Bills sign Damien Harris

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Didn't lose a comp pick for Harris. That canceled out Singletary.

Edmunds was already canceled out by the McGovern signing.

 

It doesn't.  TE is getting $10M/year more than McGovern.  It would knock it down from a 3rd rounder.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Didn't lose a comp pick for Harris. That canceled out Singletary.

Edmunds was already canceled out by the McGovern signing.

 

 

This where comp picks confuse me. How does Edmunds $18 million per year deal get canceled out by McGovern’s $7 million per year deal?

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'd be amazed if Beane would risk blowing the deal and losing out on a guy he wanted (Harris) over the possibility of getting the 105th pick in the draft.

Not saying he would.  Timing just curious that within a couple hours of Singletary signing with Texans, Bills sign Harris.  Almost like Beane was waiting to see terms of Singletary’s deal.  Because Harris was hurt last year, there’s a lot of NLTBE bonus money that Harris could probably easily earn this year as well.  

Edited March 21, 2023 by BuffaloRebound

[GolfandBills]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

This where comp picks confuse me. How does Edmunds $18 million per year deal get canceled out by McGovern’s $7 million per year deal?

One qualifying contract cancels out another one regardless of value.  

[Thurman#1]

3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'd be amazed if Beane would risk blowing the deal and losing out on a guy he wanted (Harris) over the possibility of getting the 105th pick in the draft.

 

 

I'm willing to believe that you would be amazed about it.

[Manther]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Bills could use a Day 3 pick on a secondary depth piece depending on what they plan on doing with Benford, but that’s about it. 
 

They are set at CB1, CB2, Slot, both Safety spots and have great depth at CB in Benford & Jackson. 

LB, DT, EDGE.. yea, sadly it seems we do still need help at all 3 positions. 

Heaven forbid Allen ever gets more than mid-tier FA’s and Late Day 2/Early Day 3 picks.   Diggs doesn’t absolve them of constant neglect. 

Regarding LB, DT, EDGE.  We can resign Shaq Lawson and Jordan Phillips cheap.  Another DT is probably needed in the draft.

[Kirby Jackson]

35 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

That's not what you said. 

 

You said that Singletary is a better back because his YPC was higher. I mean you want to talk nonsense, jeez. 

Find where I said “higher.” I said it is the same (4.7 YPC). Please provide that quote.
 

I do believe in being factually accurate. I took issue with someone saying “Harris has 3x the workload” when Singeltary has 368 more touches in his career. I’m not making stuff up. That’s not my deal around here. I provided facts and you can do with them what you will. 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Kirby Jackson

[1onemangang7]

14 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

Wow.  There is the Bills 35% snaps RB.

80

[Manther]

9 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The wailing and crying here over the mere possibility of losing a 3rd rd comp pick, when we dont even have Harris's contract numbers yet, is getting to ridiculous levels. Bills fans really need to disconnect and go enjoy Spring for a bit.

And, do we care more about a potential 3rd round comp pick than compete for a Championship?  Beane has wasted many 3rd round picks on trade up, unfortunately.

 

However, I do think we will end up with a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds.  There is lots of time between now and May for players to be signed.  We don't need to sign much more and we have lots of players that are FA's and will be signed by other teams.

10 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

All depends on contract value not just total free agents lost/gained.  Contract has to actually qualify for the formula 

I thought the ante to getting comp picks was a minimum of net zero gained or lost or 1 player positive lost?

[Ta111]

6 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

I'd be amazed if Beane would risk blowing the deal and losing out on a guy he wanted (Harris) over the possibility of getting the 105th pick in the draft.

Exactly. This was a no brainer deal. They needed a big short yardage back and they got a good one. Last year our big back was Josh. Frankly, to resign Motor already having Cook and Hines as speed smaller speed backs would have been malpractice.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said:

80

You think they'll only give Cook 20 % ?   I expect more like 50/50

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, Manther said:

And, do we care more about a potential 3rd round comp pick than compete for a Championship?  Beane has wasted many 3rd round picks on trade up, unfortunately.

 

However, I do think we will end up with a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds.  There is lots of time between now and May for players to be signed.  We don't need to sign much more and we have lots of players that are FA's and will be signed by other teams.

What current Bills free agents will sign for over 2 million a year to even qualify for the donpnpick formula?  I don’t see anymore that will.  Highly unlikely we get a comp pick in 2024

[Manther]

6 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

One qualifying contract cancels out another one regardless of value.  

That is what I thought.  But, I am not confident.

[NC-billsfan!]

38 minutes ago, alluro said:

Can anyone confirm Buffalo lost a third round comp pick by signing Harris? If so, that is a HUGE mistep by Brandon Beane...unbelievable. 

I like the thought of considering comp picks when signing free agents. I think long term, it’s just good planning. I believe the staff always considers long term outcomes. That being said, our Super Bowl window is open now. Do I believe in selling  out to get a Super Bowl. Yes and no. If it works great (see Rams). But if the Rams lost they would look foolish now. Oops back to my point. I think our window got shorter because of everything that happened last year. Last year was probably year one for winning a SB. Me personally, I don’t want to do what the Rams did, but minor things (argument could be made against it) like comp picks don’t concern me. Plus there’s the it’s a wash argument. Bottom line, if Harris makes us better today for the right term, sign him.

 

On a side note. I hated that guy. He was a Bill killer. At the very least, sign him and bench him. Then he will at least quit carving us up.

[1onemangang7]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

You think they'll only give Cook 20 % ?   I expect more like 50/50

Huge upgrade to Cook, don't know if he'll ever stay healthy.  When healthy you'll see you don't want Cook in there 

[GolfandBills]

Just now, Manther said:

That is what I thought.  But, I am not confident.

Basically a player has to sign a contract that qualifies for the formula which is a top 35% contract(somewhere a little over 2 million a year).  Players signing contracts under that don’t even count toward the formula. 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

15 tuddies in 2021. I am fine with it 👍

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

One qualifying contract cancels out another one regardless of value.  

It doesn’t make any sense at all. It’s the dumbest formula.

[GreggTX]

I'm OK with this. I hope we have our first 1,000 yard Rusher in years. I know Josh will still run a lot because the OL is so bad, but I still hope he dors not run nearly as much. Too much risk of injury and too many fumbles. 

[GolfandBills]

6 minutes ago, Manther said:

And, do we care more about a potential 3rd round comp pick than compete for a Championship?  Beane has wasted many 3rd round picks on trade up, unfortunately.

 

However, I do think we will end up with a 3rd round comp pick for Edmunds.  There is lots of time between now and May for players to be signed.  We don't need to sign much more and we have lots of players that are FA's and will be signed by other teams.

I thought the ante to getting comp picks was a minimum of net zero gained or lost or 1 player positive lost?

It is but the contracts have to qualify 

[harmonkillebrew]

Harris helps change our offensive identity. We'll have a smash mouth side to us now. We just need a road grader G on the right side to pair with Spencer Brown

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Not saying he would.  Timing just curious that within a couple hours of Singletary signing with Texans, Bills sign Harris.  Almost like Beane was waiting to see terms of Singletary’s deal.  Because Harris was hurt last year, there’s a lot of NLTBE bonus money that Harris could probably easily earn this year as well.  

 

I dont disagree about waiting to see terms. That's what usually happens. One guy at a position signs, and then all the other FAs at that position sign. Same thing happened last week right after Poyer signed. All the other Safeties out there signed because the market was then set. I'm just not sure Comp Pick was in his thinking.

[78thealltimegreat]

54 minutes ago, alluro said:

Can anyone confirm Buffalo lost a third round comp pick by signing Harris? If so, that is a HUGE mistep by Brandon Beane...unbelievable. 

Nope

[McBean]

2 hours ago, flmike said:

The team desperately needs help at LB and CB and safety depth, not to mention a true run-stuffing DL and you don't want to use picks there? 

Absolutely not.

 

We’ve used nothing but PREMIUM picks the past 4 years on that side of the ball, and it’s gotten us stomped in the playoffs by better OFFENSIVE TEAMS with more PLAYMAKERS.

 

Dear God, some of you on here think this Front office walks on water.

Just now, McBean said:

Absolutely not.

 

We’ve used nothing but PREMIUM picks the past 4 years on that side of the ball, and it’s gotten us stomped in the playoffs by better OFFENSIVE TEAMS with more PLAYMAKERS.

 

Dear God, some of you on here think this Front office walks on water.

also, we have JOSH ALLEN as our QB. Protect the kid at all costs. Help him out for once!

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

14 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

https://youtu.be/AiZzxhwLMYQ

Dude. Runs. Hard. 
 

I like how he makes a decision on his one cut, plants, and goes. He has speed and he finishes runs punishingly. Good vision. A lot of nice plays against the Bills in the above highlight video. Fits the profile to balance with Cook and Hines. Only age 26. Also good to take from NE*. 

His draft profile:

 

Disciplined and rugged with a very strong sense of who he is as a running back. He operates with a good feel for blocking schemes and finds the designed yards while adding extra with his power and some elusiveness. He lacks game-breaking juice as a runner and will need to keep his weight down or he'll end up in the "grinder" category of runners. Harris is more likely to be good than great as a pro, but his size, every-down game and ball security give him a chance to have fruitful career as a solid starter.

 

The one at 1:06 is insane ! 

Edited March 21, 2023 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Manther]

15 minutes ago, GolfandBills said:

Basically a player has to sign a contract that qualifies for the formula which is a top 35% contract(somewhere a little over 2 million a year).  Players signing contracts under that don’t even count toward the formula. 

Thanks!

[Realist]

14 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

It's OK.  I stand by my comment.  Whenever someone comes here and says "I'm a realist" , it basically says "I think I'm the smartest guy in the room". 

Hmmm...

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

LOL, you guys and your comp picks. Honestly thought most of the comp pick talk was just sarcasm because of how little it matters.

 

Getting your guys and shoring up the roster before the draft >>>>> Comp pick

 

If we dont sign Harris then we likely need to use that comp pick on yet another 3rd round RB anyways, so it's all a wash.

 

It does matter. We're talking about a free top 100 pick. Signing an injury ridden RB with a limited skill set to a one year deal is not worth losing that pick. We could have signed Elliott to play the same role, or just drafted one on day three like most teams do for that skill set.

 

Even if you're correct that we would have had to spend that 3rd round pick on a RB (although I will mention this obviously isn't inherently true), there's a big difference between a cost controlled RB on a multi-year rookie contract and a veteran on a one year contract.

 

Let's be real. A one season rental of almost any RB is not worth a 3rd round pick. It's arguable that not a single RB is worth that trade off. For Damien Harris the suggestion is laughable.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by HappyDays

[Einstein's Dog]

13 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

Harris helps change our offensive identity. We'll have a smash mouth side to us now. We just need a road grader G on the right side to pair with Spencer Brown

I view the Harris move as more upgrading a role than changing offensive identity.  Harris is here to excel in short yardage and pass protection.  Harris is an upgrade there.

 

The FO is keeping true to its philosophy of a young, cheaper RB room.  This looks to increase the role of the newer RB, Cook, jettison the expired RB Singletary.  And they may get a backup/developmental big back like R Johnson in the 4th for the future to replace Harris in a year or two.

 

The offensive identity of the Bills will remain Josh-centric (as it should).

[GolfandBills]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

It does matter. We're talking about a free top 100 pick. Signing an injury ridden RB with a limited skill set to a one year deal is not worth losing that pick. We could have signed Elliott to play the same role, or just drafted one on day three like most teams do for that skill set.

 

Even if you're correct that we would have had to spend that 3rd round pick on a RB (although I will mention this obviously isn't inherently true), there's a big difference between a cost controlled RB on a rookie deal and a one year veteran.

 

Let's be real. A one season rental of almost any RB is not worth a 3rd round pick. It's arguable that not a single RB is worth that trade off. For Damien Harris the suggestion is laughable.

You don’t even know if Harris contract will even qualify for the comp formula.  Calm down 

[HappyDays]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

You don’t even know if Harris contract will even qualify for the comp formula.  Calm down 

 

I'm still hopeful that it won't be. I guess the actual threshold for players that qualify for the comp pick formula is believed to be around $2.5 million this year. If we got him for $2 million or less I think it's a good signing. If we paid more than that, and next year we're talking about a free top 100 pick that we lost, the signing will have been inexcusable IMO.

[T master]

YAY !!! Another RB under 6' tall & just a little over 200 lbs ... Moss 2.0 .

[Dr. Who]

51 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Honest question: Which top teams? And is it because they have a "method" or because good teams usually lose good players and are usually too overextended to add more back?

I’m ignoring teams that have bad records and get compensatory picks. I am interested in the good teams that qualify for them and continually maintain winning records. NE* is somewhat down now, but I include them for the early 2020s as representative of the tail end of over a decade of success. Imo, Baltimore, Kansas City, and San Francisco are able to accomplish the feat because they consistently draft well. Beane is not at their level.

 

2020:  NE got 2 third rounders and 2 sixth rounders. Seattle got a third, a fourth, and a sixth. Baltimore got a third and a fourth.

2021:  NE got a third and a fourth. Dallas got a third and a sixth. San Francisco got a third and a fifth. The Rams got two thirds and a fourth. Baltimore got a third and a fifth. Kansas City got a fourth and a fifth.

2022:  Baltimore got a third and a fourth, San Francisco got two thirds, two sixths, and a seventh, Kansas City got a third and a seventh, LA Rams got a third, a fourth, and two sixths.

2023:  San Francisco got three thirds and a fifth, Kansas City got a third, a sixth, and a seventh.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, T master said:

YAY !!! Another RB under 6' tall & just a little over 200 lbs ... Moss 2.0 .

 

oh really? Did Zach Moss have 15 TDs in 2021?

 

Was Zach Moss ranked as the #2 RB in 2020 and 2021?

Give me a break!! 

[mikemac2001]

13 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm still hopeful that it won't be. I guess the actual threshold for players that qualify for the comp pick formula is believed to be around $2.5 million this year. If we got him for $2 million or less I think it's a good signing. If we paid more than that, and next year we're talking about a free top 100 pick that we lost, the signing will have been inexcusable IMO.

If you go to that site it looks like it was lost already so this signing might not even affect it 

 

https://overthecap.com/compensatory-picks

Edited March 21, 2023 by mikemac2001

[1onemangang7]

14 hours ago, julian said:

Good… this will remain an Allen offense in the air and on the ground

That's good? 🤣 Allen just became a very dangerous weapon with a competent runner back there with him. Let's hope it lasts all season.

[Beck Water]

13 hours ago, Warcodered said:

unless he's blocking for a pass. 🤷‍♂️

 

Is he a good pass blocker?

[John from Riverside]

2 minutes ago, T master said:

YAY !!! Another RB under 6' tall & just a little over 200 lbs ... Moss 2.0 .

Translation
” the bills didn’t take my guy that I wanted”

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Is he a good pass blocker?

yes 

[Logic]

I just heard about this signing and came here to see what the discussion was like.

25 pages. Bills fans never cease to amaze me.

Looking over Harris' career, I see that in 2021, he had 15 rushing TDs! When was the last time a Bills running back had 15 rushing TDs in a season. Anyone? I legitimately have no idea.

If Harris does nothing else but replace some of those Josh Allen short yardage and red zone carries and add health and mileage to our franchise QB, he was a good signing. 

I hope it winds up being Cook and Hines deployed as an interchangeable, explosive, and diverse top two, with Harris seeing mostly pass blocking, short yardage, and red zone work.

 

Edited March 21, 2023 by Logic