Draconator Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Edited March 13, 2023 by Draconator 22 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Makes a lot of sense. Happy to have him as a return specialist, and backup plan (as 3rd down back if something were to happen to Cook). 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Glad he’s back, he was criminally underused. the most head scratching aspect of the entire year was the major emphasis on finding multiple pass catching backs, only to never use them. 19 35 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I'd love to see these incentives. Given his lack of opportunities, I'm surprised he wants to be back in Buffalo. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Good. I like him as a ST threat and rotational back 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Glad he’s back, he was criminally underused. the most head scratching aspect of the entire year was the major emphasis on finding multiple pass catching backs, only to never use them. yeah head scratching for sure. draft a guy like Cook and Shakir and barely use them to catch passes SMH 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Was occasionally electric at KR. Does this make lil drrty expendable? 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Beane is a wizard in getting players to take pay cuts but then guaranteeing the lower contract. Win-win for both Bills and players. Just did the same thing with Tim Settle to save another 600K. Edited March 13, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) Was hoping for something like this. Really wanted Hines to stay, but not at the contract he had. Very fair way to handle it. Edited March 13, 2023 by BarleyNY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Beane is a wizard in getting players to take pay cuts but then guaranteeing the lower contract. Win-win for both Bills and players. Just did the same thing with Tim Settle to save another 600K. didn't see this any where but Settle helped out with the cap as well. Buffalo Bills, defensive tackle Tim Settle agree to renegotiated contract 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Would argue our best special teams returner since a young Eric Moulds in addition to being a pretty darn good third down back 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Maybe we'll actually design RB screens this year. 3 2 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Glad he’s back, he was criminally underused. the most head scratching aspect of the entire year was the major emphasis on finding multiple pass catching backs, only to never use them. Only so many snaps. Who do you take off the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, 78thealltimegreat said: Would argue our best special teams returner since a young Eric Moulds in addition to being a pretty darn good third down back I think with an off-season he will show up more in the offense as well 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: didn't see this any where but Settle helped out with the cap as well. Buffalo Bills, defensive tackle Tim Settle agree to renegotiated contract I posted it in the restructuring thread yesterday afternoon, but probably should have done a new thread on it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, SWATeam said: Glad he’s back, he was criminally underused. the most head scratching aspect of the entire year was the major emphasis on finding multiple pass catching backs, only to never use them. Recall reading that one of the issues they had was right after they traded for Hines, Allan got hurt, then the blizzard. So left few if any practices for Allen to work with Hines to get on same page. Seem to recall reading that by later Nov or so the two of them had only 3 or 4 practices together so was hard to be on same page. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Would argue our best special teams returner since a young Eric Moulds in addition to being a pretty darn good third down back You forgot about Terrance McGee on Kickoffs. And Leodis McKelvin on punts. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Only so many snaps. Who do you take off the field? Not the point. Bills went after McKissic, signed Duke Williams, drafted Cook, traded for Hines. There was clearly an emphasis to add this dimension to the offense. had to be some sort of disconnect between the front office and coaching staff. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Only so many snaps. Who do you take off the field? McKenzie. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Was occasionally electric at KR. Does this make lil drrty expendable? Yes, McKenzie is gone 2 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Was occasionally electric at KR. Does this make lil drrty expendable? L'il Dirty makes L'il Dirty expendable. 3 6 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 well, between him and cook we have more speed, pass catching, and athletic ability at RB than we have to start a season since lynch was still here. lets hope we get a target or two, some blocking, and our OC uses them well. we improved last year on O imo because we ran better and had more consistent numbers averaging the same. our total melt down in the playoffs makes me pause on that happy report, but i think w a couple better players this allen lead O could be a record setter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, SWATeam said: Not the point. Bills went after McKissic, signed Duke Williams, drafted Cook, traded for Hines. There was clearly an emphasis to add this dimension to the offense. had to be some sort of disconnect between the front office and coaching staff. Go lower. Like onto the field. Josh was dumping off to Singletary and Cook the first 4-5 games, as designed, and they were starting to light it up. Our offense was clicking. Then he just stopped. Folks can blame it on the elbow injury, and that may be the case. But we did start the season throwing to the RBs, and they were still there and wide open underneath the rest of the season. We just stopped throwing it to them and instead bombed it out for low percentage throws. 3 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 9 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I posted it in the restructuring thread yesterday afternoon, but probably should have done a new thread on it. Nah you did the right thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, CapeBreton said: I'd love to see these incentives. Given his lack of opportunities, I'm surprised he wants to be back in Buffalo. He's still able to make 5 mill next season with incentives. Who else is paying that for a kick returner? 18 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Was occasionally electric at KR. Does this make lil drrty expendable? He had nearly 500 yards from scrimmage and 5 TDs. Hines returned 2 kicks for TD, in a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Was occasionally electric at KR. Does this make lil drrty expendable? If we find another WR that's better than him, his time could be up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, SWATeam said: Not the point. Bills went after McKissic, signed Duke Williams, drafted Cook, traded for Hines. There was clearly an emphasis to add this dimension to the offense. had to be some sort of disconnect between the front office and coaching staff. I ask again, who do you take off the field? The way it worked out they had a rookie who they didn’t fully trust. When Hines arrived Cook was starting to get more work and play with confidence. Do you bench Cook? No. They were kind of stuck. Hines was likely more of a future trade when it happened. Knowing Singletary was walking. Trying to get Moss carries to raise his value also was a problem. A lot of personnel decisions on offense didn’t go as planned. RB and WR definitely didn’t go as planned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Smart move on the part of both parties. Nines will have a full season to impress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Was hoping to this. Really wanted Hines to stay, but not at the contract he had. Very fair way to handle it. Does anyone know exactly how they handled it yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He's still able to make 5 mill next season with incentives. Who else is paying that for a kick returner? He had nearly 500 yards from scrimmage and 5 TDs. Hines returned 2 kicks for TD, in a game. Lil Dirty is actually quite good in the red zone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cablesabres68 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Go lower. Like onto the field. Josh was dumping off to Singletary and Cook the first 4-5 games, as designed, and they were starting to light it up. Our offense was clicking. Then he just stopped. Folks can blame it on the elbow injury, and that may be the case. But we did start the season throwing to the RBs, and they were still there and wide open underneath the rest of the season. We just stopped throwing it to them and instead bombed it out for low percentage throws. After week 9 it stopped cuz Josh couldn't make those short precise throws because of the elbow he was a lot more hurt than we all knew and it's been explained multiple times he couldn't make the short accurate throws because of the strain and stress it put on the UCL and long throws don't need that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Would argue our best special teams returner since a young Eric Moulds in addition to being a pretty darn good third down back McGee was pretty good imho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I ask again, who do you take off the field? The way it worked out they had a rookie who they didn’t fully trust. When Hines arrived Cook was starting to get more work and play with confidence. Do you bench Cook? No. They were kind of stuck. Hines was likely more of a future trade when it happened. Knowing Singletary was walking. Trying to get Moss carries to raise his value also was a problem. A lot of personnel decisions on offense didn’t go as planned. RB and WR definitely didn’t go as planned. The great thing about Hines/Cook is both can line up in the backfield or go out wide as a WR. If used properly it can be a dangerous thing as defenses won't be able to key on either one. That said neither have the size IMHO to be a short down back that can get a two year run with defenses expecting a run, that's when you bring on a bigger RB (I like Chris Rodriguez Jr from Kentucky as a 5th Round pick). Or take out a WR and get a blocking/short yardage TE. Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said: McGee was pretty good imho McGee was our best return man ever. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: McKenzie. McKenzie ran a pretty full route tree. I'm not saying what the Bills do - it depends on who they bring in, surely - but I don't think you look at Hines and McKenzie as equivalent at all. One thing is, McKenzie is owed a roster bonus of $250,000 this Fri, so if they cut him, they likely cut him this week. My guess is that he comes into camp and competes. Edited March 13, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: The great thing about Hines/Cook is both can line up in the backfield or go out wide as a WR. If used properly it can be a dangerous thing as defenses won't be able to key on either one. That said neither have the size IMHO to be a short down back that can get a two year run with defenses expecting a run, that's when you bring on a bigger RB (I like Chris Rodriguez Jr from Kentucky as a 5th Round pick). Or take out a WR and get a blocking/short yardage TE. This is what I do in Madden all the time. (It’s Madden, I get it, but the offensive philosophy applies in real football.) Allen flanked by Cook and Hines in the backfield. Usually call an RPO or play action and put someone in motion presnap. Too many weapons and moving pieces to key in on while still defending Allen’s running threat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: The great thing about Hines/Cook is both can line up in the backfield or go out wide as a WR. If used properly it can be a dangerous thing as defenses won't be able to key on either one. That said neither have the size IMHO to be a short down back that can get a two year run with defenses expecting a run, that's when you bring on a bigger RB (I like Chris Rodriguez Jr from Kentucky as a 5th Round pick). Or take out a WR and get a blocking/short yardage TE. McGee was our best return man ever. I think there is a good chance Hines is still the 3rd RB and kick/punt returner. I would like to see the Bills release McKenzie and use Hines in the old McKenzie role prior to last season. Bring in a veteran slot WR. Edited March 13, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: The great thing about Hines/Cook is both can line up in the backfield or go out wide as a WR. If used properly it can be a dangerous thing as defenses won't be able to key on either one. That said neither have the size IMHO to be a short down back that can get a two year run with defenses expecting a run, that's when you bring on a bigger RB (I like Chris Rodriguez Jr from Kentucky as a 5th Round pick). Or take out a WR and get a blocking/short yardage TE. I don't disagree in principle, but my first reaction when I read that is "how are they at pass protection?" RBs typically improve in pass pro between year 1 and 2, so Cook may step up. I don't recall Hines being very good at it. Of course, if we had a better OL to start with and a QB more willing to take the short pass option, it could be less of a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 24 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said: You forgot about Terrance McGee on Kickoffs. And Leodis McKelvin on punts. Leodis sucked 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Does anyone know exactly how they handled it yet? Not exactly. From the tweets we have: - reduced contract - ability to earn back the reduced money (and more) through incentives - conversion of some salary to signing bonus That all tracks very well. Obviously the details could tell a different story, but so far so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Beck Water said: McKenzie ran a pretty full route tree. I'm not saying what the Bills do - it depends on who they bring in, surely - but I don't think you look at Hines and McKenzie as equivalent at all. One thing is, McKenzie is owed a roster bonus of $250,000 this Fri, so if they cut him, they likely cut him this week. My guess is that he comes into camp and competes. Did he? I felt McKenzie was a limited route runner. A lot of crossers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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