Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[Dr.Sack]

I like the idea of drafting two WRs 

[Zag20]

Not a process guy

[QLBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Maybe that's why Hopkins wants out!

Hopkins should focus on not being suspended. Oh and actually hustling on the field!!  Hard pass on this guy!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

It's the right idea. Beane should be laser focused on getting another elite WR in Buffalo. 

 

Getting another legitimate #1 WR in here. 

 

Crystalizes the depth chart. 

 

But what do the Cardinals want?

 

They got him for a 2nd and David Johnson. 

 

A single 2nd Round pick? Intriguing, we've taken Ford, Epenesa, Basham, Cook. 

 

But he wants a new deal, and that's probably the killer. 

Edited January 11, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[dma0034]

Bills don't have the cap space for him. 

[Airseven]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

This is a dumb move by the Cardinals if they want to help Murray, BUT if there's a rift between Hopkins and Kyler, then I get it.

 

Talent is always welcome, but Hopkins doesn't seem like a good fit here in this offense.  He'd be great in KC, however. 🫠

It’s not a dumb move by the Cardinals. They have to eat dead cap next season and rebuild with as many draft picks as possible. Murray will miss a month+ so next season, with a new coach, is already a crapshoot. Phoenix media speculating Hopkins will not want to stick around for a rebuild into his 30s and request a trade himself.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Airseven

[BringBackFlutie]

2a

[bobobonators]

7 hours ago, MJS said:

I think it's a little too reckless, personally.

 

Diggs was seen as a good receiver, a potential #1, before he got here. He hadn't made a pro bowl. Now he is seen as a truly elite #1 receiver.

 

Find someone like the pre-Bills Diggs. Someone who clearly has potential, but hasn't realized it fully yet.

DJ Chark of the Lions. With Amon and their high draft pick Williams healthy next season, Chark could be expendable. The dude is legit if he stays healthy. I think he’s an UFA. 26 yrs old. 

Edited January 11, 2023 by bobobonators

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Draft a relatively cheaper WR. They can produce almost instantly.  We need young speed. Hopkins is still great but way too expensive.

[NewEra]

After the last few seasons you’d think Hopkins would just want to have fun and win while playing with an illegal QB and alongside Diggs. 
 

but he’s going to be too expensive.  Lots of cap and some of our highest draft picks. We’d lose Edmonds and Poyer or Oliver while not have many picks or cap to add their replacements or OL.  We could be unstoppable on o, if the OL holds up and he stays healthy and is a culture fit.  

[Big Turk]

I wouldn't hate if the Bills went WR in round 1 and maybe even moved up a little if there is a guy there they liked a lot.

[Patrick Duffy]

4 hours ago, Chicken Boo said:

This is a dumb move by the Cardinals if they want to help Murray, BUT if there's a rift between Hopkins and Kyler, then I get it.

 

Talent is always welcome, but Hopkins doesn't seem like a good fit here in this offense.  He'd be great in KC, however. 🫠

 

There might be quite a few there that may have a rift with Murray. Some of the things that's been said makes it seem like it anyway

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Trenton Simpson

 

A rookie.  You expect a rookie MLB to come in and not lose anything on the field.  Good luck there.   He could be available when the Bills pick likely barring a SB appearance.  One of the scouting reports I read on him said this:

 

There may be a lag in development before we see his best version in the pros but I would expect Simpson is a plus starter in due time

 

Doesn't sound like expecting him to be the starter him next year will help the team.

 

Who knows they may have to this way if they don't resign Edmunds, but not sure it helps them all that much short term.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[machine gun kelly]

14 hours ago, Einstein said:

I worry about paying a soon to be 31 receiver. He is great though.

He’s not going to be cheap and as you point out he’ll be 31.  You know he’ll want $20 mil per year and a multi year deal.  I don’t see Beane pulling that trigger.  If he was 27, then probably yes, but he’s not 27.

[NeverOutNick]

6 hours ago, NewEra said:

After the last few seasons you’d think Hopkins would just want to have fun and win while playing with an illegal QB and alongside Diggs. 
 

but he’s going to be too expensive.  Lots of cap and some of our highest draft picks. We’d lose Edmonds and Poyer or Oliver while not have many picks or cap to add their replacements or OL.  We could be unstoppable on o, if the OL holds up and he stays healthy and is a culture fit.  

I agree with this. I want him to come because I know he would be great for Josh and if he would stick with his two year $34 million contract I think we could make it work even if we had to lose Oliver because of it. I think Edmunds and Poyer may stick around because Beane is a magician.
 

I love the idea of grabbing a guy in the draft but that’s more of a crapshoot because we’re not the Pittsburgh Steelers with our wide receiver evaluations. I also think that we need to invest most of our draft capital in the offensive line because it’s too hard to find really good lineman in free agency.
 

Remember he has a no trade clause in his contract so he can pick the team so at the end of the day if we can get DeAndre Hopkins to buy into our culture and not want a massive new contract and it would only cost us a third round pick I say let’s do it and then spend our first and second rounders on offensive lineman

Edited January 11, 2023 by NeverOutNick

[Pabstblueribbon]

I think there's too many teams with more ammo. I heard them make a pretty good case for the bears to grab him on the radio this morning. 

[Warriorspikes51]

depends on compensation.

Personally I'd like to add a WR like Hopkins, Michael Thomas or OBJ   AND draft a WR in round 1 

[MJS]

16 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Diggs was a #1 WR when he got here.  Judging from Pro Bowl appearances is pretty lame.  

He was seen as a #1 but not an elite, top 5 receiver in the league. He had two 1,000 yard seasons and was a deep threat for Minnesota. There was speculation that he could do more in a different offense and with a different QB, and that proved to be correct.

 

Since coming to Buffalo he has been among the league leaders in yardage, has 2 seasons of 10+ TD's (he had zero in Minnesota), made the pro bowl all 3 years, and was first team all-pro once.

 

His success in Buffalo has surpassed anyone's wildest dreams of what he could be. He was a good WR before coming here. Now he is top tier elite.

[Billz4ever]

17 hours ago, WMDman said:

id rather draft somebody

I'd do both. Not necessarily Hopkins. They have to seriously take under consideration that Davis isn't the answer at WR2 and didn't work out as they had hoped.

 

Drafting a WR late in the first round, given 6 were taken by pick 20 last year, might not produce a game ready guy either.

 

A legit WR2 might have to come via trade or FA.  

[MJS]

9 hours ago, bobobonators said:

DJ Chark of the Lions. With Amon and their high draft pick Williams healthy next season, Chark could be expendable. The dude is legit if he stays healthy. I think he’s an UFA. 26 yrs old. 

Good name. I also look at Jakobi Meyers and think he could be a lot better in a real offense with a real QB throwing to him. He is also a free agent.

[Billz4ever]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Draft a relatively cheaper WR. They can produce almost instantly.  We need young speed. Hopkins is still great but way too expensive.

We need a legit WR2. Whether that comes from trade or FA, I think they need an upgrade since Davis just isn't getting it done.

 

 

[Billz4ever]

12 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

I like the idea of drafting two WRs 

We need a legit WR2. Davis is not panning out by any standard.  I'm not expecting a rookie to be able to immediately step into that role.

[Solomon Grundy]

16 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Diggs signing off on this would be necessary. We don't want an ego battle. Once this deal is done maybe we can coax JJ out of retirement for a 2 year deal to pair on the other side with Von. Rotate Groot as the 3rd DE.  Then draft OL heavy.  Guys come out of retirement all the time?

Yeah... Maybe we could coax Jeff Saturday to come replace Morse seeing that the coaching stint didn't pan out😎

[ddaryl]

We need to draft a top WR that can be cost controlled for 4 to 5 years, and eventually become a #1. Look at our salary cap situation..

 

We are really close to next years cap and we don't have 51, we have 39 players signed... Costly FA vets are going to be very few this offseason unless we purge a lot of our own vets.

This offseason going to give us some bitter pills to swallow IMO

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/




 

Edited January 11, 2023 by ddaryl

[BananaB]

Only if he takes a discount to win a Championship. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

29 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

We need a legit WR2. Davis is not panning out by any standard.  I'm not expecting a rookie to be able to immediately step into that role.

Why not? Rookie WRs taken high in the draft produce early. Davis is not going anywhere. He is still under contract for next season. 

[Billz4ever]

43 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Why not? Rookie WRs taken high in the draft produce early. Davis is not going anywhere. He is still under contract for next season. 

There were 6 WRs taken in the top 18 picks last year.  What receiver are you thinking we get that's immediately WR2 material in this offense?

Edited January 11, 2023 by Billz4ever

[nucci]

17 hours ago, D. L. Hot-Flamethrower said:

I think it would be the perfect offseason move for the Bills! Imagine what we'd be like this year if we had him. Ouch

he was suspended and injured much of the season so not sure how much he would have helped

[bobobonators]

38 minutes ago, MJS said:

Good name. I also look at Jakobi Meyers and think he could be a lot better in a real offense with a real QB throwing to him. He is also a free agent.

Agreed. There aren’t too many great WR FA’s next year. There are a few intriguing options though:

 

Meyers

Chark

Lazard

 

These are the top 3 in my opinion. And of those id want Chark the most due to his explosiveness. 
 

But then we have some intriguing options from the NYG:

Slayton

Richie James Jr

 

Neither of them should break the bank. I doubt both of them leave NYG but something to monitor. 
 

Im still waiting for our Shakir to take hold. The little he’s been used you can tell the guy’s awareness and in-game speed is real. He could be big for us next year. 

[Billz4ever]

Whatever they do, whether it's through the draft, free agency, or trade, we need to be constantly reminded we are in our window NOW and it's not going to be this way forever.

 

Davis is not the guy at WR2 IMO and is more of a WR3 given his numbers and especially given how much we throw the ball.  His numbers are more on par with Tyler Boyd, Cincy's WR3, than a WR2.  

 

Can we expect to get a legit WR2 out of the draft considering 6 WRs were already off the board in the first 18 picks in last year's draft?  I see that same trend continuing.  Would we be spending a first-round pick on what's not first-round talent if we take a WR there?  Obviously, we won't know who could potentially fall to later in the first round until draft day, but we need to not use a first-round pick on a WR if it's not first-round talent.  I would rather see them use it on OL there.

 

Some folks in the thread have made some interesting suggestions that would be worth looking into from free agency.  Whether Beane would consider trading for someone like Hopkins and what that would cost remains to be seen.  

 

OBJ is still out there too, even though I think that train has already left the station.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2023 by Billz4ever

[BullBuchanan]

3 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

A rookie.  You expect a rookie MLB to come in and not lose anything on the field.  Good luck there.   He could be available when the Bills pick likely barring a SB appearance.  One of the scouting reports I read on him said this:

 

There may be a lag in development before we see his best version in the pros but I would expect Simpson is a plus starter in due time

 

Doesn't sound like expecting him to be the starter him next year will help the team.

 

Who knows they may have to this way if they don't resign Edmunds, but not sure it helps them all that much short term.

It will absolutely help the team. He's an upgrade in every respect except size, and he does things Edmunds can't do. He's tailor-made fit for what we need to execute our defense. When you combine him with a HOF WR on the other side, their combined contribution should easily equal or eclipse the value of just more Edmunds. Watch him play.

[Billz4ever]

11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It will absolutely help the team. He's an upgrade in every respect except size, and he does things Edmunds can't do. He's tailor-made fit for what we need to execute our defense. When you combine him with a HOF WR on the other side, their combined contribution should easily equal or eclipse the value of just more Edmunds. Watch him play.

Simpson ranks as the #3 prospect at inside backer. What makes anyone think he'd still be there by the time we're up? Supposedly he has a 40-inch vertical and runs a 4.4 at 6' 3" and 225 lbs. I'd be shocked if he was still on the board at the end of the first round.   

 

Our biggest needs going into this draft are WR and OL.  We need to get serious about getting the face of the franchise the protection and weapons he needs instead of crossing our fingers and hoping for the best with an average O-Line and guys like Davis at WR2.

 

If we are trying to get a legit WR2, we may have to look at FA or trade given our draft position, but who knows.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Billz4ever

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

53 minutes ago, nucci said:

he was suspended and injured much of the season so not sure how much he would have helped

How about heading into the playoffs? He'd be a huge asset !

[Thurman#1]

19 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

My thing is opportunity cost.  There’s only so much cap money.   Spend a huge chunk on WRs and there’s nothing left for other position groups.

 

As much as I like Hopkins, I don’t think we can afford two high priced wideouts. It may not be as sexy, but I’d rather invest in an OL upgrade. 

 

 

Yup. This.

 

It's not how they operate, and that's a good thing.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

26 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

It will absolutely help the team. He's an upgrade in every respect except size, and he does things Edmunds can't do. He's tailor-made fit for what we need to execute our defense. When you combine him with a HOF WR on the other side, their combined contribution should easily equal or eclipse the value of just more Edmunds. Watch him play.

 

Don't doubt long term could be better, but would worry me if would help or hurt in 2023.

[Thurman#1]

36 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Whatever they do, whether it's through the draft, free agency, or trade, we need to be constantly reminded we are in our window NOW and it's not going to be this way forever.

 

 

 

We are in our window now, and it's not going to last forever. You're dead right on this. It's only going to last the next probably 12 - 15 years, up till Allen starts serious regression. 

 

We really don't need reminders. I don't think many are forgetting.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Don't doubt long term could be better, but would worry me if would help or hurt in 2023.

like Any rookie there would be ups and downs. I imagine there would be mental mistakes, but his ferocious hitting, run defense, pass rush ability and coverage skills would likely compensate.

[ddaryl]

12 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Don't doubt long term could be better, but would worry me if would help or hurt in 2023.

 

You saw what our class of WRs did this year outside of Diggs... that's a really low bar for a top drafted WR to overcome IMO

[Thurman#1]

 

[Malazan]

Offensive Line.