Potential decision made for Championship Game location

[BRH]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Does anyone know if we are the 2 and the Bengals the 3, if we play each other in the Divisional round, is that neutral? Or is that just the championship game?

I do know.  The game would be in Buffalo. 

[Matt_In_NH]

5 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

Don't lose 32-13 to Cleveland and you wouldn't be talking about this.  In fact, if you didn't lose 32-13 to Cleveland, you'd be the 2 seed right now.

While that is true, you are completely missing the point.  I mean The Bills would be the one seed right now if they took a snap vs Minnesota.  The point is that there is a game unplayed that affects the standings giving the outcomes of all the games there were actually played.   It is unfair to the Bengals because they had a shot at the one seed but because the game was not played, they lose that.  They also win their division for the same reason.   Again, there is no fair way to handle this, they are going to make a decision and it will be what it is.

8 minutes ago, Stads said:

Even if we lost to Cincinatti, a KC loss to the Raiders would have given us the #1 seed over KC (equal losses, tiebreaker for us head to head). Cincinatti would have an issue since cancelling our game gives them no chance at the #1 seed. I think I have that right, but my brain don't work too good 

That is correct, I was forgetting about the tie breaker the Bills own over KC

[GottaRun]

Seat allocation would be what?  50% for each team to distribute seems fair, wonder if that is how they would do it? 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Does anyone know if we are the 2 and the Bengals the 3, if we play each other in the Divisional round, is that neutral? Or is that just the championship game?

Both games would be in buffalo

 

Canceling the week 17 game has the bills and bengals both at 16 games played and no need to adjust or work anything out

[BillyBilliams]

Just now, Matt_In_NH said:

While that is true, you are completely missing the point.  I mean The Bills would be the one seed right now if they took a snap vs Minnesota.  The point is that there is a game unplayed that affects the standings giving the outcomes of all the games there were actually played.   It is unfair to the Bengals because they had a shot at the one seed but because the game was not played, they lose that.  They also win their division for the same reason.   Again, there is no fair way to handle this, they are going to make a decision and it will be what it is.

 

They have 4 losses.  The Bills have 3 losses.  The ONLY gripe I think you might be able to have is if Buffalo and Cincy wins, and KC loses, who gets the 2 seed.  I say this because Cincy would finish the year 12-4 and KC would be 13-4.  Cincy beat KC and would have owned the tie breaker.  Unfortunately for the them, the NFL rightfully cancelled the game.  Again, if they didn't lose 32-13, they wouldn't be in this situation.

 

Your analogy doesn't make sense, because despite that loss to Minnesota, they were still the 1 seed going into last week.  They controlled their own destiny, until they didn't, and it was no fault of their own.  They were victims of a catastrophic accident where their game could not be played.

[Buffalo03]

The Bengals are getting the shaft out of this whole thing

9 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

We would be the 2.  Buffalo is currently 12-3 and Cincinnati is currently 11-4.  Buffalo has the better record.

Yes, but the Bengals could have beat us and went ahead of us. Better record isn't as cut and dry in this scenario 

[Matt_In_NH]

What about the case where Cinci and Buffalo win but KC loses.  In that scenario the records would be

 

Bills 13-3

Cinci 12-4

KC 13-4

 

But if Cinci has beaten the Bills there would be a three way tie, Cinci woudl have beaten BUF and KC, should that game not be at a neutral site if Buf and Cinci are in the championship game?

[Bookie Man]

Carolina

[Motorin']

28 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What is interesting to me is if Buffalo wins this week and KC loses, the Bills will get the one seed and get the bye and home field advantage?  This seems unfair to KC becuase the unequal game thing is still in affect and if it was played, it is possible KC could have gotten the one seed outright.  I dont think they listed all the possibilities. 

Did they say how they will sell seats for the neutral site game?  It is possible they will give the option to season ticket holders.  While I understand your frustration, do  you not see there is no ideal solution here?  It is at a neutral site because home field was not fully determined, it could have gone either way including the Bills not having it meaning you would have to go to KC.

 

No, bc if KC loses this week they couldn't have been the 1 seed even if the Bills were given an L for the Bengals game.

 

The neutral field senario only applies when it's two teams that played a different amount for games AND both could have been the higher seed depending on the outcome of the canceled game.

[Matt_In_NH]

6 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

Your analogy doesn't make sense, because despite that loss to Minnesota, they were still the 1 seed going into last week. 

Ok if you say so, I say pointing to any loss of any game and saying well you should have won that game to avoid this given this unique unpresented situation is ridiculous.

[chongli]

 

[BRH]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

The Bengals are getting the shaft out of this whole thing

 

I get the knee-jerk reaction, but going into the weekend, Buffalo and KC had 12 wins and Cincinnati had 11.  The Bengals' odds of getting the 1 seed were smaller to begin with.  If the Bengals had been 12-3 going into the weekend, you would have seen a much more equitable distribution of playoff outcomes.  But they weren't.  

[BADOLBILZ]

10 hours ago, DieHardFan said:

This is total BS! 

 

I paid my Season Ticket bribe for 32 years to keep my senority through some pretty lean years for the RIGHT to (pay for ) and have ownership of MY SEATS for the playoffs. 2020 and the COVID reshuffling was bad enough (choose a sure thing or give it up to bet on an uncertain game). Fortunately I was able to reach a trade with a fellow STH and make both but NO THANKS TO THE NFL!

 

Now the NFL will make sure every kardashian, two-bit celebrity, and has been NFL player gets a seat and it at best it will be another lottery to get what should be mine. 

 

And since it was conveniently omitted, I await another reeming when it comes to a bye for the #1 seed.

 

Screw you NFL!

 

 

 

 

Blaming the NFL for this is like blaming a loss on one bad call by an official...........it ignores the vast amount of other outcomes that created the scenario in the first place.

 

If the Bills didn't choke away big leads to the Jets OR Minnesota then they wouldn't have needed the Bengals game.........they could have secured home field at home versus NE regardless of any other outcomes.

 

All in all........Buffalo gets treated fairly in this.    I've been a season ticket holder for nearly 30 years as well.........having not completed the 17 game schedule I don't know how you can act like a home AFCCG is something you own the rights to. 

[WIDE LEFT]

A Bills loss Sunday coupled with a Bengals win would give Cincinnati home field? It appears so. Conference records are equal, common opponents are equal,  so the third breaker is strength of schedule. Cinci wins that one

[Buffalo03]

1 minute ago, BRH said:

 

I get the knee-jerk reaction, but going into the weekend, Buffalo and KC had 12 wins and Cincinnati had 11.  The Bengals' odds of getting the 1 seed were smaller to begin with.  If the Bengals had been 12-3 going into the weekend, you would have seen a much more equitable distribution of playoff outcomes.  But they weren't.  

Not just the 1 seed, the Bengals could have gotten the 2 and played that game in Cincinnati. Now they don't get that opportunity 

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What about the case where Cinci and Buffalo win but KC loses.  In that scenario the records would be

 

Bills 13-3

Cinci 12-4

KC 13-4

 

But if Cinci has beaten the Bills there would be a three way tie, Cinci woudl have beaten BUF and KC, should that game not be at a neutral site if Buf and Cinci are in the championship game?

 

 

Any tie between just BUF and CIN for a single games home field should go to CIN. They lost their opportunity for the one home game, without a loss to the Ravens, Buffalo should have to play in their house.

 

[Einstein]

9 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

Hopefully will be played in Nashville. Open air and natural grass, plus fans tend to like visiting that city.

 

That’s a great idea.

[Motorin']

3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What about the case where Cinci and Buffalo win but KC loses.  In that scenario the records would be

 

Bills 13-3

Cinci 12-4

KC 13-4

 

But if Cinci has beaten the Bills there would be a three way tie, Cinci woudl have beaten BUF and KC, should that game not be at a neutral site if Buf and Cinci are in the championship game?

 

The NFL appears to be saying that since the Bills and Bengals both played the same amount of games, it doesn't matter. The record determines the seeding...

 

But the fairest thing in that scenario, imo, is a neutral field. 

 

[RiotAct]

Strength of Victory, not Strength of Schedule.

[BRH]

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Not just the 1 seed, the Bengals could have gotten the 2 and played that game in Cincinnati. Now they don't get that opportunity 

 

Sucks to be them.  Again, they went into the game with the fewest wins of the three teams.  That's not either KC's or Buffalo's fault.

[BillyBilliams]

1 minute ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Ok if you say so, I say pointing to any loss of any game and saying well you should have won that game to avoid this given this unique unpresented situation is ridiculous.

 

It's not just a random loss.  It was their last loss to get them at 4 losses.  They lost that game on MNF and dropped to 4-4 after that game.  If they don't lose that specific game, they would be the same record as Buffalo and would be the 2 seed right now.  Going into Week 17, they would be the 1 seed, actually.

[BRH]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The NFL appears to be saying that since the Bills and Bengals both played the same amount of games, it doesn't matter. The record determines the seeding...

 

But the fairest thing in that scenario, imo, is a neutral field. 

 

 

The fairest thing in ANY scenario is a neutral field.

 

Point is, the Bills have more wins than the Bengals in the same number of games. There's no logical reason to make that a neutral field matchup.

[BRH]

7 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

 

Any tie between just BUF and CIN for a single games home field should go to CIN. They lost their opportunity for the one home game, without a loss to the Ravens, Buffalo should have to play in their house.

 

 

They will, if these things happen:

 

- Chiefs lose to Raiders

- Bills lose to Pats

- Bengals beat Ravens

 

Then both teams are 12-4.  Bengals get the 2 based on SOS tiebreaker and host Buffalo in any matchup.

 

If the Bills beat the Pats, then the Bills will be 13-3 and Bengals 12-4 (or 11-5), and the Bills get the 2 seed and host Cincy in any matchup.

 

It's really not that hard to understand.  I don't get the logic behind just awarding home field to Cincinnati no matter what.

[Greg S]

For selfish reasons let it be at MetLife Stadium. I live 20 minutes from there. Although I don't know if that would be considered a neutral site location. Bills fans have been invading MetLife in large numbers. Recently the crowds have been 50-50 and that is against the Jets. I don't know how many Chiefs fans would travel but the Bills would have the majority of the crowd at MetLife.

[jamiezzz]

I could be wrong, but it's record against common opponents (minimum of 4).  If that's the case, we win that tie breaker. 

 

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs)

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-tie-breaking-procedures/

Edited January 6, 2023 by jamiezzz

[GolfandBills]

Bill win, Miami wins I believe we’ll get Miami in first round correct?

[Draconator]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

Bill win, Miami wins I believe we’ll get Miami in first round correct?

I thought we would be playing the Jets. Their coach told us so...

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, GolfandBills said:

Bill win, Miami wins I believe we’ll get Miami in first round correct?

Yep. Not ideal.

 

Not because we’re not better than Miami. I just don’t like divisional games. Anything seems to happen in those.

[RiotAct]

29 minutes ago, jamiezzz said:

I could be wrong, but it's record against common opponents (minimum of 4).  If that's the case, we win that tie breaker. 

 

Two Clubs

Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs)

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.

Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.

Strength of victory.

Strength of schedule.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-tie-breaking-procedures/

with a Bills loss and a Bengals win on Sunday, we’d both be 8-3 in games against common opponents.

 

 So, it would go to Strength of Victory which I believe the Bengals would have a very slight edge on us.

[BillsfaninSB]

3 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

with a Bills loss and a Bengals win on Sunday, we’d both be 8-3 in games against common opponents.

 

 So, it would go to Strength of Victory which I believe the Bengals would have a very slight edge on us.

Do other games this weekend matter like a Steelers win?

[Mr. WEO]

what's the temperature in Miami right now??

[Captain Caveman]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What about the case where Cinci and Buffalo win but KC loses.  In that scenario the records would be

 

Bills 13-3

Cinci 12-4

KC 13-4

 

But if Cinci has beaten the Bills there would be a three way tie, Cinci woudl have beaten BUF and KC, should that game not be at a neutral site if Buf and Cinci are in the championship game?

 

Maybe, but the way the league is handling it is that Buffalo and Cinci at least played the same number of games, and buffalo won more of them, so they're the 1 seed.

5 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Do other games this weekend matter like a Steelers win?

 

Yes, but probably not enough to change things, especially since the Bengals would be beating a stronger team (Baltimore) than we would be losing to (Patriots)

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

Do other games this weekend matter like a Steelers win?

gah I had a huge long post types up but something weird happened when I clickrd Submit.  Bottom line is, we’ll need someone smarter than me to figure out if we can leapfrog them in SoV… 🤣

 

They were 4-0 against their NFC division (the sorry assed South), while we were 3-1 against ours (NFC North).  We won our crossover game (Rams), and they lost theirs (Cowboys).

 

Every single one of our AFC opponents, the Bengals also played, by virtue of us both finishing first in our respective divisions last season.

[HOUSE]

Somehow, the Bills will be screwed 

Somehow....

 

[BRH]

2 hours ago, Greg S said:

For selfish reasons let it be at MetLife Stadium. I live 20 minutes from there. Although I don't know if that would be considered a neutral site location. Bills fans have been invading MetLife in large numbers. Recently the crowds have been 50-50 and that is against the Jets. I don't know how many Chiefs fans would travel but the Bills would have the majority of the crowd at MetLife.

 

I mean, it IS in another state.

[cba fan]

17 hours ago, NewEra said:

Hmm.  I thought they were different types of Turf, guess not.  did they change this year or are the turfs names just different, but are made equally?
 

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/football-team/which-nfl-stadiums-have-artificial-turf-vs-real-grass?amp

they are part of the 7 fields listed as having the slit turf.

 

the debate is ongoing. just comparing turf, Slit turf has more injuries than other turf fields but mostly lower leg. The other supposed better turf fields have less injuries overall but more ACL injuries than slit turf.

 

Grass has less overall injuries.

 

The differences are not large but significant when totaling up yearly injuries.

 

I would guess a big push for heated grass fields in all outdoor venues is coming(like Bills plan to install) (also Packers have heated grass hybrid w artificial strands mixed in) and probably a push for slide out grass fields in domes like Cardinals have.

 

Met Life w slit turf already announced they are changing to the supposed better artificial turf field. The one w more ACL injuries. 🤷‍♂️

Edited January 6, 2023 by cba fan

[LyndonvilleBill]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

what's the temperature in Miami right now??

77 and blue skies.😁

[cba fan]

3 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

77 and blue skies.😁

with a "Red" sunset?😂

Edited January 6, 2023 by cba fan

[Joe Ferguson]

[BuffaloBill]

To me the NFL is handling this the best way they can.  No matter what they do there will be imperfections and reasons to raise objections.