Einstein Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 This is not a complaint, just a question. Trying to learn if perhaps there is a good reason why we don’t. It makes sense to me that if you chuck the opponents receivers, it can disrupt timing routes and timing offenses. It can make a QB hold onto the ball for an extra half second and that can be the difference between a sack and a completion. But the most i’ve seen the Bills defense do is play press. I can’t recall seeing them get physical and chuck the WR. Is there a reason why? 3 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Bills are primarily a zone team, so they play off, typically. You need a specific skill set to bump or disrupt a receiver so that may play into it too. 7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 They should. They’re risk averse. 9 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 If you miss you're cooked. 8 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 10 minutes ago, Einstein said: This is not a complaint, just a question. Trying to learn if perhaps there is a good reason why we don’t. It makes sense to me that if you chuck the opponents receivers, it can disrupt timing routes and timing offenses. It can make a QB hold onto the ball for an extra half second and that can be the difference between a sack and a completion. But the most i’ve seen the Bills defense do is play press. I can’t recall seeing them get physical and chuck the WR. Is there a reason why? it is amazing how Jaire Alexander has suddenly come out of nowhere. This guy talks the best trash and is seriously legit. Where has he been these last 5 years in the NFL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 https://www.facebook.com/builtinbuffalo/videos/tredavious-white-set-the-tone-early-welcome-to-the-nfl-chase-claypool-via-brian-/199701501705723/ 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: it is amazing how Jaire Alexander has suddenly come out of nowhere. This guy talks the best trash and is seriously legit. Where has he been these last 5 years in the NFL? Err... he has been one of the best corners in the game for 3 seasons. He had a middling first couple of years but he majorly broke out in 2020 and has been a stud since. 5 7 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Err... he has been one of the best corners in the game for 3 seasons. He had a middling first couple of years but he majorly broke out in 2020 and has been a stud since. I don’t think he has gotten the same type of publicity as the other elite CB’s. For the casual fan, the guys you always hear about are Ramsey, Diggs, Howard, Slay. Even guys like JC Jackson seem to have gotten more press over the last few years. Maybe I have been living under a rock, though?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I don’t think he has gotten the same type of publicity as the other elite CB’s. For the casual fan, the guys you always hear about are Ramsey, Diggs, Howard, Slay. Even guys like JC Jackson seem to have gotten more press over the last few years. Maybe I have been living under a rock, though?! I think it might be you. Might also be that most of the air time on Green Bay is sucked by the attention seeking prima dona they have at Quarterback. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 I hav been frustrated that we tend to leave Kelce alone in particular. Being extremely physical with him at the line is the best way to try and control him. 7 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share Posted January 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: https://www.facebook.com/builtinbuffalo/videos/tredavious-white-set-the-tone-early-welcome-to-the-nfl-chase-claypool-via-brian-/199701501705723/ Never saw that before. Great vid. I noticed it was from 3 seasons ago - Have they done it this year at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Never saw that before. Great vid. I noticed it was from 3 seasons ago - Have they done it this year at all? They have done it less since Tre got hurt last year. Partly because they have been trying to protect their less experienced and talented corners. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Einstein said: Never saw that before. Great vid. I noticed it was from 3 seasons ago - Have they done it this year at all? I know it was from the past but I actually had it saved lol we do try occasionally… the only problem is tre is coming back from injury … and getting his hands on guys at the LoS is still a work in progress It’s very hit or miss at the NFL level with that aggressiveness… if you don’t get successful hands you will get burned Dane doesn’t really have the ability… Elam does 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 If you bump the receiver you better divert him inside. If you allow them to get past you up the seam you're cooked against someone like Burrow. Is that a chance you want to take with Hamlin back there? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Bills don’t have physical CBs like that. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Chucking recievers is generally used when you are doing man to man and leaving DBs on island. I do wonder if we will use it some this week on Higgins due to rotating the defense towards Chase who is scary good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Bills don’t have physical CBs like that. Kaiir Elam played extremely physical at Florida. Maybe if we actually gave him playing time, he’d have the experience/trust for the staff to let him go out and do some of this stuff. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: Kaiir Elam played extremely physical at Florida. Maybe if we actually gave him playing time, he’d have the experience/trust for the staff to let him go out and do some of this stuff. Why play our first round CB when we can continue to see Dane Jackson get cooked down after down? 2 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein said: This is not a complaint, just a question. Trying to learn if perhaps there is a good reason why we don’t. It makes sense to me that if you chuck the opponents receivers, it can disrupt timing routes and timing offenses. It can make a QB hold onto the ball for an extra half second and that can be the difference between a sack and a completion. But the most i’ve seen the Bills defense do is play press. I can’t recall seeing them get physical and chuck the WR. Is there a reason why? Primarily a Zone team 1. when in man I have seen our DBs try and get hands on at the line. Sometimes they do sometimes they don’t. Elam seems to be the best at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Why didn't we chuck Hill and Kelce during the 13 seconds debacle? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: If you miss your cooked. No then you roll your safeties. You Chuck and run. It’s called man coverage and we have 2 guys that are really good at it. It will also get Burrow sacked. Ask Von since it worked in last year’s SB. You can do this when you have a good nickel and tangy LBs that can play zone in the middle. Edited January 2, 2023 by Locomark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 Scheme and player "ability". I know they can all do it but zone guys are generally very good at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 30 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Why didn't we chuck Hill and Kelce during the 13 seconds debacle? Because if Levi or Dane missed then 13 seconds woulda been Minneapolis Miracle take II in Kansas City. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 31 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Why didn't we chuck Hill and Kelce during the 13 seconds debacle? Because if they didn’t convert the chuck, they likely would’ve scored a TD. Who would you have chosen to chuck Tyreek? And who would you have chosen to chuck Kelce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 34 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Why didn't we chuck Hill and Kelce during the 13 seconds debacle? Simple, we have dumb coaches 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share Posted January 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Because if Levi or Dane missed then 13 seconds woulda been Minneapolis Miracle take II in Kansas City. Ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Kaiir Elam played extremely physical at Florida. Maybe if we actually gave him playing time, he’d have the experience/trust for the staff to let him go out and do some of this stuff. the staff has seen enough, don't you think? he's likely getting burned in practice by the 1's. 38 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Why didn't we chuck Hill and Kelce during the 13 seconds debacle? Kelce is a big strong dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: it is amazing how Jaire Alexander has suddenly come out of nowhere. This guy talks the best trash and is seriously legit. Where has he been these last 5 years in the NFL? He's living rent free in alot of NFL heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Einstein said: This is not a complaint, just a question. Trying to learn if perhaps there is a good reason why we don’t. It makes sense to me that if you chuck the opponents receivers, it can disrupt timing routes and timing offenses. It can make a QB hold onto the ball for an extra half second and that can be the difference between a sack and a completion. But the most i’ve seen the Bills defense do is play press. I can’t recall seeing them get physical and chuck the WR. Is there a reason why? I think as Elam grows, you will see him do it on his side of the field cause that is his game. Edited January 2, 2023 by PrimeTime101 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Ferguson Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Because if they didn’t convert the chuck, they likely would’ve scored a TD. Who would you have chosen to chuck Tyreek? And who would you have chosen to chuck Kelce? Dane for Tyreek and Edmunds for Kelce. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Dane for Tyreek and Edmunds for Kelce. 🤣 Dane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: 🤣 Dane. I do agree about Edmunds for Kelce. Have Edmunds manhandle Kelce and then pass him off to a CB while Edmunds runs back to the middle of the field that he typically covers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: it is amazing how Jaire Alexander has suddenly come out of nowhere. This guy talks the best trash and is seriously legit. Where has he been these last 5 years in the NFL? Isnt he the top paid corner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 27 minutes ago, Einstein said: I do agree about Edmunds for Kelce. Have Edmunds manhandle Kelce and then pass him off to a CB while Edmunds runs back to the middle of the field that he typically covers. How quickly do you think he can run back there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 3 hours ago, Joe Ferguson said: Why didn't we chuck Hill and Kelce during the 13 seconds debacle? You mean blatant tackle, up to and including yank party on a face mask... good question 46 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said: Dane for Tyreek and Edmunds for Kelce. Hell to the no, and i havent been piling on dane like a lot of the board Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, Einstein said: I do agree about Edmunds for Kelce. Have Edmunds manhandle Kelce and then pass him off to a CB while Edmunds runs back to the middle of the field that he typically covers. He’s got the physical attributes to be able to. But you’re asking him to do something he doesn’t do very often, vs the TE that might have the best release package in history. He swings and misses and it could be game- same for Dane. Levi made a terrible play considering the coverage play call. That’s the main reason we lost. We didn’t execute the play the way the coaches drew it up. It’ll always be on McD and Frazier’s head, but Levi blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 2, 2023 Author Share Posted January 2, 2023 18 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: How quickly do you think he can run back there? I don’t know but he seems to recover pretty quickly even when he is fooled. 18 minutes ago, NewEra said: We didn’t execute the play the way the coaches drew it up. I’m not so sure about that. Bills coverage was the same on both plays, indicating to me that it was how the coaches drew it up. Kelce told Mahomes in the huddle, if they play that coverage again, im running the seam. The Bills did and he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Einstein said: I don’t know but he seems to recover pretty quickly even when he is fooled. I’m not so sure about that. Bills coverage was the same on both plays, indicating to me that it was how the coaches drew it up. Kelce told Mahomes in the huddle, if they play that coverage again, im running the seam. The Bills did and he did. It’s ok if you’re not sure. It happened. Ask Levi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, NewEra said: It’s ok if you’re not sure. It happened. Ask Levi Yea Levi has admitted he played his assignment incorrectly. Doesn't mean the call was the right one, but there was definitely an execution break down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea Levi has admitted he played his assignment incorrectly. Doesn't mean the call was the right one, but there was definitely an execution break down. Yeah. We’ll never know if it was the right one if the play was executed as planned. The biggest debacle of the coaching breakdown was kicking the ball out of the end zone. Forcing a return gives them one pass play, it 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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