Matt_In_NH Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Lee Smith still gets false starts 2 years after he leaves the team.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I trust Lee Smith's opinion. Comes across as a smart and grounded guy. Has experience in this room. I'm cool with what he says. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: For a first year OC he really wasn't terrible, giving the guy another year to improve isn't that ridiculous. Begs the question - why was Dorsey given the job in the first place? Lack of OL and WR were clearly limitations but I find it surprising that his inexperience is used as an excuse for the poor showing in the playoffs. While every season ticks by with yet another excuse, Allen gets one year closer to retirement Edited February 14, 2023 by Fan in Chicago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, JohnNord said: You may be right about fixing the offense but I feel the opposite about Dorsey. Talent was an issue on offense for sure - especially on the OL and maybe at WR. But if you give Dorsey a pass on talent, why not Frazier? It seems like he was handicapped from the lack of talent as well - due to injury. He had to scheme around a secondary that was missing 3/4 of the starters for most of the year. Sometimes all 4 starters. It wasn’t a huge issue since they could get pressure with 4. Once Miller went down he had to revamp how he called defense. I think Frazier needs to change some things on the defense but his track record of finishing in the Top 10 defensively is impressive. I think the problem Frazier had was the complexity of the defense they run. It is very much a team defense. It's built in a way that each player is asked only to do things that he can execute well, and other players' assignments are determined by what the guys around them are expected to do. So, when you're playing without the pre-injury White, you're not just replacing White, you're giving the guys around White some slightly different assignments. When Edmunds misses time, you're asking the whole backfield to cover differently. When Hyde goes down, you're reshaping a lot of stuff. And when Miller goes down, ditto. What I saw was a group of guys being asked to change their own games because of key injuries, all season long. You can get away with Damar Hamlin growing into the job replacing Hyde, but you can't adjust quickly to Jaquan Johnson or Dean Marlowe stepping in, because with those guys on the field, Poyer's responsibilities will change, and White's, and Edmunds, Milano and Taron Johnson, too. It's in the nature of the defense. Now, that's true to some extent for every team, but I think it's particularly true of the Bills. Tre White isn't a true shut-down corner, but he's a great player because he's been able to think along with Poyer and Hyde to play really nuanced coverages. Elam and Benford couldn't possibly fill that role for the first half of the season (altho Benford was pretty good at it), and there was nothing Frazier could do about it. Just play the rookies and try to get them up the learning curve. And the way to cover for their weaknesses is to adjust the responsibilities of Hyde and Poyer, but Poyer was in and out and Hyde was gone. So, Frazier was trying to get Hamlin to play his own position AND help cover for the rookie corners. I think Frazier was looking at a more complex problem than we'd like to think. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Man, I love the fan reaction! Here is a guy who has spent a dozen years in pro football locker rooms, who is a recognized team leader, who is a close friend of several of the Bills players, and yet, when he gives his opinion, fans here throw it out like it means nothing. Players know when the coaching works and when it doesn't. They know when the season didn't work because, well, it just didn't work this year. They know. And that's what we're hearing from Smith. He's telling us these players - with these coaches - are ready to move forward. He's clearly saying that 2022 was an unusual year, everyone on the team knows it, and they'll be a powerhouse team again in 2023. For me, I think it's quite interesting to hear his perspective. Partially agree. But when do you hear 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc before a guy is fired that that people dont like them or they suck? Not very often. Its always they are great, need time, people dont get it, dont see it, blah blah blah. Then woof, they are fired and everyone now says how terrible they were. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Búfalo Blanco Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Sit on my couch next season and use my credit card on something else perhaps. Watch “Rudy” on repeat. At least then I can witness a happy ending. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, ngbills said: Partially agree. But when do you hear 1 year, 2 years, 3 years, etc before a guy is fired that that people dont like them or they suck? Not very often. Its always they are great, need time, people dont get it, dont see it, blah blah blah. Then woof, they are fired and everyone now says how terrible they were. Yeah, but it's McDermott's way. He is careful about the kind of guys he hires, just like he's careful about the kind of players he wants. When he hires them, he has extreme confidence that they can do what he needs, and when they don't do it, he has extreme confidence that they will learn, because he hires learners. Once he's hired them, he's going to stick with them. I'm sure that's how he feels about Frazier, and I'm sure that's how he feels about Dorsey. He trusts their ability to learn and adapt. If he didn't trust it, he would replace them. Now, people may not agree with his decisions, and that's on McDermott. But as I've said for a few days in these threads, it's pretty hard to complain about the results McDermott has had in six seasons as a head coach. (People still complain, but really, be serious. He's piling up wins like a HOF coach.) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Lee is just defending people he played with. I’m not sure if he has actual credibility on whether or not we can criticize play calling. His general point of let’s see what happens next year is fine though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Why are Buffalo fans always so angry? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, arcane said: Based Lee Smith Pure cringe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Yeah, but it's McDermott's way. He is careful about the kind of guys he hires, just like he's careful about the kind of players he wants. When he hires them, he has extreme confidence that they can do what he needs, and when they don't do it, he has extreme confidence that they will learn, because he hires learners. Once he's hired them, he's going to stick with them. I'm sure that's how he feels about Frazier, and I'm sure that's how he feels about Dorsey. He trusts their ability to learn and adapt. If he didn't trust it, he would replace them. Now, people may not agree with his decisions, and that's on McDermott. But as I've said for a few days in these threads, it's pretty hard to complain about the results McDermott has had in six seasons as a head coach. (People still complain, but really, be serious. He's piling up wins like a HOF coach.) Its the hard part with really good but not great results. Much easier to identify that change is needed when the team sucks. My hope is that McD doesn't buy into the we could be doing worse mindset that a lot of people have. With him it can be hard to tell if he has the killer instinct and championship mentality. We have seen he is a good coach but is he willing to do whatever it takes to get to the top is a different story. And I will add the O is not his expertise so this is where he has the least to offer in terms of grooming a OC. You could argue that is why you hire a guy like Daboll that was ready for the job than someone green as Dorsey with not much support. So maybe they need to bring in somebody to help with that. Edited February 14, 2023 by ngbills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Lee simply has different expectations than our fanbase does. Lee's happy to be competitive, fans want to win it all. There have been lot's of good coaches and "good men" worth having their character and careers defended. Fans don't care, we want to know what it's going to take to win it all. I didn't see Lee put his marbles on the table that this will be our year, or that Dorsey can bring it home this year. Just that we'll be good. I'm sorry but for most fans THAT won't be good enough. Of course we'll be good we have JA17. The real question is can Dorsey put together a Superbowl winning year. IDK the answer, but I'm not keen on wasting prime years of JA's career. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, JohnNord said: Let’s hope that Lee Smith is right! I have my reservations about him as OC. Yet another way to say "stay the course" while second year coach Siriani takes his team and year 3 QB to the Superbowl and plays competitively. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: For a first year OC he really wasn't terrible, giving the guy another year to improve isn't that ridiculous. yeah, but it's the way he said it. Smith wouldn't even make this team, BTW. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Terrifying in a good way? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: For a first year OC he really wasn't terrible, giving the guy another year to improve isn't that ridiculous. I don’t know man, he didn’t live up to my expectations, 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Yeah, but it's McDermott's way. He is careful about the kind of guys he hires, just like he's careful about the kind of players he wants. When he hires them, he has extreme confidence that they can do what he needs, and when they don't do it, he has extreme confidence that they will learn, because he hires learners. Once he's hired them, he's going to stick with them. I'm sure that's how he feels about Frazier, and I'm sure that's how he feels about Dorsey. He trusts their ability to learn and adapt. If he didn't trust it, he would replace them. Now, people may not agree with his decisions, and that's on McDermott. But as I've said for a few days in these threads, it's pretty hard to complain about the results McDermott has had in six seasons as a head coach. (People still complain, but really, be serious. He's piling up wins like a HOF coach.) MCD won't sniff the HOF without multiple SB appearances and/or a win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: MCD won't sniff the HOF without multiple SB appearances and/or a win. I didn't say that. I said he's winning like a HOF coach, and that's statistically correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: Pure cringe The bills will bootyblast these ***** teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I will always respect Lee smith for lasting as long as did in the nfl without actual talent. Impressive. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I've been anti-Dorsey, but Smith's rant does remind me of something that I had sort of ceased considering - which is that Dorsey absolutely hates to lose and will work his ass off to fix any deficiencies in his playbook this offseason. Dorsey isn't the type to just coast on his "success" with the no. 2 offense in the NFL. He's going to continue to improve. Let's just hope it's fast enough to get us to a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 lol did he even play for us when dorsey was here? 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 a very bias opinion... our offensive line needs to be top 10 not bottom 15 and until that happens? the OC is going to continue to look like trash cause of the system he is running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 48 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why are Buffalo fans always so angry? i blame the weather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 "Stay on your couch and worry about how you make a living and not about Ken Dorsey." Are we not able to multi-task? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 He's so right. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 I can't afford a couch and my chair only has 3 legs.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just now, HOUSE said: I can't afford a couch and my chair only has 3 legs.. take one off and turn it into a rocker then.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said: take one off and turn it into a rocker then.... I can't afford a saw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just now, HOUSE said: I can't afford a saw make one by hand out of rock 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Ok Lee. I’ll take your advice and hold on. From the expert in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: I can't afford a saw You can afford the internet and a device to access TBD... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just now, MJS said: You can afford the internet and a device to access TBD... those are necessities', a saw is not... lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 Just now, MJS said: You can afford the internet and a device to access TBD... I use my neighbors internet, I hacked in years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, nucci said: I'm not bitching about 13 win seasons. I'm bitching about losing in the playoffs. So many people miss this part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, teef said: i blame the weather. Eh, there are miserable people in Hawaii. One of the things I respect about Buffalo people is how they are so positive about terrible weather. They will say it’s a great day out when it’s 30 degrees and sunny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 3 hours ago, RiotAct said: Stay on y’alls couch and go back to y’alls little jobs!!! I wonder if his advice about focusing on our own jobs extends to Sundays at 1 pm? I mean, it is odd to hear that fans are not allowed to have their own opinions about something that they consume. It’s even more confusing to hear that from someone making a very comfortable living off of that product. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, JohnNord said: https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2023/02/former-bills-tight-end-tells-fans-to-get-off-ken-dorsey-the-bills-are-going-to-be-terrifying-next-year.html Former Bills TE Lee Smith wants you to give Ken Dorsey a break! He spoke with Matt Parrino and Ryan Talbot of the Bills SHOUT podcast to discuss some of the fan criticism. Before you trash Lee…he was also complimentary of the fan base and he does think great things are on the horizon next year. Here’s what he said: “Now we’re bitching about 13-win seasons, so it’s like give me a break,” Smith said on the show. “I’m anti-fan sometimes. I watched Josh Allen get booed off the field when I first came back (in 2019). So it’s like give me a break. Stay on your couch and worry about how you make a living and not about Ken Dorsey. He’s a really good coach. He’s a really good man.” “Ken Dorsey, Josh Allen the combination of those two dudes man - just take a deep breath, relax,” Smith said. “Obviously Daboll was really, really good. Dorse will fix (it). It’s his first year being a coordinator man. Go back to Brian Daboll’s first year being a coordinator. I’m not sure if it was great or bad or anywhere in between - I wasn’t with Dabes his first year as a coordinator but give (Dorsey) a break. Nobody wants to fix those little inefficiencies more than Ken Dorsey does. Let him attack this offseason.” “Watch what Dorse and Josh do next year together. It’s gonna be scary guys,” Smith said. “I’m just telling y’all, I’m telling y’all right now the Buffalo Bills are going to be terrifying next year with the rejuvenation and the healing that hopefully takes place this offseason. Just from this crazy tragic eight months.” Let’s hope that Lee Smith is right! I have my reservations about him as OC. **** him. 13 seconds was a complete coaching collapse. We pay the bills and can hold them to whatever standard we want. Lee is entitled to his opinion as far as I am concerned can have a seat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Ray Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 It's fine for him to defend Dorsey and express optimism for next year, but to belittle fans in that manner? Not necessary, because while there may be some that want Dorsey fired, the majority of the criticism about his play calling in certain situations is warranted. Fans are allowed to criticize last time I checked. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Eh, there are miserable people in Hawaii. One of the things I respect about Buffalo people is how they are so positive about terrible weather. They will say it’s a great day out when it’s 30 degrees and sunny. that's because 30 degrees and sunny is awesome this time of year. it's the going 17 days straight without having to wear sunglasses that breaks me down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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