Bengals @ Bills - Post Game Thread - January 22, 2023 - NFL Divisional Round Playoffs

[78thealltimegreat]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

But it's not the RB, just build a better offensive line.... 😂

Allen’s talent has made it so Beane could shortchange the oline to load up on other positions. This has to stop or we are going to waste this kids talent. 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I am literally on the edge of my seat and will be for some time how the Bills are going to address the O Line. I’m not expecting much. Probably more of the same next year. 

In the final analysis (like, right now), the failure to upgrade the O line was the overwhelmingly biggest mistake this past offseason. I don't know how they do it now with little in the way of cap space and even less in the way of high draft picks.

[Buffbills716]

52 minutes ago, Nator99 said:

This is going to be an unpopular take but I think this team overplayed and thought the Damar Hamlin good vibes and nation love they were getting was somehow going to just automatically convert to a win. The team was flat unprepared and got its butt kicked. We were bullied in our own home today. There is simply no way around it. We needed to stop with the thoughts that we were just going to be handed a SB because of the painful and stressful times the organization went through with Damar. I love Damar and we are happy for his health but the team did NOT handle business and was thoroughly embarrassed today. I don’t want to hear any homers try and dispute this. 

Wait for Chandler 81. He is always good for one.

[Green Lightning]

Beat down by a second string OL. Two first round and two second round picks on a D Line that can't rush or stop the run. The entire IOL needs to go. We'll at least we've gone from 13 seconds to 60 minutes.

[0017]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

 

The only way Diggs becomes a problem is if a ten second snipe on the sidelines results in a complete breakdown in his relationship with Josh, which I can't imagine happening.

Time will tell, but it’s been one sided Diggs towards josh over and over again! What happens when josh snipes back? Diggs has that Diva WR thing for sure, it could go bad real fast. 

[Dan Darragh]

13 minutes ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

I remember 

I remember it too, first game I ever watched.  I should have known back then but I was only 11.

[HurlyBurly51]

3 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

We had a lot of injuries on defense to be fair, and players on offense regressed.

All 3 levels of defense needs to be addressed this offseason.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Just now, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I am literally on the edge of my seat and will be for some time how the Bills are going to address the O Line. I’m not expecting much. Probably more of the same next year. 

I don’t even think it’s necessarily personnel. I feel like the entire issue with this team is philosophy. There is nothing physical on either side of the ball. How often do RBs get 4 or 5 yards without being touched against us? And how often do our RBs get hit before they get to the line of scrimmage? These were backup Olineman for Christ sakes. Cmon

[Dan in Owego]

Felt like the Redskins Super bowl game to me, just outmatched physically.

[QLBillsFan]

5 minutes ago, 0017 said:

I’d kill for Mike mc💨aniels at coach for the next 4 years!!! 

Wow that guy really cares for his players 😂.. Jets with a QB are far more concerning. But Bills are not going to dominate unless they make some changes. 

[CoudyBills]

20 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

 

IF - and there's no proof of this being the case - Josh does not respect and/or trust Dorsey enough to follow his play calling then something needs to give. And that's probably movign Dorsey on and bringing in a firmer OC to get Josh to toe the line.

They may need to make a change.  I don't necessarily mean he won't run the plays called, I just mean he is prone to taking shots rather than the underneath stuff the play is often designed to complete.

[PayDaBill$]

What an embarrassment @ HOME. Frazier zone D is so predictable.  Oline is a mess, DLine gets no pressure & JA took a beating. How McD doesn’t have these guys up for this game is beyond me.  
 

Not sure where we go from here but it’s pretty damn obvious things need to change.

Edited January 23, 2023 by PayDaBill$

[boater]

It's time for the annual end-of-season fan over reaction and suicide watch. Just a quick review of the forum subject lines shows the season finale drama is in full gear.

 

If it makes you feel better: the season ends this way for 31 teams every year.

[quinnearlysghost88]

I’ll gladly pile on. This offense has ZERO creativity. None. No deception. No misdirection. They completely rely on Josh to make everything happen. 

Edited January 23, 2023 by quinnearlysghost88

[Talley56]

I said all offseason watch out for the Bengals.  They really were the team that scared me most with Hill leaving KC.  I kept hearing that last year was a "fluke", but, I'm sorry, I think they really are legit and going to be another tough team to get through for years to come right along side KC.  Not saying we can't eventually get through but they are the real deal.

[steven50]

I know (as is the tradition) the day of a loss is supposed to be about screaming how much we suck and how half the staff and players should be fired but I think all the things that happened this season was just to much overcome in the end. The Blizzards, the 3 games in 7 days, the Hamlin thing, the losing the heart and soul of the defense, etc etc etc. These are not the normal things teams go through and when they do its normally just one of those things not all combined.. The bills took it on the chin hard this season. You could see the cracks in the last two or three games even though we won.

 

This was a bizarre season. Sorry it ended this way but it shouldn't be surprising. Players are human and sometimes after all the emotional turmoil you just dont have anything left in the tank.

[DapperCam]

Just now, HurlyBurly51 said:

All 3 levels of defense needs to be addressed this offseason.

Some of those players that were injured and were going to play a major role might not be the same anymore.

 

Poyer, Hyde, White, Miller…all might be done or much less effective next year. Edmunds might be gone as well if he isn’t signed.

 

Defense might look very different next year. Might be time for a new DC and soft reboot of the defense with some new blood.

[ngbills]

It does feel like this staff is good enough to make us respectable. But lacks the extra that is needed to be a champion. And that is giving them a lot of credit. No Allen and I’m not sure what we would be. 

[Lost]

1 minute ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

I’ll gladly pile on. This offense has ZERO creativity. None. No deception. No misdirection. They completely rely on Josh to make everything happen. 

 

dialing up plays that take 5-6 seconds to develope when Josh Allen has someone in his face in 800ms

[DapperCam]

4 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Beat down by a second string OL. Two first round and two second round picks on a D Line that can't rush or stop the run. The entire IOL needs to go. We'll at least we've gone from 13 seconds to 60 minutes.

Jones was out and Phillips was playing with one arm. That was the big issue on the IOL. I agree that Oliver is too inconsistent to be worth a big extension if that’s what you meant.

[Maine-iac]

1 minute ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I am literally on the edge of my seat and will be for some time how the Bills are going to address the O Line. I’m not expecting much. Probably more of the same next year. 

I can't say it's the OL.  We didn't have answers for the blitzing DB's and we don't run the ball so they know what's coming basically every play.  Brown and Dawkins both had some bad plays but neither (in the big picture) were the reason we couldn't score.  We are just too predictable and teams only have to commit to coverage and pass rush not because we can't run but because we just don't.

[HurlyBurly51]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

No Allen and I’m not sure what we would be. 

Drought years

[Punch]

3 minutes ago, boater said:

If it makes you feel better: the season ends this way for 31 teams every year.

A humiliating beat down on your home turf after being picked as the Super Bowl favorite?

[The Frankish Reich]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There is nothing physical on either side of the ball.

And that's not by accident. On defense, it is clearly the Frazier/McD concept - speed, closing on the ball, versatility are all valued over physical strength. I'm not criticizing it - it's worked really well overall - it's just a fact.

It's a little less obvious on offense, but still there. Doing things like drafting and very quickly moving in Spencer Brown at RT for example. He's not a big lower body/leverage type. He's a tall slender guy who's trying to pump himself up into a 300 pounder. And overall the emphasis has always been more toward good pass blockers than physical/run game road graders of the Wyatt Teller type. Repeat: Again, not necessarily a criticism - it's worked really well overall! - it's just a fact.

[boyst]

McDermott speaking...

 

Re lacking energy what happened?

Couldn't get out there, no rhythm, came out with energy but couldn't stop them.  Our effort there but couldn't stop

 

 

Re LOS

 

we didn't do enough at LOS. Mentioned QB too

 

Re expectations and result of season

Keep head up and you learn from this. It hurts. Proud of them. They had class and did well with adversity. For now this stings and wish it was diff result.

 

RE unsure footing caus eless confidence defense

Not an excuse. They beat us physically

 

cicninhas good balance. Did they have a feel for you? 

 

No. They played well and we thought we adjusted well jad a hard time stopping them. Their wr are tough 1 on 1 matchups. Thought we had good gameplan and tried to adjust gameplan. 

 

re super bowl window closed? 

No. Better team. Better coached team tham is tonight. I dotn want to do evals but disappointing..

 

re stefon upset where he at? 

He's a member of the bills. Competitive. We works hard. It hurts. I wouldn't want a guy that it doesn't hurt. We put it on line and it was not good enough. It stings

 

Re I saw him up the tunnel....?

He was there when I addressed team .that's what matters most

 

 Re Josh..

 

Josh did good things. Probably wants some plays back. We all do sometimes ... We all need to grow from this. It stings. Josh is a heck of a competitpr. I'd take him on the team ant day of the week. We need to make adjustments to move forward.

 

Re all year didn't win all but losses were close. ... Does it matter this wasn't close?

Yeah I'm the short answer is no a loss is a loss the longer answer is another discussion for another day it's what happened whay we have to change another day. And beyond. That's what we have to go do knock at this door

 

Re too soon of growth of relationship of Dorsey and Josh... 2st year. Productive?

 Anytime we have 2 new paly callers it's what we do moving forward and who we become.wothbsmiley at ST. Both hard workers. I'm sure they'll look back to improve. 

 

Re number of players we may lose..

How do you talk?

 

That's the hard part of business for what they went through I know how important it was to have been through this. I know you don't get that far without it. Convo for another day.

 

 

Well I mean like I said before you work your tail off all season long you work in the offseason every day as hard as you can to be the best that you can and there's only one team and we wanted to be our team and that's what hurts the most and when you don't when you don't perform up to your expectations internally That hurts and you know he just put as a competitor you're only left with one choice and that is deploy yourself together and due time and find a way to get it done and that's that's what we're steadfast and that's that'll be divisions we move forward here so on the goal hasn't changed and won't change for this organization and we got to continue to do everything we can to get there and that's the goal

 

Almost proud of the fact that the guys the players as young men will take the lessons that they learn from this season and the adversity that they face I think they'll take that with them through their lives as men and I think that's that's what I think that's that's a byproduct of the season the goal though is still to to make it to him when the super bowl so I'm just kind of staying in buckets here that that's that's what things the most and but the support does teach you lessons as as a person and I think they'll take that with him for sure

 

 

What would that mean what was said What can you tell us about that for the environment in there you know demar's in the locker room pregame and and you know his his just him being in the locker room his presence I think it was good for the guys and also hopefully good for him and I thought it was a pretty cool moment The game wasn't trending the way we wanted it to but when they put them on the big screen and and I just a great moment keeping perspective of course on where he was just a few weeks ago so super happy for him and and thankful that his health is returning and I know he's you know he'll continue to take it one day at a time

 

Doing audio teletype.  ...

 

Nothing really coming 

[78thealltimegreat]

7 minutes ago, 0017 said:

Time will tell, but it’s been one sided Diggs towards josh over and over again! What happens when josh snipes back? Diggs has that Diva WR thing for sure, it could go bad real fast. 

With Josh’s size? Guy deadlifts nearly 500lbs he would probably throw Diggs in the 3rd row 

[stevewin]

52 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

Would’ve been a 30+ point blowout without the snow

I actually think the opposite.  The poor footing with DL not being able to fire off helped neutralize the biggest advantage we would  have had against their makeshift OL.  And in those conditions their makeshift OL didn't have to be skilled, just tough, which they were.  Also whether it was coaching on the fly or game plan (or combination of both), they just looked so much better dealing with the conditions and we just looked lost dealing with it from the beginning.  

 

On a dry field I think we would have been more sure and confident in what we were running and at least played closer to what we were capable of  (would have been hard to be worse than whatever the hell that was in the snow)

[stlbills13]

Can someone on here send some cleats to James Cook? Did he stay on his feet once today?

 

Snow game in Buffalo and we looked worse than the Dolphins in the conditions

[klos63]

Can we finally put to rest that this is 'Bills weather' or the 12th man means anything. It's talent, coaching, execution. Fans can praise themselves as the greatest in the world all they want, but that's irrelevant come game time.

[0017]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

With Josh’s size? Guy deadlifts nearly 500lbs he would probably throw Diggs in the 3rd row 

Maybe we should get draft picks before that happens, that’s all I’m saying! Move on!

[Shortchaz]

Team needs to get a couple enforcers on each line. A heyward type dt and incognito type guard. 

[Billsfanatic8989]

8 minutes ago, boater said:

It's time for the annual end-of-season fan over reaction and suicide watch. Just a quick review of the forum subject lines shows the season finale drama is in full gear.

 

If it makes you feel better: the season ends this way for 31 teams every year.

Yep.

 

Im the end, the second best team will feel no better than the thirty second best team. 

 

There will only be one team that is happy once the playoffs end. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

Just now, Shortchaz said:

Team needs to get a couple enforcers on each line. A heyward type dt and incognito type guard. 

Do we also need a RB who drops his girlfriend with a right cross to the head?

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Shortchaz said:

Team needs to get a couple enforcers on each line. A heyward type dt and incognito type guard. 

Never going to happen with McD as the coach. He should be coaching a little league soccer team. 

[Shortchaz]

1 minute ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Do we also need a RB who drops his girlfriend with a right cross to the head?

Is he a process guy? 

[boyst]

Just now, The Frankish Reich said:

Do we also need a RB who drops his girlfriend with a right cross to the head?

We aren't putting together a church choir or a boy scout unit.  We are making a team of men who aren't like ordinary men.

 

Further, while it's scummy and terrible - why not move on? It's a football team and a football player. Mixon is going to be broke and signing autographs in his HS gym in 20 years regardless. 

[Green Lightning]

5 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Jones was out and Phillips was playing with one arm. That was the big issue on the IOL. I agree that Oliver is too inconsistent to be worth a big extension if that’s what you meant.

They had 3 starting OL out and one playing hurt and they bullied us. Keep Groot, Daquan, Phillips and Von. The rest are JAGs. Do not pay Oliver. 

[boater]

2 minutes ago, Punch said:

A humiliating beat down on your home turf after being picked as the Super Bowl favorite?

Bitter. It doesn't matter how you end the season. If you don't end the season hoisting the Lombardi trophy, it's bitter no matter which way you end it.

 

PS: I hope you didn't think the Bills were a Superbowl contender the way they played ending the season.

[birdo67]

(This sentiment has probably already been posted here)

As empty as this feels now, imagine the empty feeling that you get when your team actually wins the whole thing, and you realize that none of it changed anything for the fanbase.  You go and get hammered at a parade.  We find excuses to do that anyway.

And we wouldn't have won the Super Bowl last year in any case.  Bengals or Rams would have sliced right through us like we saw today.

Edited January 23, 2023 by birdo67

[Trock]

Defense wins championships Sean. Make the necessary adjustments.