Big Turk Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 It's taken me a while but our scheme just basically relies on Allen to be a superhero too much. Basically if he is off, or the other team has a great scheme against him, we have a hard time consistently playing well on offense. Sure we will get our plays because Allen is still Allen. But it's got to the point that we need to stop taking that for granted and get him some help. It's like when you have a great worker who can make up for 3 people being out by piling more work on him. Sure...that works for a while but then you eventually burn that worker out and when something comes up that needs all his attention other areas start failing since he can't bail them out. I guess what I am saying is we need more answers on offense that don't include Josh Allen being an alien, because our offense relies on that more than any other in the NFL. 3 2 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Fix the OL, I mean LEGITIMATELY FIX the OL, and this team performs a lot different. He's running for his life every week. He was hurried on over 50% of his drop backs today and hit numerous times. This is after the disaster we saw last week. 8 1 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, H2o said: Fix the OL, I mean LEGITIMATELY FIX the OL, and this team performs a lot different. He's running for his life every week. He was hurried on over 50% of his drop backs today and hit numerous times. This is after the disaster we saw last week. We have maybe two starting-caliber OL right now in Dawkins (who is massively overrated) and Morse. Brown is solid but I think he's been playing hurt this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, NUT said: Stop building the D-Line, get more talent on OL and weapons. The defense will fall in the rankings, but you win SB's with offense these days. the high dollar high pick rotation certainly hasn’t won me over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, NUT said: Stop building the D-Line, get more talent on OL and weapons. The defense will fall in the rankings, but you win SB's with offense these days. Defence can’t get much worse than today , so there is that as well 2 minutes ago, Roundybout said: We have maybe two starting-caliber OL right now in Dawkins (who is massively overrated) and Morse. Brown is solid but I think he's been playing hurt this season. Did you just say Spencer brown is solid?.. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: We have maybe two starting-caliber OL right now in Dawkins (who is massively overrated) and Morse. Brown is solid but I think he's been playing hurt this season. Brown is surely part of the problem. Bates is meh. Saffold definitely needs to be sent packing. Hopefully Morse comes back. This offseason is going to be huge in how this team moves forward. Either we see the necessary sweeping changes or they continue with the same failed experiments at various positions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Josh wants to do crazy things. When you have a kid that acts out, he needs more discipline and structure. Not someone to enable them and say yea do whatever you want. It's chaos out there 1 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said: Defence can’t get much worse than today , so there is that as well Did you just say Spencer brown is solid?.. I thought he was good as a rookie and has regressed due to injury, slump, or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HurlyBurly51 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Daboll is missed more than many care to admit. 5 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Are you a fan of the Defensive scheme? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Roundybout said: I thought he was good as a rookie and has regressed due to injury, slump, or both. That’s fair. He definitely had a descent rookie year. But ya whatever the reason, he had a bad year this year IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Perfectly said here. 2 1 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Daboll is missed more than many care to admit. Agreed. And it became an issue coming out of the bye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, BillsFan130 said: That’s fair. He definitely had a descent rookie year. But ya whatever the reason, he had a bad year this year IMO Agreed. Seems like he gets beat badly on speed rushes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, NUT said: Stop building the D-Line, get more talent on OL and weapons. The defense will fall in the rankings, but you win SB's with offense these days. This all day. The ONLY possible position I want to see drafted on defense in the first 3 picks is safety, that's it. The draft should be heavy on Oline and weapons, period 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 21 minutes ago, Big Turk said: It's taken me a while but our scheme just basically relies on Allen to be a superhero too much. Basically if he is off, or the other team has a great scheme against him, we have a hard time consistently playing well on offense. Sure we will get our plays because Allen is still Allen. But it's got to the point that we need to stop taking that for granted and get him some help. It's like when you have a great worker who can make up for 3 people being out by piling more work on him. Sure...that works for a while but then you eventually burn that worker out and when something comes up that needs all his attention other areas start failing since he can't bail them out. I guess what I am saying is we need more answers on offense that don't include Josh Allen being an alien, because our offense relies on that more than any other in the NFL. It is because that is how this Coach and Front office Built it. Allen and Diggs. worst OL in the playoffs (yes worse than MIA and CINCY with their BUs). worst weapon group in the playoffs. bit ***** so glad we keep investing in Defense because you know in this NFL the defense becomes immediately irrelevant against Top offenses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The only touchdown was a QB sneak, and the padded “Josh turns the ball over” needless INT at the end to keep that truthful narrative alive and well means this offensive is in need of something positive. So looking forward to what that actually is, you know, by all those gray hoodie guys that get paid to do their jobs well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry jones Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 They need to completely overhaul the OL and be more creative in the running game. JA has reached a ceiling with this current system. The guy can’t do it all by himself. With the number of hits he takes, he’ll never make it to his 30’s in the NFL. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 All they had to do was run it with Singletary with quick hitters more often and throw shorter methodical passes in this weather. Look at the percentage of yards Mahomes, Hurts and others have in their offenses. I don't agree this is a problem but I understand everyone is upset about the loss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaMilBill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Our strength is our offense. Defense just needs to be serviceable. First off, we need a better OC. One who can scheme players open and has more creative looks. Who that is? I don’t know. secondly, we need a better o line who can establish the run. Tbh, we should probably go o line in rounds 1 and 3. thirdly, we need a WR 2. Gabe ain’t it. He’s a number 3. Draft one in the second round this year IMO. You also need to consider this position takes a couple years to develop and Diggs probably won’t get an extension. So this position needs to be invested in 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Daboll is missed more than many care to admit. I never thought that we wouldn't miss him. Daboll is in a different universe than Dorsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, HurlyBurly51 said: Daboll is missed more than many care to admit. ok, but I remember constant issues with "play calling" and "scheme" when he was here. What specifically did the team accomplish with Dabol they did not this year? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, VaMilBill said: Our strength is our offense. Defense just needs to be serviceable. First off, we need a better OC. One who can scheme players open and has more creative looks. Who that is? I don’t know. secondly, we need a better o line who can establish the run. Tbh, we should probably go o line in rounds 1 and 3. thirdly, we need a WR 2. Gabe ain’t it. He’s a number 3. Draft one in the second round this year IMO. You also need to consider this position takes a couple years to develop and Diggs probably won’t get an extension. So this position needs to be invested in That's how KC does it. However their DC gets the most out of his talent in big games unlike Frazier who seems to do that until we play a really good offense, then he gets exposed. Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 It’s just glorified back yard football. Do better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, H2o said: Fix the OL, I mean LEGITIMATELY FIX the OL, and this team performs a lot different. He's running for his life every week. He was hurried on over 50% of his drop backs today and hit numerous times. This is after the disaster we saw last week. When you spend nearly 70% of you FA / Draft assets on a failed playoff defense that's the result. Let's sign some mediocre Jags on the OL and ask Josh to be superhuman. What could possibly go wrong. For nearly 5 years Sean was selfish and put his defensive needs ahead of protecting QB1. Shame on you Sean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 39 minutes ago, buffblue said: This all day. The ONLY possible position I want to see drafted on defense in the first 3 picks is safety, that's it. The draft should be heavy on Oline and weapons, period And by weapons we mean guys with blazing speed that make plays please for the love of everything holy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 49 minutes ago, NUT said: Stop building the D-Line, get more talent on OL and weapons. The defense will fall in the rankings, but you win SB's with offense these days. I agree with the OLINE, SAFFOLD & MORSE can go. Move Bates to center and bring in two nasty big guards. We still need to address DLINE, their is no I'm going to destory the man in front of me attitude. It's the trenches we need tough aggressive linemen on both sides. Edited January 23, 2023 by BBills_88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BBills_88 said: We still need to address DLINE At this point, why would we invest more resources with the current regime? Helping Josh Allen should be the primary focus Edited January 23, 2023 by buffblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 49 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Josh wants to do crazy things. When you have a kid that acts out, he needs more discipline and structure. Not someone to enable them and say yea do whatever you want. It's chaos out there Just said this to my son, Daboll was a father figure, Dorsey is like an older brother. Josh needs to be reined in and re introduced to the short game. I feel a large part of that is Dorsey. This years O was anything but a well oiled machine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 52 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: It is because that is how this Coach and Front office Built it. Allen and Diggs. worst OL in the playoffs (yes worse than MIA and CINCY with their BUs). worst weapon group in the playoffs. bit ***** so glad we keep investing in Defense because you know in this NFL the defense becomes immediately irrelevant against Top offenses. I totally disagree with this take of yours and you can go back to the last few SB's for actual proof. It was the defense of the Rams that won that SB last year, 7 sacks and were in Burrows face all game long. The Bengals defense were also really good with 2 sacks, 2 INT and that's why the game was so close. How about the Bucs vs Chiefs SB? 3 sacks, 2 INT, 0 TD passes or rushing TD and they harassed Mahomes the entire game. Brady only threw for 201 yards yards that game. To think we can just let the defense ***** the bed and hope to win a SB like that is stupid. Make smart moves in FA like another Lorax pickup or something like that because there is no way we can afford to re-sign everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills_88 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 11 minutes ago, buffblue said: At this point, why would we invest more resources with the current regime? Helping Josh Allen should be the primary focus We need bigger DLINE, Look at the JETS, EAGLES, Baltimore and others. Our Dline gets pushed around too much. Trade Oliver, get rid of Basham, release Lawson. Draft a true run stuffer and bring in some different pass rushers that can play the run as well. It seems like we get guys that can do 1 or the other. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Ya think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comebackkid Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I think its hard to judge the offense for a couple reasons. Josh's injury. to many games he didnt practice. to many games in general because of weather and other issues the team lost practice days. Dorsey, i dont care what stats say about this year. He's in way over his head. Its like we took the worst of Daboll with no upside. no idea how to scheme. no idea how to integrate the players we have. I think it took a few games this year for Defenses to figure out Dorsey and after that the offense only looked good due to some amazing plays by Allen. As i said before in the post i created..i really dont think the Bills were ever as good as we thought they were, especially the Defense. Half way through the season we over valued the teams they had played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, NUT said: Stop building the D-Line, get more talent on OL and weapons. The defense will fall in the rankings, but you win SB's with offense these days. Sean takes pride in those D stats as a reflection of himself. Whether they translate to playoff wins, I think we see through that facade. 1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: the high dollar high pick rotation certainly hasn’t won me over You’re not impressed by a lot of different guys all not getting pressure on the QB? High standards much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: ok, but I remember constant issues with "play calling" and "scheme" when he was here. What specifically did the team accomplish with Dabol they did not this year? Nothing. But almost no one will care to admit it. Basically mirror images the last 2 year stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Perfectly said here. yup. I’m not sure Dorsey had any meaningful philosophy it’s really strange to add cook and Hines and then not involve them in space a ton. I know a hated catch phrase here but…. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 minutes ago, Best Williams Available said: Nothing. But almost no one will care to admit it. Basically mirror images the last 2 year stats. Fact dude. We have had worse seasons wrt how we ended them since 2020 w our loss at KC. Our d was ranked 2 in 2018, with young scrubs who we ended up paying. Our team is like a one note band, and we can't adapt. That's on coaching and the fo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said: All they had to do was run it with Singletary with quick hitters more often and throw shorter methodical passes in this weather. That went out the window when the defense gave up two long, time consuming touch down drives to start the game. From that point on time and possessions were at a premium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Yup..even my wife knows all this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, buffblue said: I never thought that we wouldn't miss him. Daboll is in a different universe than Dorsey So you think that a first time playcaller has zero room to grow and adapt? Lucky that wasn't what people thought of Daboll. He would have never coached in the NFL after his first few stints as OC. Newsflash. Coaches just like players tend to grow and adapt especially after their first season. Edited January 23, 2023 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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