Lamar Jackson wants guarantees that exceed Watson contract

[QLBillsFan]

35 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:

Giving out guarantees at signing for up to 3 seasons seems to be the generally accepted limit. Cousins got a fully guaranteed contract - but it was only 3 seasons. I believe that only Cleveland went beyond that to 5.

You are correct on Cousins are 3 year 💯.. but yes 3 has been the max until the Watson deal. 

[Southern_Bills]

Supposedly the guy turned down 133M over 3 years fully guaranteed. Which is 44.xxM/yr.

 

If that's true he's a fool, if you want guaranteed contracts obviously they will be shorter. No one besides the desperate browns are paying 50M/yr for 5 years guaranteed. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

The longer this goes on, the more the Ravens better hope someone with a top 10 pick signs him to an offer sheet or they will be going into next season with 2TD Huntley

I don’t think so. If Lamar didn’t sign the tag and sits out the season then he wouldn’t get an accrued season right? Which means the Ravens can just do it again next year. Lamar’s value goes down if that happens. 
 

Personally I don’t think he is worth what he apparently wants but I think his best bet is to play, completely ball out with this new OC, stay healthy, and at least win a playoff game. If he does that then I think Lamar would hold the cards and at least get close to what he wants from somebody. 
 

i don’t think the guy is a good enough passer for that contract. I do however like him. I think he is a good guy and also a very exciting player to watch. So, I hope he does just that… play, prove me wrong, and get the deal of his dreams. 

[Doc Brown]

On 3/11/2023 at 10:54 AM, BillMafia716ix said:

Lamar messed up playing this past season I would have sat out. But it’s wild that so many QB needy teams would rather gamble with a rookie QB than sign a proven winner in the prime of his career. 

It would be more of a gamble than DeShaun Watson was for the Browns considering Lamar runs a lot more.  Two first round picks and at least 230 million guaranteed over five years is quite the price.

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It would be more of a gamble than DeShaun Watson was for the Browns considering Lamar runs a lot more.  Two first round picks and at least 230 million guaranteed over five years is quite the price.

sure, but doesn’t Watson’s off the field history also make him a ridiculous gamble for the Browns? Yes, if Watson does something similar again (allegedly), the Browns most likely would not be on the hook to pay him out (because he’ll be suspended or outright banned from the league). But they would still be back at square one, with no QB, and having F*ed the market up, for nothing. Honestly I hope that happens. 

[Doc Brown]

8 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

sure, but doesn’t Watson’s off the field history also make him a ridiculous gamble for the Browns? Yes, if Watson does something similar again (allegedly), the Browns most likely would not be on the hook to pay him out (because he’ll be suspended or outright banned from the league). But they would still be back at square one, with no QB, and having F*ed the market up, for nothing. Honestly I hope that happens. 

Both are/would be huge gambles but like you said the offsetting language in Watson's contract makes it slightly less risky imo.  Watson played three straight seasons in Houston without missing a game due to injury before demanding a trade.  Good massage therapists I guess.

[Albany,n.y.]

5 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Fair enough, I trusted what I’ve read in numerous places. It looks like 11, and not 15.  It’s still a lot. A guy who misses 5-6 games in each of the most recent seasons is not a guy I want to give 100% guaranteed money to. I’ll admit, I don’t even want JOSH to be fully guaranteed, but that’s a personal thing.

 

Lamar has bad timing. Missing five games a year for a couple seasons, especially considering his size and style of game, is concerning. It’s also curious that there was mystery surrounding his injury and return late last year.

 

Good representation helps deal with the image factor. His Mommy is doing him no favors. There should have been a better message regarding his status last season, instead of letting his status and availability for the playoffs to be questioned. Was it injury…..or the contract that kept him out? Nobody should have to wonder that. It’s a bad look. 

 

I don’t hate the player, but I hate fully guaranteed deals with guys who may not be there to earn the checks. I feel badly for him, because I feel he needs better advice. 

 

 

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I totally agree. On Facebook I've answered numerous memes that are saying he deserves 100% guarantees that since he only played about 70% of the games, the maximum guarantee should not be greater than 70%.  Personally, I think he's very talented, but since the best ability is availability, I would hate to be with a team that is going to pay him all the money he'll end up getting.  Until proven otherwise, his team cannot count on him playing more than 70% of their games.  That's just not good enough for a franchise QB.   

[Locomark]

Who wants to give a highly guaranteed deal to some guy who had been largely hurt for 2 straight years and gets hit constantly and is a run first guy? Zero takers on that Lamar! His ego is self restricting his own value. Every year his value will go down because every year he gets older and farther away from his MVP year and it’s quite likely he will have more leg injuries. He’s blowing it and I will bet he will become a cautionary tale of what not to do. He thinks he is standing up for his rights because he doesn’t want an agent getting a slice but in reality it’s all about ego and not wanting someone to tell him what I just said. He needs to get the long term big money deal while he still can. 

[Albany,n.y.]

3 hours ago, DCofNC said:

And he should have taken it, the money he stood to “lose” by signing early, was/would have been easily made up in the time value of the money.  Had he signed them and had a reasonable investor take his signing bonus to make him money, he’d be up 50-100% on that right now and be looking at another handful of restructures that hand him more bags of cash.  Instead he tried to maximize the per year cash and waited, it was a stupid gamble and he’s cost himself a fortune, then got hung up on an outlier contract that he again needs to move on from because he now has exactly zero leverage and is going to play for less than he should even in his prime negotiation phase.   Lesson to the youngsters, if you wouldn’t hire your mom to be you surgeon if she wasn’t one, you shouldn’t be hiring her as an agent if she wasn’t one.  Ego and emotion have cost the man millions if not hundreds of millions at this point.

Josh has already grossed about $42 million more than Lamar the last 2 years.  At the time Josh signed Lamar was not missing games like he has the last 2 years.  No matter what he signs for, he won't make up for the fact he could have already pocketed a lot more by now with an agent.  

[DCofNC]

2 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Josh has already grossed about $42 million more than Lamar the last 2 years.  At the time Josh signed Lamar was not missing games like he has the last 2 years.  No matter what he signs for, he won't make up for the fact he could have already pocketed a lot more by now with an agent.  

Exactly 

[Dr.Sack]

Lamar is going to Tampa. 

[Captain Hindsight]

14 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

What's he done since the MVP year? I think 33 TD passes compared to Josh Allen who has 71.

Lamar:

59 passing TDs and 12 rushing TDs in his last 39 games (3 seasons). Total TD ratio of 1.8 per game 

7881 yards passing (202 yards per game) and 2536 rushing yards (65 yards per game) 267 total yards per game 

 

Josh:

108 Passing Tds and 21 Rushing TDs in his last 49 games (3 seasons) Total TD ratio of 2.6 per game 

13,234 passing yards (270 yards per game) and 1946 rushing yards (39 yards per game) 309 total yards per game 

 

Over 17 game season that's a difference of 714 total yards and 13.6 Tds

 

All that said, Lamar has plenty of shortcomings and I don't think he is the same level of player as JA or Mahommes, or Burrow even, but he is a good player and should get a very lucrative contract 

[TheFunPolice]

as many have said, there's really no "making up the lost money" for Lamar

 

He could have had 40+ million more the past 2 seasons. Whatever he gets going forward he would have had anyway, on top of that extra 40+ million.

 

He is getting paid pennies on the dollar so far, which sucks to see. He's sticking to his principles, which I respect, but I just want to see the man get his $$ and maybe even go the NFC

[BBFL]

Just now, TheFunPolice said:

as many have said, there's really no "making up the lost money" for Lamar

 

He could have had 40+ million more the past 2 seasons. Whatever he gets going forward he would have had anyway, on top of that extra 40+ million.

 

He is getting paid pennies on the dollar so far, which sucks to see. He's sticking to his principles, which I respect, but I just want to see the man get his $$ and maybe even go the NFC

The sticking point becomes injuries. You have to feel that’s the only reservation Baltimore is having in fronting all of that money. On the dichotomy of the guaranteed money… Makes sense why Lamar is pushing for it. You have a QB out there who got it. You’re the cornerstone to that franchise’s current success. Who knows how long you’ll play or if you’ll ever even complete 16/17 games a season again. 
 

 

[TheFunPolice]

1 minute ago, BBFL said:

The sticking point becomes injuries. You have to feel that’s the only reservation Baltimore is having in fronting all of that money. On the dichotomy of the guaranteed money… Makes sense why Lamar is pushing for it. You have a QB out there who got it. You’re the cornerstone to that franchise’s current success. Who knows how long you’ll play or if you’ll ever even complete 16/17 games a season again. 
 

 

 

Lamar's tweet was interesting... I wonder if he would do a 3 year deal if it was 100% guaranteed? It's less total $$ but in 3 years he would be able to cash in again for even more, one would think. 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

YES YOU STILL NEED AN AGENT

[Royale with Cheese]

I like Lamar as a person...or how he presents himself to the public.  But man, he's being stupid here.

 

If you don't like the numbers you're being offered, get an agent.  You are obviously not doing a good enough job yourself.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

 

4pm TODAY, the window opens for other teams to start talking with Lamar. We'll see how it goes...

[BBFL]

4 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Lamar's tweet was interesting... I wonder if he would do a 3 year deal if it was 100% guaranteed? It's less total $$ but in 3 years he would be able to cash in again for even more, one would think. 

 

 

Just keep playing on the tags then 😂

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I like Lamar as a person...or how he presents himself to the public.  But man, he's being stupid here.

 

If you don't like the numbers you're being offered, get an agent.  You are obviously not doing a good enough job yourself.

Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know?

[TheFunPolice]

Here's the thing... Who leaks those stories about Lamar supposedly turning down huge guaranteed $$ offers?

 

Lamar doesn't benefit because it makes him look unreasonable and probably drives off potential suitors (if he turned down $200 million guaranteed already then we're definitely out...)

 

Ravens benefit, IMO, because they look like they have been totally reasonable with Lamar AND they drive off any potential other teams, leaving Lamar with no option but to come back to them for whatever $$ they are willing to pay. And IF in the unlikely event some other team signs him to a huge deal they will look like they did everything possible to keep him for the PR spin. 

[BBFL]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know?

Worked out for Roquon Smith within the same organization…

 

🤷‍♂️

[TheFunPolice]

4 minutes ago, BBFL said:

Just keep playing on the tags then 😂

 

He could maybe negotiate a 2 year, $100 million deal, all guaranteed. It would make the franchise tag after a huge $$, basically guaranteeing him $150 million in 3 years. 

 

What if the real issue is that he just doesn't want to play in Baltimore? You can't come out and say that as a QB, but if you're the victim of an unfair team then people get it and fans will be angry at the Ravens instead of Lamar if he leaves. 

 

Thus all these stories being leaked that the Ravens offered Lamar the moon and stars and he turned it down or just wouldn't answer/engage with them (and Lamar mocking the stories on Twitter). 

Edited March 15, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, FrenchConnection said:

Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know?

 

He's an MVP, he's an electric game-changing QB.

 

He is on no commercials. He is on no billboards. He has minimal endorsements, and he and his mom are not good at finding that part of the business. Folks are assuming that is why he wants a deal like Watson's, since both are relying on football for all of their money (Watson isnt getting any endorsements anytime soon either).

 

He has left SOOOO much money on the table by not having a professional, well-connected agent. He'd be swimming in dough, and his brand would be booming, if he signed with someone like Rosenhaus. So much more than the 3% he saved upfront. Dumb, dumb moves.

[BBFL]

1 minute ago, TheFunPolice said:

Here's the thing... Who leaks those stories about Lamar supposedly turning down huge guaranteed $$ offers?

 

Lamar doesn't benefit because it makes him look unreasonable and probably drives off potential suitors (if he turned down $200 million guaranteed already then we're definitely out...)

 

Ravens benefit, IMO, because they look like they have been totally reasonable with Lamar AND they drive off any potential other teams, leaving Lamar with no option but to come back to them for whatever $$ they are willing to pay. And IF in the unlikely event some other team signs him to a huge deal they will look like they did everything possible to keep him for the PR spin. 

The offers, from what have been reported, look absolutely reasonable. It’s business. Both sides want to see them get maximum value from their target area/price. Some times you got to give a little… Something Lamar seems totally unwilling to do. Definitely don’t agree with it but again like the previous post, the reasons are understandable as to why he’s being so stubborn. 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, BBFL said:

Worked out for Roquon Smith within the same organization…

 

🤷‍♂️

 

Smith is a low profile LB who majored in Economics.

 

Lamar, on the other hand, didnt go to Louisville to play school.

[BBFL]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He's an MVP, he's an electric game-changing QB.

 

He is on no commercials. He is on no billboards. He has minimal endorsements, and he and his mom are not good at finding that part of the business. Folks are assuming that is why he wants a deal like Watson's, since both are relying on football for all of their money (Watson isnt getting any endorsements anytime soon either).

 

He has left SOOOO much money on the table by not having a professional, well-connected agent. He'd be swimming in dough, and his brand would be booming, if he signed with someone like Rosenhaus. So much more than the 3% he saved upfront. Dumb, dumb moves.

Networking more often than not is #1. There can be isolated cases but these connections bring more than just a playing contract. Rose hay’s is a perfect example you reference. 👍

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Here's the thing... Who leaks those stories about Lamar supposedly turning down huge guaranteed $$ offers?

 

Lamar doesn't benefit because it makes him look unreasonable and probably drives off potential suitors (if he turned down $200 million guaranteed already then we're definitely out...)

 

Ravens benefit, IMO, because they look like they have been totally reasonable with Lamar AND they drive off any potential other teams, leaving Lamar with no option but to come back to them for whatever $$ they are willing to pay. And IF in the unlikely event some other team signs him to a huge deal they will look like they did everything possible to keep him for the PR spin. 

 

The Ravens leak them. Everyone knows where they are coming from because it's either the team or the agent, and Lamar doesnt have an agent. He just pops off directly on twitter. He doesnt have an agent playing the other side of the game against the team.

 

This isnt a secret or a trick.

[TheFunPolice]

6 minutes ago, BBFL said:

The offers, from what have been reported, look absolutely reasonable. It’s business. Both sides want to see them get maximum value from their target area/price. Some times you got to give a little… Something Lamar seems totally unwilling to do. Definitely don’t agree with it but again like the previous post, the reasons are understandable as to why he’s being so stubborn. 

 

Which makes me think he wants to play somewhere else but doesn't want to come out and say that. A franchise QB coming out and saying "I want out of here" is a total heel turn type move that not even Rodgers is doing. Even he (Rodgers) has been framing it as a "mutual decision" and based on where the Packers are.

 

 

"Lamar forced his way out of Baltimore when they bent over backwards to accommodate him, even building an entire offense around his skillset so he could succeed " vs "the Ravens refused to pay Lamar what he is worth so he had to go somewhere else to get what he has earned" are 2 totally different PR spins

Edited March 15, 2023 by TheFunPolice

[BBFL]

22 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

 

4pm TODAY, the window opens for other teams to start talking with Lamar. We'll see how it goes...

So with the clock ticking in this saga what team/s do you think, if any, send an offer Lamar’s way?

Commanders?

Snyder’s big F.U. pièce de résistance To the NFL? Won’t have to pay the contract if he’s phased out. 

Edited March 15, 2023 by BBFL

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said:

Lamar and his mom were really fixated on not giving up that 3% during the draft process. And by this point, he's been so public about this that he cannot really back down. I think that it's cost him a lot more than 3%, but what do I know?

It’s my understanding from the NFL that some agents and these big deals will go at 1%. He certainly could have and still could say  I’m giving 1% and that’s it. I’m sure an agent would take it. But his arrogance and hubris of showing how much he’s been offered ,as why he doesn’t need an agent makes no sense. It’s unfortunate he’s taken this position. But to me it signals a lack of big picture understanding in his role as a team leader. Feeling fortunate the Bills have JA and not just for his on field ability. 

Edited March 15, 2023 by QLBillsFan

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

He's an MVP, he's an electric game-changing QB.

 

He is on no commercials. He is on no billboards. He has minimal endorsements, and he and his mom are not good at finding that part of the business. Folks are assuming that is why he wants a deal like Watson's, since both are relying on football for all of their money (Watson isnt getting any endorsements anytime soon either).

 

He has left SOOOO much money on the table by not having a professional, well-connected agent. He'd be swimming in dough, and his brand would be booming, if he signed with someone like Rosenhaus. So much more than the 3% he saved upfront. Dumb, dumb moves.

I believe that Gronk made more money in endorsements than salary, Mahomes likely is in a similar boat. Jackson might want to do the other stuff but 3% of even 300 million is not as much as he could make otherwise easily. 

[Inigo Montoya]

LAMAR JACKSONQB, BALTIMORE RAVENS

 

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reports the Ravens have been "involved in the free agent quarterback market." 

"The Ravens, who face uncertainty around Lamar Jackson's future, have been involved in the free agent quarterback market," was Fowler's exact report. "(They have looked) into options such as Baker Mayfield and Jacoby Brissett before they signed with Tampa and Washington, per league sources. Baltimore appears to be looking for flexibility." That's a spicy meatball, though it's still not a sign in and of itself they expect to be without Jackson for 2023. They could just be looking for a more reliable backup after Tyler Huntley took a major step back in 2022. It is still intriguing with Jackson and the Ravens clearly at contract loggerheads. 

 

https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/710/lamar-jackson

 

At some point Lamar is going to force the Raven's hand.  Wasn't the last offer $44mm a year for three years fully guaranteed?  That's a legit offer from the Ravens.  If Lamar won't agree to a market value contract the Ravens are going to have to start looking at other long term options.

[DrDawkinstein]

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, we're off!

 

4:15pm opened the window for teams talking to Lamar. We'll see if any suitors come calling. And the Ravens get to sit back and see what anyone negotiates with him, and decide to match it or take their picks.

[DrDawkinstein]

 

 

5 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

At some point Lamar is going to force the Raven's hand.  Wasn't the last offer $44mm a year for three years fully guaranteed?  That's a legit offer from the Ravens.  If Lamar won't agree to a market value contract the Ravens are going to have to start looking at other long term options.

 

If I'm Baltimore and Lamar leaves, I'm taking my two 1sts, rolling through this season with Huntly, and going into the next draft with two 1sts ready to move up and get a QB.

 

They're in a position to just chill and wait now.

 

Worst case is Lamar doesnt get any offers he likes and plays on the tag this year. He's dumb enough to do it.

[Doc]

8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

If I'm Baltimore and Lamar leaves, I'm taking my two 1sts, rolling through this season with Huntly, and going into the next draft with two 1sts ready to move up and get a QB.

 

They're in a position to just chill and wait now.

 

Worst case is Lamar doesnt get any offers he likes and plays on the tag this year. He's dumb enough to do it.

I’d be incredibly surprised if any team offers him a contract. I’d actually be willing to put money on it. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

I’d be incredibly surprised if any team offers him a contract. I’d actually be willing to put money on it. 

 

He wants a ridiculous top dollar fully guaranteed contract AND you have to give up a couple first round picks? That’s a painful double whammy, and I think you are correct. 

[Udubalum07]

I think he will have to play this year.  On about 15 million less than what he turned down.  He is a specialty scheme qb that is not worth what teams would have to give up. 

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

He wants a ridiculous top dollar fully guaranteed contract AND you have to give up a couple first round picks? That’s a painful double whammy, and I think you are correct. 

I  wonder if he’s willing to offer a team concessions if he gets hurt?  I doubt it but it could make the contract more palatable. 

[DrDawkinstein]

6 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

He wants a ridiculous top dollar fully guaranteed contract AND you have to give up a couple first round picks? That’s a painful double whammy, and I think you are correct. 

 

I dont think many teams would do it, but it just takes one.

 

Tell me Blank wouldnt do it. The city would be instantly electrified for the season.