NoSaint Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I didn't see where it affected JSS at all. The only slowdown I saw was when he was turning from running parallel to the sideline to turning it up field and that's when the pull you posted happened. The pull is in the direction JSS is trying to go so I don't see how that brief second of a pull changed anything. the phrase “any grab of the jersey” is actually in the nfl video rule book as a separate fully standalone clause separate from the impeding the player clause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Curious to know what you think of Chris Simms' take: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/super-bowl-lvii-eagles-james-bradberry-holding-penalty-was-right-call I'm not arguing it wasn't a hold by definition. Never tried to make that argument because yes, technically it is a hold, but so are a heck of a lot of other plays. I just don't agree they should've called it based on the severity of it, how they called the entire rest of the game, and the impact such a call would have on the game. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/2/13/23597435/holding-call-super-bowl-eagles-chiefs-james-bradberry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Rigotz said: "The NFL is losing me as a fan" I type on the message board of my favorite team's website, as I hit the refresh button and wait for responses. These threads are so phony. No one who has ever posted such has been "lost as a fan". And the "part time ref" stuff is no more a cogent argument now than when it was first made by some whiner or another decades ago. OP should just stop watching----but leave us out of it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 11 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: And plays like that happen literally all the time and are not called. I'm not going over this again with you. You have your thoughts; I have mine and you aren't going to be changing mine so you might as well stop trying. You're acting like I'm the only one that sees them. Do you ever wonder why “that moment “ is the moment to not call it? I think it was the Tampa game last year where we were freaking out because Diggs couldn’t get a holding call all game? Then the final play of regulation he gets held bad and no call. If you watch the right angle of the Bradberry play the jersey pulls. In that moment with JuJu breaking wide open and Mahomes throwing the ball his way, don’t you have to call it? Doesn’t it change how the game ends by not calling it as well? I understand the rest of the game they let stuff go, but this play was for the game. With that said I’m always pro no call but this play was different IMO. Kind of reminded me of the Buccaneers no calls in the Bills game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the phrase “any grab of the jersey” is actually in the nfl video rule book as a separate fully standalone clause separate from the impeding the player clause. OK is there a point? Do you not pay attention to how many jersey grabs happen over the course of a game against both offenses and defenses? Like I said, I'm not even debating if it was a hold by definition, but yet you keep trying to convince me of something I've never disputed. 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Do you ever wonder why “that moment “ is the moment to not call it? I think it was the Tampa game last year where we were freaking out because Diggs couldn’t get a holding call all game? Then the final play of regulation he gets held bad and no call. If you watch the right angle of the Bradberry play the jersey pulls. In that moment with JuJu breaking wide open and Mahomes throwing the ball his way, don’t you have to call it? Doesn’t it change how the game ends by not calling it as well? I understand the rest of the game they let stuff go, but this play was for the game. With that said I’m always pro no call but this play was different IMO. Kind of reminded me of the Buccaneers no calls in the Bills game. I simply didn't see the impact of the jersey grab as being significant enough to alter the outcome of the play. Had he kept holding the jersey, sure, but it was over in a blink. That, based on how they called the rest of the game, it was like they changed up their "discretion" starting with that play. Edited February 13, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Buckets said: I was afraid that I was the only one. I don't get reved up about football like I used to. Same, I’m even losing it over the Bills. For me the whole thing is starting to wreak of a soap opera. SO much virtue signaling, idiotic cometary, blatant steering of games through the officials, etc. It’s harder and harder to GAF every year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Curious to know what you think of Chris Simms' take: https://www.nbcsports.com/video/super-bowl-lvii-eagles-james-bradberry-holding-penalty-was-right-call I just watched this, and apparently they were not able to get the actual video from the game from Fox, but instead they showed a bunch of still photos, AND IN THOSE PHOTOS, NONE OF THEM SHOWED THE ACTUAL JERSEY HOLDING THEY KEPT REFERRING TO! LOL Yes, I have seen video of it though, and seen the momentary jersey grab by the CB, at full speed, and like many others, think that it should not have been called. JSS was not noticeably restrained. 12 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the phrase “any grab of the jersey” is actually in the nfl video rule book as a separate fully standalone clause separate from the impeding the player clause. I can plainly see offensive players who are blocking...especially linemen and tight ends...grabbing jerseys EVERY...SINGLE...PLAY, of every single game. So like others are saying, it's done virtually ALL THE TIME. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bob Jones said: I just watched this, and apparently they were not able to get the actual video from the game from Fox, but instead they showed a bunch of still photos, AND IN THOSE PHOTOS, NONE OF THEM SHOWED THE ACTUAL JERSEY HOLDING THEY KEPT REFERRING TO! LOL Yes, I have seen video of it though, and seen the momentary jersey grab by the CB, at full speed, and like many others, think that it should not have been called. JSS was not noticeably restrained. We never get the full shot the ref had for whatever reason. They never showed the jersey pull shot for whatever reason also. JuJu breaks open after the hold. Imagine if there was no hold. Remember the hold also helps Bradberry recover as he’s beat bad. Put both videos together. Bradberry needed the hold to help stay with JuJu. He’s literally going the wrong way, holds JuJu to pull closer. Edited February 13, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Blame capitalism. Seriously. The never ending flight of trying to make the most money will never end. Players are now movie stars. Everything is a show. Its exhausting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick_Cheney Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: I'm not arguing it wasn't a hold by definition. Never tried to make that argument because yes, technically it is a hold, but so are a heck of a lot of other plays. I just don't agree they should've called it based on the severity of it, how they called the entire rest of the game, and the impact such a call would have on the game. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/2/13/23597435/holding-call-super-bowl-eagles-chiefs-james-bradberry This is the correct take. Sure, it was technically a hold. But such behavior had been allowed all game long. The arbitrary enforcement was horrendous, and the timing of the call to essentially determine the winner is inexcusable. The worst part is there won't be any real fallout from this. Nothing will change in regards to referees or officiating overall. It's just brutal. I can't stand either franchise, but moments like that don't exactl help what integrity the game has left, and it's already problematic enough. There's got to be a better way, and I'm sure that there is, but the league simply won't give a ***** until they really notice it in their bottom line. And I'm pretty sure profits are at an all time high. Maybe I'm too young in my 30s and it's always been like this, or worse. But now with as many technological aspects for possible solutions there are, combined with the league going all in on unholy amounts of gambling, something needs to change. It's got to be tightened up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 hours ago, nucci said: Eagles player admitted to holding. If that was a Bills receiver and it wasn't called, this place would have gone nuts. If it was still ruined for you then you probably should stop watching Stats also admit that that was the only instance in the entire game in which a DB held receiver. it was a ticky tac penalty to decide the champion. A penalty that occurs on almost every pass play. A penalty that decided the champion. couldn’t have been a worse ending to the season. Fitting 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 I keep hearing the argument that “it had been allowed all game”. Is there any actual evidence of that? And the grab might not have effected the WR that much but it definitely allowed Bradberry to be stickier in his coverage. I didn’t love the call but if your complaint is ‘yeah, it’s a penalty but they could’ve called it the entire game’ then show everybody where else in the game a DB grabbed a guy’s jersey and it wasn’t called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: We never get the full shot the ref had for whatever reason. They never showed the jersey pull shot for whatever reason also. JuJu breaks open after the hold. Imagine if there was no hold. Remember the hold also helps Bradberry recover as he’s beat bad. Even the dude who made the tweet acknowledges in wasn't egregious and for the call to come there I think it has to be. It's literally game deciding. This is my take on it and this is the last time I'm talking about it because at this point, everyone is just repeating themselves. If the refs called every tug, pull, hook, and grab that happens over the course of the game on both the OL/DL battles and in the secondary between receivers and DBs, we'd be there all night watching them make holding calls, that according to the rulebook, are legit holding calls by definition. But we don't see that. We see it to different extents every game. Why is that? Because the refs are using their discretion. On this play in particular, I didn't see it as impacting the outcome of the play and based on how they called the rest of the game, I was of the opinion, this play fell in-line with that and there should've been no flag. Obviously, people have different opinions. That's mine and I would've preferred a no-call there and we see if the Chiefs D can stop Philly from scoring after their FG on 4th and 8. I didn't care about who won, I simply don't like seeing games decided that way, especially a Super Bowl. Whenever possible, let them play. What I'm saying is basically the same thing as this article. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/2/13/23597435/holding-call-super-bowl-eagles-chiefs-james-bradberry Edited February 13, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChevyVanMiller Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, pocoboy said: I hate to say it, but I don't feel that they want guys like me as consumers anymore. I don't tune in for theatrics, politics, or the type of pop music that litters this "spectacle." And then, we finally get to the true reason that those who are their loyal, week-in and week-out customers tune in, and then they have systems in place which allow for 1 of 7 underpaid, part-time officials to ruin our primary focus. They take the game and turn it into a mockery. All of this thrown together, and it gives me the feeling I have better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons. Goodell & the NFL are ruining something I've loved since childhood. And I even wanted (ever so slightly) for the Chiefs to win. See you in September. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, NoSaint said: If you want to go back to it happening all night, I won’t pursue that point with you until you provide actual reference material either To be fair, it was occuring throughout the night, the below was on the third KC possession, CB is tugging the jersey. This was on 3rd down. I only remember the play because JSS was also hooked and turned on his route and I thought, well if they aren’t calling that tonight they aren’t calling anything. Pretty clear Valdez-Scatling is getting the jersey pulled here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: To be fair, it was occuring throughout the night, the below was on the third KC possession, CB is tugging the jersey. This was on 3rd down. I only remember the play because JSS was also hooked and turned on his route and I thought, well if they aren’t calling that tonight they aren’t calling anything. Pretty clear Valdez-Scatling is getting the jersey pulled here. I appreciate it- I think the context of consistent vs inconsistent is everything on this one. I’m surprised that we are getting random celeb tweets and not more of these clips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Even the dude who made the tweet acknowledges in wasn't egregious and for the call to come there I think it has to be. It's literally game deciding. This is my take on it and this is the last time I'm talking about it because at this point, everyone is just repeating themselves. If the refs called every tug, pull, hook, and grab that happens over the course of the game on both the OL/DL battles and in the secondary between receivers and DBs, we'd be there all night watching them make holding calls, that according to the rulebook, are legit holding calls by definition. But we don't see that. We see it to different extents every game. Why is that? Because the refs are using their discretion. On this play in particular, I didn't see it as impacting the outcome of the play and based on how they called the rest of the game, I was of the opinion, this play fell in-line with that and there should've been no flag. Obviously, people have different opinions. That's mine and I would've preferred a no-call there and we see if the Chiefs D can stop Philly from scoring after their FG on 4th and 8. I didn't care about who won, I simply don't like seeing games decided that way, especially a Super Bowl. Whenever possible, let them play. What I'm saying is basically the same thing as this article. https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2023/2/13/23597435/holding-call-super-bowl-eagles-chiefs-james-bradberry We still don’t see the full shot. But we definitely see a jersey pull. I don’t think anyone can say if it was egregious or not. It’s totally subjective. I personally see JuJu’s momentum slow in on shot and I see Bradberry pull closer with the hold. Every tug and hold isn’t going to prevent a WR from breaking wide open in the final 2 minutes of a game. This one does. I’ve always said that fans and media don’t care about non calls as much. In our eyes it’s better to not make the call, let them play. This is exactly what is happening. It’s a clear as day hold that changes the end of the game. We don’t want it called because we don’t want to even see a ref in that moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: To be fair, it was occuring throughout the night, the below was on the third KC possession, CB is tugging the jersey. This was on 3rd down. I only remember the play because JSS was also hooked and turned on his route and I thought, well if they aren’t calling that tonight they aren’t calling anything. Pretty clear Valdez-Scatling is getting the jersey pulled here. It was the same thing on the OL/DL battles. I remember several plays on both sides where it looked to be a clear case of offensive holding and the flag never came. The only thing I remember even remotely close to that was the illegal hands call against Suh. There were some obvious false starts and Offside, but no holding. None. How many games have you watched this year where you could say that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: I appreciate it- I think the context of consistent vs inconsistent is everything on this one. I’m surprised that we are getting random celeb tweets and not more of these clips Yea, it’s the inconsistency for me. Thought the refs set out their stalls fairly early in the game by not calling things like this. Which I’m fine with, just don’t come back to it later in the game. And if you look at the penalties called through the game. There wasn’t a PI called on the defense. There wasn’t a holding call on either OL. The penalties were procedure penalties, Offside, false start, delay of game etc. Just thought based on how they were calling the game to that point, it was odd to call that defensive holding there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meatloaf63 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, streetkings01 said: It looked like holding to me. People just mad because it’s the Chiefs. When you watched the game nobody on the Eagles was complaining…..they knew the call was legit. I don’t know, I wanted the Chiefs and I felt a little dirty after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 7 hours ago, Ga boy said: I think I see your point, but haven’t flags been picked up on the grounds of being uncatchable??? For pass interference, yes. But not holding. You can even have holding if the football was not thrown to the player being held. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleTheWagons99 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, nucci said: Eagles player admitted to holding. If that was a Bills receiver and it wasn't called, this place would have gone nuts. If it was still ruined for you then you probably should stop watching If it was a Bills player it would not have been called. No if about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 In a game we think is rigged already we’re spending the day saying an obvious penalty shouldn’t be called because it would change the outcome of the game. This world is amazing. 😂 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: In a game we think is rigged already we’re spending the day saying an obvious penalty shouldn’t be called because it would change the outcome of the game. This world is amazing. 😂 Maybe it was rigged in favor of KC. That's the beauty of paying off the ref; he has enormous power to alter the outcome of a game, especially if it's close. Calling a defensive hold can be done on any passing play, and if it's the right time, it will give the offense a free set of downs. That's if you want to favor the offensive team. Also, you can call an offensive holding call on any play, and that often kills drives. The officials have enormous power to alter games with just those 2 penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artem Lipatov Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Huge disappointment. I'm not Eagles fan and not Chiefs hater. But referee spoiled the game. He stole the show. Super Bowl. 35-35, 2 minutes left. I felt what a great game! I expected dramatic end. And this flag turned SB to BS. Just gifted the title to Mahomes. NFL are making superstar of him. Superstar needs more titles for heritage. In semifinal Bengals coach got mad when refs gave Mahomes to repeat 3rd down instead of punt, Mahomes was sacked, but refs again gave flag for DB holding and 1st down. it was 4th qtr score 20-20. Brick-By-Brick, the NFL Losing Me As A Fan too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: Maybe it was rigged in favor of KC. That's the beauty of paying off the ref; he has enormous power to alter the outcome of a game, especially if it's close. Calling a defensive hold can be done on any passing play, and if it's the right time, it will give the offense a free set of downs. That's if you want to favor the offensive team. Also, you can call an offensive holding call on any play, and that often kills drives. The officials have enormous power to alter games with just those 2 penalties. Nice of Bradberry to follow the script then. Edited February 13, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 8 hours ago, nucci said: Eagles player admitted to holding. If that was a Bills receiver and it wasn't called, this place would have gone nuts. If it was still ruined for you then you probably should stop watching Quoted for absolute truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Finally found a smart man on Twitter that saw it like I saw it. Bradberry was toast and grabbing JuJu kept him from going the complete other direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Malazan said: I think you're overlooking the real problem. It's not whether that 1 call decided the game.. it's that every conversation around any game often ends up more about egregious calls or non-calls. Why did several much more obvious penalties go uncalled and then this one get called? That is the particular problem the NFL has with it's officiating. If a penalty *could* be called on every play then there's a massive problem with the rulebook and the rules are so complex that they can't be enforced appropriately and consistently by the officials then you need to make changes. People will always complain though on either side of the result, so the perception you make reinforces itself. If that's not called, and PHI puts together a drive, it's the same song 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: For pass interference, yes. But not holding. You can even have holding if the football was not thrown to the player being held. Kinda crazy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo Junction Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 9 hours ago, streetkings01 said: The ball wasn’t in the air. The WR ran a whip route(terrible one at that), the DB was holding before he even dropped his hips to explode back they other way…..the pass was in the air once he got loose. It was holding…..We’ve seen Tre White get flagged 4-5 times this season for the same thing. The issue is that the refs hadn’t been calling that penalty earlier in the game. Bradberry got away with the same grabby coverage on several similar routes during the game. Changing what is and is not going to be called in the last five minutes of the game incenses the fans and causes controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 hours ago, pocoboy said: I hate to say it, but I don't feel that they want guys like me as consumers anymore. I don't tune in for theatrics, politics, or the type of pop music that litters this "spectacle." And then, we finally get to the true reason that those who are their loyal, week-in and week-out customers tune in, and then they have systems in place which allow for 1 of 7 underpaid, part-time officials to ruin our primary focus. They take the game and turn it into a mockery. All of this thrown together, and it gives me the feeling I have better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons. Goodell & the NFL are ruining something I've loved since childhood. And I even wanted (ever so slightly) for the Chiefs to win. Quote 10 hr pocoboy changed the title to Brick-By-Brick, the NFL Losing Me As A Fan You forgot to include LAMP in subject indicating you wanted attention like a child holding his or her breath turning blue which is a Bills color. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 hours ago, nucci said: If you're a football fan that was a great game to watch. If you didn't like it then you should probably move on to another sport Correction it was a great game until the refs ruined it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 10 hours ago, pocoboy said: I hate to say it, but I don't feel that they want guys like me as consumers anymore. I don't tune in for theatrics, politics, or the type of pop music that litters this "spectacle." And then, we finally get to the true reason that those who are their loyal, week-in and week-out customers tune in, and then they have systems in place which allow for 1 of 7 underpaid, part-time officials to ruin our primary focus. They take the game and turn it into a mockery. All of this thrown together, and it gives me the feeling I have better ways to waste my Sunday afternoons. Goodell & the NFL are ruining something I've loved since childhood. And I even wanted (ever so slightly) for the Chiefs to win. Cry me a river. There's no totally objective way to call penalties in any sport, so there are always going to be "bad" calls, "non-calls", and untimely calls. They are part of any game, not just the NFL, so if you don't like it, take up fishing or running ... just don't do it competively because tournaments and races have rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: Maybe it was rigged in favor of KC. That's the beauty of paying off the ref; he has enormous power to alter the outcome of a game, especially if it's close. Calling a defensive hold can be done on any passing play, and if it's the right time, it will give the offense a free set of downs. That's if you want to favor the offensive team. Also, you can call an offensive holding call on any play, and that often kills drives. The officials have enormous power to alter games with just those 2 penalties. im sure the nfl loves the headlines and that the eagles didn’t get a shot at a legendary comeback drive or possible overtime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Finally found a smart man on Twitter that saw it like I saw it. Bradberry was toast and grabbing JuJu kept him from going the complete other direction. Look at my post…..I said the same exact thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 hours ago, kota said: blaming a game on a ref is lol. These are bang bang plays. Rams vs. Saints NFC Championship game would disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 There was no “hear me out”, so I didn’t. 😋 They need to keep crews together (not the All Star refs that led to the Saints getting screwed in the worst high profile call EVER), and IMO they should be well paid, full time employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epstein's Mother Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 37 minutes ago, Limeaid said: You forgot to include LAMP in subject indicating you wanted attention like a child holding his or her breath turning blue which is a Bills color. Does this surprise you? His screen name is literally "little boy". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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