. It was not hard to see.

I mean he's a very good LB. I just think for this specific D he is very replaceable and watching a random game, it shows his instincts are terrible 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

I think that's the point tho isn't it

 

If you want to pay the Chris Joneses sometimes you have to not pay the Ed Olivers and Dawson Knoxes

 

Right but that's also why he isn't being paid 80M for 5 years.

 

He's definitely a disruptor but it doesn't always show up on the stat sheets.

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

In any case, the D was worse when Edmunds was out. It was not hard to see.

This is flat out true.  

 

What remains to be seen is whether the defense will be worse without him this season.   That's the big question for this season.  I'm betting on McDermott.  

 

I keep quoting Babich, who said the other day the same thing Beane and McDermott say all the time.  They want football players - meaning tough, hard-nosed, smart, aggressive athletes.  Edmunds wasn't one of those.   He was good, and the defense worked well with him out there, but he never became the kind of player McDermott wants.  I will not be surprised, at all, if Dorian Williams turns out to be the guy. 

[StHustle]

3 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

I mean he's a very good LB. I just think for this specific D he is very replaceable and watching a random game, it shows his instincts are terrible 

 

Excited to see how a much smaller Williams who has much better instincts can evolve that part of our defense.

[PrimeTime101]

5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't think there's any evidence of that at all.  These guys aren't about trying to prove bad decisions actually are good decisions.  They didn't keep Edmunds to make that pick work.  They didn't keep Singletary to make that pick work.  They didn't keep Cody Ford to make that pick work.   

 

They extended Oliver because he fits what they're trying to do on defense and he was willing to take compensation that made sense to the Bills.   

spot on

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

This is flat out true.  

 

What remains to be seen is whether the defense will be worse without him this season.   That's the big question for this season.  I'm betting on McDermott.  

 

I keep quoting Babich, who said the other day the same thing Beane and McDermott say all the time.  They want football players - meaning tough, hard-nosed, smart, aggressive athletes.  Edmunds wasn't one of those.   He was good, and the defense worked well with him out there, but he never became the kind of player McDermott wants.  I will not be surprised, at all, if Dorian Williams turns out to be the guy. 

 

Yeah I really liked the Williams pick once I started reading more about him and seeing more games of his in College.

[JerseyBills]

8 minutes ago, StHustle said:

 

Excited to see how a much smaller Williams who has much better instincts can evolve that part of our defense.

Idk if this is sarcasm but I agree regardless , Williams lacks the size but has incredible Instincts 

Feel like it will result in much better results in his rookie contract 

P.S - Milano is a BEAST and perfect example of instincts vs size

Edited June 4, 2023 by JerseyBills

[DapperCam]

I don’t understand this at all

[Bills!Win!]

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

[PrimeTime101]

27 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

*whispers sign and trade* 😂

whispers back, This is not Madden Football  

[DJB]

This is a massive massive mistake 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Overdrafted, undersized … and now I can add overpaid to the list. 

[Bongo]

Here are my thoughts. These and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. I also don’t profess to watch “film”.

 

That said, and disclaimers over, I think Ed is a very talented DT. The best in the league? Probably not. Hasn’t shown it yet. But this contract isn’t for the best. A tweet earlier said it was for 16th best which will quickly become 18th best. Then 20th best as more get their extensions. That starts to feel right. 
 

Add on to that (and here I’m really using my gut feelings or gas; still haven’t decided) that Ed is likely viewed as our most talented  DT and he likely gets the attention commensurate with that from opposing O lines. 
 

Now you would hope that he could transcend that attention on a more regular basis like a Chris Jones. They must feel he has the ability to up his game coupled with him being paid as an almost great player which he qualifies for. Let’s hope he transitions to all pro great and out performs the contract. But for now, getting paid as the 16th best DT isn’t a travesty, it’s just sticker shock. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

here is a dude that knows what he is talking about. 

 

Give me a BIG one tech DT next to Oliver. I would take that as well. 

 

 

This thread has been hilarious and Mike Catalana showing off his Drew Bledsoe "Donahoe Clown Suit" road jersey just added to it. 

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I think this tells us a few things:

 

1.  Since it looks like Oliver's currently the 11th best paid defensive tackle in the league, with a few guys who will come off their rookie contracts who will pass him in the next year or two, it means the Bills didn't overpay for him. 

He's currently the 16th highest paid DT at 15.75m a year.  He'll be 18th after Wilkins and Williams gets their deal.  It's about where he should be imo.  My biggest concern is he gets lazy Dareus style but McBeane know his work habits much better than we do.

Edited June 4, 2023 by Doc Brown

[Buffalo_Stampede]

25 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

Why? They’re better than last year. The roster is much better.

Edited June 4, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Simon]

2 minutes ago, Bongo said:

Here are my thoughts. These and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. I also don’t profess to watch “film”.

 

That said, and disclaimers over, I think Ed is a very talented DT. The best in the league? Probably not. Hasn’t shown it yet. But this contract isn’t for the best. A tweet earlier said it was for 16th best which will quickly become 18th best. Then 20th best as more get their extensions. That starts to feel right. 
 

Add on to that (and here I’m really using my gut feelings or gas; still haven’t decided) that Ed is likely viewed as our most talented  DT and he likely gets the attention commensurate with that from opposing O lines. 
 

Now you would hope that he could transcend that attention on a more regular basis like a Chris Jones. They must feel he has the ability to up his game coupled with him being paid as an almost great player which he qualifies for. Let’s hope he transitions to all pro great and out performs the contract. But for now, getting paid as the 16th best DT isn’t a travesty, it’s just sticker shock. 

 

This is an excellent post and I would only add to it that the fact that's he's well-respected by all his brothers and coaches is a decisive factor as well.

 

 

[MJS]

36 minutes ago, Bills!Win! said:

This year I’m the least excited I’ve been about the Bills since the EJ Manuel days…

That's a you problem, not a Bills problem.

[GoBills808]

16 minutes ago, Bongo said:

Here are my thoughts. These and a cup of coffee will get you a cup of coffee. I also don’t profess to watch “film”.

 

That said, and disclaimers over, I think Ed is a very talented DT. The best in the league? Probably not. Hasn’t shown it yet. But this contract isn’t for the best. A tweet earlier said it was for 16th best which will quickly become 18th best. Then 20th best as more get their extensions. That starts to feel right. 
 

Add on to that (and here I’m really using my gut feelings or gas; still haven’t decided) that Ed is likely viewed as our most talented  DT and he likely gets the attention commensurate with that from opposing O lines. 
 

Now you would hope that he could transcend that attention on a more regular basis like a Chris Jones. They must feel he has the ability to up his game coupled with him being paid as an almost great player which he qualifies for. Let’s hope he transitions to all pro great and out performs the contract. But for now, getting paid as the 16th best DT isn’t a travesty, it’s just sticker shock. 

11th I believe