Edmunds to Bears

[Dopey]

The Bears have film on Edmunds from his college days through this past season. They know what they’re getting and have a plan to use his talents how they see best. People here acting like the Bears will be surprised with what he can and can’t do is just plain dumb. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

33 minutes ago, Chaos said:

It will be interesting to see if Edwards ages on the bears.  

haha— doubt it. In 5 years, he still will be 24. 

[WideNine]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

Edmunds was never as good as his biggest fans claimed nor as bad as his biggest detractors claimed.

A plus defender against the pass, and an average to below average defender against the run. A very unique player. Not many like him in the NFL. He's somewhat of a linebacker/safety hybrid, to be honest.

At any rate....the Bills defense will look quite different next season. The best part is that we won't have to hear the endless Edmunds debate any more.

 

Well said.

 

Many here wanted to see a guy who could quickly diagnose a play, hit the right gap, shed blocks, and be a thumper. Nope.

 

Tremaine was more of a lanky safety that could cover a lot of ground, get in the way of passes, and prevent 5 yard plays from turning into 15-20 yard plays.

 

He was very good at reading and reacting to a QBs eyes, but guys like Mahomes could use their eyes to work him like a joystick to free up space in the secondary.

 

Good QBs we run into down the stretch can do that well.

 

This defense missed him when he was not on the field, but not enough that it would justify taking on a crippling salary.

 

We did not see the TFLs, the INTs, the FFs one would hope to see, but some of that was scheme, some just the way Tremaine played.

 

I felt he had improved each year, but the problem with drafting a player high for their upside, and investing years to realize that potential, is that the player simply cashes out once they turn the corner.

 

Not blaming him, it was the obvious move for Edmunds.

 

 

 

[SWATeam]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

 

That is how he was used here.  I have said for a while, the thing most people hate the most about Edmunds has more to do with how he is used in our system.  No one compared him Urlacher, one of the best LBs of the past 30 years.  But, I think Edmunds is going to show he is more than what he was here now that he is in Chicago.

I guess we’ll see.  He did just have his best year so he could still be ascending.  He is young in case you didn’t know!

 

I have yet to see any other skills to envision much of a role change.

[White Linen]

15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Remember when people ran Hughes out of town last year because he couldn't get sacks after a 2 sack season?  Well he put up 9 sacks this year in Houston after supposedly being washed.  Hughes averaged 4 sacks in 5 seasons with Frazier, and 8 sacks in 5 seasons without Frazier, including this past year with 3 seasons of 9 or more.  

 

I have a feeling Edmunds is going to be even better now that he is not stuck with Frazier anymore.  Just like how London Fletcher was never the issue despite this whole board making him the "Edmunds" like whipping boy while he was here.  

 

I was fine for cap reasons not resigning him, but don't be surprised when Edmunds really excels in Chicago.

 

I think Bills fans love their players as much as any base  I also think most wanted to love Edmunds,  he didn't make it easy, IMO.

 

Good dude and I wish him well.

 

 

 

Edited March 13, 2023 by White Linen

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, Bills Juggernaut said:

Finally……. A compensatory pick in next years draft. 

 

2 hours ago, Drifter said:

Do we finally get a comp pick?

 

it depends on how many free agents Bills sign which qualify and how many comp picks P*ts steal from us.

[Alphadawg7]

31 minutes ago, Dopey said:

The Bears have film on Edmunds from his college days through this past season. They know what they’re getting and have a plan to use his talents how they see best. People here acting like the Bears will be surprised with what he can and can’t do is just plain dumb. 

 

One of the few voice of reasons here

[skibum]

Edmunds was the centerpiece of the Leslie Frazier defensive scheme. Without Frazier, it's even harder to justify paying him that kind of coin. 

 

I'm excited to see what's next for the Bills D, but it always Sucks to watch a blue-chip, freak athlete, team captain, quarterback of the defense just walk out the door for no compensation whatsoever. Especially at such a young age. 

 

As Bills fans, I think we all know what's coming next - In Chicago, Edmunds blossoms into the greatest LB of his generation for the next ten years. Wins 3 titles and multiple DPOYs. Key to the city, free kielbasa for life. 

Edited March 13, 2023 by skibum

[FireChans]

37 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

That is how he was used here.  I have said for a while, the thing most people hate the most about Edmunds has more to do with how he is used in our system.  No one compared him Urlacher, one of the best LBs of the past 30 years.  But, I think Edmunds is going to show he is more than what he was here now that he is in Chicago.

 

37 minutes ago, Dopey said:

The Bears have film on Edmunds from his college days through this past season. They know what they’re getting and have a plan to use his talents how they see best. People here acting like the Bears will be surprised with what he can and can’t do is just plain dumb. 

The cope is reaching critical mass.

 

Our little MLB physical wonder is going to be the same poor instincts, wrong gap filling, not worth paying guy he was in Buffalo.

[SirAndrew]

The Bears are a mess. It’s strange how many people think that GM has potential. They make really poor decisions and Fields isn’t the guy. 

[TwistofFate]

Oh my God did they overpay for Tremaine

Edited March 13, 2023 by TwistofFate

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Well said.

 

Many here wanted to see a guy who could quickly diagnose a play, hit the right gap, shed blocks, and be a thumper. Nope.

 

Tremaine was more of a lanky safety that could cover a lot of ground, get in the way of passes, and prevent 5 yard plays from turning into 15-20 yard plays.

 

He was very good at reading and reacting to a QBs eyes, but guys like Mahomes could use their eyes to work him like a joystick to free up space in the secondary.

 

Good QBs we run into down the stretch can do that well.

 

This defense missed him when he was not on the field, but not enough that it would justify taking on a crippling salary.

 

We did not see the TFLs, the INTs, the FFs one would hope to see, but some of that was scheme, some just the way Tremaine played.

 

I felt he had improved each year, but the problem with drafting a player high for their upside, and investing years to realize that potential, is that the player simply cashes out once they turn the corner.

 

Not blaming him, it was the obvious move for Edmunds.

 

 

 

Loved that “worked him like a joystick.”  Prolly true for elite QBs,  but OCs had to game plan for him.  Hope he plays like $70 million.  

[Chas56]

I wonder if having Leslie Frazier leaving (for a while) coupled with Edmunds leaving means we might be on the edge of a new style of defense.

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, skibum said:

Edmunds was the centerpiece of the Leslie Frazier defensive scheme. Without Frazier, it's even harder to justify paying him that kind of coin. 

 

I'm excited to see what's next for the Bills D, but it always Sucks to watch a blue-chip, freak athlete, team captain, quarterback of the defense just walk out the door for no compensation whatsoever. Especially at such a young age. 

 

As Bills fans, I think we all know what's coming next - In Chicago, Edmunds blossoms into the greatest LB of his generation for the next ten years. Wins 3 titles and multiple DPOYs. Key to the city, free kielbasa for life. 

And yummy deep dished pizza by the truck loads 🍕

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Oooooooof. I think the fan base was too hard on Edmunds but that is just way too much money. Edmunds and Milano are a lot alike in play.

 

But $18 million a year? Heck no for me

 

[Virgil]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

That is how he was used here.  I have said for a while, the thing most people hate the most about Edmunds has more to do with how he is used in our system.  No one compared him Urlacher, one of the best LBs of the past 30 years.  But, I think Edmunds is going to show he is more than what he was here now that he is in Chicago.

 

Why do you think he was attempted to be used any differently than Luke Keuchley, who had a huge career in a McD system.  That's where my ceiling for Edmunds was.  I'm not attacking, honestly curious.

2 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

It’s like if the 80s bills lost Darryl Talley in 1988 or something. They don’t go to a SB if that happened and this team won’t either

 

certain players you have to hang onto. QB, LT, QBs favorite Weapon, MLB, Pass rusher

 

you don’t pay guys like Tre White and an average tight end big money and cost yourself one of those core players. They are just squandering away the window 

 

(Mods please don’t ban me for having an opinion)

 

 

 

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[Bad Things]

Man, I was so excited and had such high expectations when we drafted him.  I always hoped that "the next game" he would surprise me and play with more instinct, but that never materialized.

He was a very frustrating player to watch all these years.  Kinda like a really big kid that didn't know how big he was, which showed through on how hesitant he was in his tackling.

In the end, I'm relieved he's gone.

 

Oh... and Matt Milano is 10 times the player Edmunds is.

Edited March 14, 2023 by Bad Things

[balln]

1 hour ago, skibum said:

Edmunds was the centerpiece of the Leslie Frazier defensive scheme. Without Frazier, it's even harder to justify paying him that kind of coin. 

 

I'm excited to see what's next for the Bills D, but it always Sucks to watch a blue-chip, freak athlete, team captain, quarterback of the defense just walk out the door for no compensation whatsoever. Especially at such a young age. 

 

As Bills fans, I think we all know what's coming next - In Chicago, Edmunds blossoms into the greatest LB of his generation for the next ten years. Wins 3 titles and multiple DPOYs. Key to the city, free kielbasa for life. 

Blue chip ? I don’t think he is. They used a #1 and traded 2 2nd rounders to move up. you way over value him and especially w intangible praise - captain and quarterback of the D.

 

he’s just NOT worth it. And not worth it for this team at this time point. I actually have restored faith in beane. Sometimes it’s the MoVES you don’t make that are the right moves. 
 

and also - bills may get a 3rd comp pick so it’s not nothing 

[Since1981]

He was stuck in 2 LB cover role. he never hit his draft potential but geeesh he was put in weird spots on the bend-but-don’t-win Leslie D

[T master]

5 hours ago, WMDman said:

interested to see the numbers

4 years $72 Million with $50 million guaranteed . No way Beane was going to pay that & i can't blame him he wasn't worth that kind of money sorry ...

 

At least he's not int the AFC that would have sucked if the Pats or Fins would have paid him .

Edited March 14, 2023 by T master

[MrEpsYtown]

5 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

He was stuck in 2 LB cover role. he never hit his draft potential but geeesh he was put in weird spots on the bend-but-don’t-win Leslie D

He just signed with a team for which his role will be exactly the same. But he is getting paid. Eberflus is a Rod Marinelli disciple, same school of Tony Dungy Tampa 2 as Lovie Smith, Leslie Frazier, Dick Jauron. Also bend but don’t break.

[balln]

8 minutes ago, Bad Things said:

Man, I was so excited and had such high expectations when we drafted him.  I always hoped that "the next game" he would surprise me and play with more instinct, but that never materialized.

He was a very frustrating player to watch all these years.  Kinda like a really big kid that didn't know how big he was, which showed through on how hesitant he was in his tackling.

In the end, I'm relieved he's gone.

 

Oh... and Matt Milano is 10 times the player Edmunds is.

100

 

everyone should go back to that draft day. And his expectations. Glad he’s gone. And glad beane didn’t spend for him.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

He just signed with a team for which his role will be exactly the same. But he is getting paid. Eberflus is a Rod Marinelli disciple, same school of Tony Dungy Tampa 2 as Lovie Smith, Leslie Frazier, Dick Jauron. Also bend but don’t break.

 

Yep

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

Why do you think he was attempted to be used any differently than Luke Keuchley, who had a huge career in a McD system.  That's where my ceiling for Edmunds was.  I'm not attacking, honestly curious.

 

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I am not sure why they used him different, but they definitely did.  Personally, I think while the system installed was McD's, I think it had more to do with how Frazier moved the pieces around and called plays inside McD's system.  I would actually be quite curious to what it would look like if McD called the D with Edmunds still in it, but obviously that won't be happening.  

 

For whatever reason, they frequently use Edmunds more like a 3rd safety than an attacking LB.  And my personal opinion as to why is I think because of Edmunds freakish athleticism they feel like he can make up a lot of ground fast.  They did seem like they turned Edmunds more loose this year too and he ended up having his best year where he was used to attack the ball more.  

 

We will see what happens in Chicago, but I think Edmunds is going to prove better than all the people cheering his departure think.  People cheered Fletchers departure too and regretted it later.  

 

I was fine not resigning him as we need to divert some of the money from the D into the offensive line now, but I do think Edmunds is going to do well in Chicago.  

 

Just my 2 cents  

Edited March 14, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[FireChans]

26 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

Oooooooof. I think the fan base was too hard on Edmunds but that is just way too much money. Edmunds and Milano are a lot alike in play.

 

But $18 million a year? Heck no for me

 

Milano is the exact opposite. Not exactly a physical specimen, not huge, not super fast but extremely instinctual and way better at making big plays which is why he’s way better and also why he’s a Buffalo Bill and Tremaine isn’t.

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am not sure why they used him different, but they definitely did.  Personally, I think while the system installed was McD's, I think it had more to do with how Frazier moved the pieces around and called plays inside McD's system.  I would actually be quite curious to what it would look like if McD called the D with Edmunds still in it, but obviously that won't be happening.  

 

For whatever reason, they frequently use Edmunds more like a 3rd safety than an attacking LB.  And my personal opinion as to why is I think because of Edmunds freakish athleticism they feel like he can make up a lot of ground fast.  They did seem like they turned Edmunds more loose this year too and he ended up having his best year where he was used to attach the ball more.  

 

We will see what happens in Chicago, but I think Edmunds is going to prove better than all the people cheering his departure think.  People cheered Fletchers departure too and regretted it later.  

 

I was fine not resigning him as we need to divert some of the money from the D into the offensive line now, but I do think Edmunds is going to do well in Chicago.  

 

Just my 2 cents  

I am excited that the question of whether this is McDermott’s defense will finally be answered based on what we see this year. 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

The Bears are a mess. It’s strange how many people think that GM has potential. They make really poor decisions and Fields isn’t the guy. 

Nothing you said is close to true. They made a great trade and loaded up on high picks and got a number 1. Their receivers, one of the worst groups in nfl, are now better than ours. They have a ton of cap room and have added good pieces. Now I know a 24 year old MLB who constantly played in top 5 defense must suck but a lot teams would enjoy getting a player like this. 
 

As far as fields sucking, his second year numbers are very similar to Allen’s. But I guess Allen is the only young qb who can improve. And if fields does suck, they have a ton of picks to grab a guy next year and he will step into a good situation. 
 

when they over/ under wins some out, let’s circle back and put some money on it. Deal?

[Chicken Boo]

3 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Yeah but we’re fans so we can knock him for being a mediocre player.

 

Which he is.

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Just now, MrEpsYtown said:

I am excited that the question of whether this is McDermott’s defense will finally be answered based on what we see this year. 

Well now they got right of awful Frazier and terrible Tremaine, we should easily see our defense rise from our awful finish of, checks notes, first. 
 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well now they got right of awful Frazier and terrible Tremaine, we should easily see our defense rise from our awful finish of, checks notes, first. 
 

 

Fair point!

[C.Biscuit97]

5 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Milano is the exact opposite. Not exactly a physical specimen, not huge, not super fast but extremely instinctual and way better at making big plays which is why he’s way better and also why he’s a Buffalo Bill and Tremaine isn’t.

Agreed on the instincts but OLB is a lot easier to be instinctive than MLB. 
 

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I am excited that the question of whether this is McDermott’s defense will finally be answered based on what we see this year. 

 

I am also excited to see how the defense plays if McD calls the plays myself.  The defense is getting a little make over though, so hopefully we fill the new holes with competent players too where McD can be aggressive in games.  

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am not sure why they used him different, but they definitely did.  Personally, I think while the system installed was McD's, I think it had more to do with how Frazier moved the pieces around and called plays inside McD's system.  I would actually be quite curious to what it would look like if McD called the D with Edmunds still in it, but obviously that won't be happening.  

 

For whatever reason, they frequently use Edmunds more like a 3rd safety than an attacking LB.  And my personal opinion as to why is I think because of Edmunds freakish athleticism they feel like he can make up a lot of ground fast.  They did seem like they turned Edmunds more loose this year too and he ended up having his best year where he was used to attack the ball more.  

 

We will see what happens in Chicago, but I think Edmunds is going to prove better than all the people cheering his departure think.  People cheered Fletchers departure too and regretted it later.  

 

I was fine not resigning him as we need to divert some of the money from the D into the offensive line now, but I do think Edmunds is going to do well in Chicago.  

 

Just my 2 cents  

 

Not sure why you think it was that different. And if it really was, then that is even worse for Edmunds because Keuchly has far, far better pass defense numbers.

 

Might have been a little different with different DCs, but it was largely the same role in the same scheme.

 

I'm not happy Edmunds is gone. I think it will be a bigger hole to fill than most Bills fans are giving him credit for. But from what I've gone back and watched, he and Keuchly had the same or very similar jobs. Keuchly was just better all around. Whether defending passes, or attacking runners. Maybe it was the difference in skill that made it look like very different roles, haha.

[Alphadawg7]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Milano is the exact opposite. Not exactly a physical specimen, not huge, not super fast but extremely instinctual and way better at making big plays which is why he’s way better and also why he’s a Buffalo Bill and Tremaine isn’t.

 

Milano is a Bill and Tremaine isn't because Milano got drafted and paid first.  We couldn't afford to pay both, and need to invest in the offense as well.  Especially with what Tremaine got in the open market.  But keep you biased hit campaign going, I know its your schtick.  

Edited March 14, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Milano is a Bill and Tremaine isn't because Milano got drafted and paid first.  We couldn't afford to pay both, and need to invest in the offense as well.  Especially with what Tremaine got in the open market.  But keep you biased hit campaign going, I know its your schtick.  

Bills could have easily traded Milano for a decent pick and then paid Edmunds. 
 

I think they just value Milano more. 

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not sure why you think it was that different. And if it really was, then that is even worse for Edmunds because Keuchly has far, far better pass defense numbers.

 

Might have been a little different with different DCs, but it was largely the same role in the same scheme.

 

I'm not happy Edmunds is gone. I think it will be a bigger hole to fill than most Bills fans are giving him credit for. But from what I've gone back and watched, he and Keuchly had the same or very similar jobs. Keuchly was just better all around. Whether defending passes, or attacking runners. Maybe it was the difference in skill that made it look like very different roles, haha.

1 - LK is a borderline HOF and was born with MLB instincts. So that’s a hard comparison.

 

2 - https://buffalowdown.com/2023/02/17/buffalo-bills-tremaine-edmunds-pff-improved/amp/

 

its pff so take it for it’s worth but TE was the best cover LB last year.

 

I get the money but it’s crazy that with an awful DC and a soft MLB we had the number one defense. 

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Bills could have easily traded Milano for a decent pick and then paid Edmunds. 
 

I think they just value Milano more. 

How much do lbs get in trades? Honestly, I don’t remember a big return for a LB. Also, Milano is cheaper. That helps too. I think MM is the better player but if the costs were similar, it would be a tougher decision. 

[Chaos]

44 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

you don’t pay guys like Tre White and an average tight end big money

White and Dawson and Von Miller were three of our highest paid players last season.  The level of production we got out them (Miller was zero after injury), is one of the key reasons we floundered in the playoffs.  If you look at what the Chiefs, niners, Eagles and Bengals got out of their top paid players, the difference is astounding. 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

1 - LK is a borderline HOF and was born with MLB instincts. So that’s a hard comparison.

 

2 - https://buffalowdown.com/2023/02/17/buffalo-bills-tremaine-edmunds-pff-improved/amp/

 

its pff so take it for it’s worth but TE was the best cover LB last year.

 

I get the money but it’s crazy that with an awful DC and a soft MLB we had the number one defense. 

How much do lbs get in trades? Honestly, I don’t remember a big return for a LB. Also, Milano is cheaper. That helps too. I think MM is the better player but if the costs were similar, it would be a tougher decision. 

Maybe a Day 2 pick.. Young All Pro LB on a solid multi-year contract.  

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Not sure why you think it was that different. And if it really was, then that is even worse for Edmunds because Keuchly has far, far better pass defense numbers.

 

Might have been a little different with different DCs, but it was largely the same role in the same scheme.

 

I'm not happy Edmunds is gone. I think it will be a bigger hole to fill than most Bills fans are giving him credit for. But from what I've gone back and watched, he and Keuchly had the same or very similar jobs. Keuchly was just better all around. Whether defending passes, or attacking runners. Maybe it was the difference in skill that made it look like very different roles, haha.

I just felt like they attacked more with Luke and used Edmunds more off the ball.  

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Maybe a Day 2 pick.. Young All Pro LB on a solid multi-year contract.  

I love Milano but no one trades good picks for LBs, especially OLB who aren’t double digit sack guys. They are the rbs of defense.