Devin Singletary not scoring a TD with 34 seconds left

[NoSaint]

1 hour ago, Greg S said:

 

In normal conditions then absolutely. In those conditions that wasn't a chip shot. If Bass slips and misses the kick and they lose, then this board would be going nuclear on McDermott and Singletary. It worked out so who cares now as the Bills won.

 

if he ran in and bass slipped and got 17 yards on the kickoff we would’ve lost our minds. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, Rochesterfan said:

 

So you were worried about a slip on a short FG, but would of been ok with the longer XP and a significantly more important kickoff.

 

I just don’t know what to say.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_City_Miracle

 

Avoid kicking off, avoid backwards pass plays and all the crap that comes with them (i know NE just lost on one, but i feel like players get hurt and there's always a chance for a stupid TD).  It was a 25 yard field goal with no time left.  

 

5 FGs have been missed inside 30 this year, on 190 attempts.  Thats a 97% success rate, and if Bass says he's got it - i trust him. 

[hemma]

50 minutes ago, Chuck Schick said:

Did anyone noticeably slip at any point during the game?  I think Tua stumbled once, but not really a slip. 

 

May have been my imagination, but it looked to me like their entire front 7 had a tough time gaining traction after it started snowing.  Motor would hit the line and in my head would pop ‘2 yards’, but all of a sudden he’d still be moving and come out the other side with 6 or 8.  Some of it was push after the contract, but their front 7 looked like they were on skates.  

I think he got 36 on 7 carries on the last drive.

 

 

[Orlando Tim]

16 hours ago, Neo said:

Full disclosure.   I’ve not coached an NFL team and I’ve not run the numbers, but:

 

Seems to me odds of taking the TD and allowing 34 seconds and winning are greater than running out the clock and kicking the FG.  Assumption:  No team misses an xtra point if they get a TD.  Situation becomes Bills up by seven.

 

Miami has to score a TD in 34 seconds and then beat us in OT.  I think this is less likely than a FG on that turf (cleared or not) with that makeshift OL.

 

One poster has Hill living rent free in McDermott’s mind.  There may be something to this.

The numbers state that a chip shot field goal is a 99% proposition, which is why the extra points was moved back. The numbers state Waddle and Hill are fast enough that if one defender slips they will go to the house. The numbers are by a large margin on the decision made, not your theoretical world. 

[Cash]

1. Sanchez criticized Singletary for not scoring, but then seconds later started pontificating about how the Dolphins should've pushed him into the endzone.  So my takeaway is that Sanchez was just talking in the hopes he'd say something smart.

 

2. It's true that even a short FG isn't a given in those conditions.  It's also true that tackling one of the fastest players in the NFL isn't a given in those conditions, and the Dolphins have 3 of the fastest players in Hill, Waddle, and Mostert.

[Steptide]

Here's why Sanchez was annoyed Imo. Sanchez wanted a sexy ending to the game. Bills score and go up 7, Sanchez wanted to see Miami go down the field in 1 min and tie it up for overtime. That would've been the more entertaining finish and Imo, that's what he wanted to see without telling the audience that's what he wanted 

[Buckets]

On 12/18/2022 at 10:42 AM, chongli said:

 

McD is growing up! Bills 6-3 this year in games decided by one score or less! Take that Cowherd.

Yeah about that, have we had enough one score wins to satisfy everyone who was bitching about that so we can get back to blowing out our competition? 😁

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

Here's why Sanchez was annoyed Imo. Sanchez wanted a sexy ending to the game. Bills score and go up 7, Sanchez wanted to see Miami go down the field in 1 min and tie it up for overtime. That would've been the more entertaining finish and Imo, that's what he wanted to see without telling the audience that's what he wanted 

 

Like most announcers, I'll bet Sanchez just wanted to get out of the stadium as early as possible.

[Neo]

4 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

The numbers state that a chip shot field goal is a 99% proposition, which is why the extra points was moved back. The numbers state Waddle and Hill are fast enough that if one defender slips they will go to the house. The numbers are by a large margin on the decision made, not your theoretical world. 

Your condescension aside, and with no comment on the theoretical world you constructed to critique mine, any decision is made in all of our theoretical worlds.  McD made a choice in his theoretical world.  That’s the topic.   I’m not sure I’m correct, but i’d like to see the number of TDs in thirty seconds vs chip shots in snow globes.  We could name the combinations and permutations of 22 players at a time slipping.  Everyone has their favorite risk and uses that as evidence.  None can be eliminated.  I’ll take the points in hand (100%, and the only inarguable certainty in this mess of a debate) and defend.  Sitting in front of a television watching 300 pound men pawing at plastic grass trying to move slippery snow made the points on the board very valuable to me.  You can disagree.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

7 hours ago, hemma said:

 

May have been my imagination, but it looked to me like their entire front 7 had a tough time gaining traction after it started snowing.  Motor would hit the line and in my head would pop ‘2 yards’, but all of a sudden he’d still be moving and come out the other side with 6 or 8.  Some of it was push after the contract, but their front 7 looked like they were on skates.  

I think he got 36 on 7 carries on the last drive.

 

 

Snow helps an offensive line.

Edited December 20, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[CoudyBills]

On 12/18/2022 at 10:27 AM, WhoTom said:

Yeah, I was in the "he should have scored the TD" camp for the reasons you gave. Ideally, you want to leave no time on the clock, but this ain't Mahomes we're dealing with. I doubt Tua could engineer a miraculous TD drive in the snow with 30 seconds and no TOs.

 

 

All he need to engineer was another 1 play drive to Waddle or Tyreek.  

[Rochesterfan]

21 minutes ago, Neo said:

Your condescension aside, and with no comment on the theoretical world you constructed to critique mine, any decision is made in all of our theoretical worlds.  McD made a choice in his theoretical world.  That’s the topic.   I’m not sure I’m correct, but i’d like to see the number of TDs in thirty seconds vs chip shots in snow globes.  We could name the combinations and permutations of 22 players at a time slipping.  Everyone has their favorite risk and uses that as evidence.  None can be eliminated.  I’ll take the points in hand (100%, and the only inarguable certainty in this mess of a debate) and defend.  Sitting in front of a television watching 300 pound men pawing at plastic grass trying to move slippery snow made the points on the board very valuable to me.  You can disagree.  

Well considering in that game alone the Dolphins already had a 3 play 51 second 72 yard touchdown drive and early had a 5 play drive at slightly over 1 minute for a FG.

 

The week before the Dolphins had a 3 play 65 yard TD drive in just over 1 minute.

 

A 7 play 53 yard TD against the Browns in 53 seconds.

 

A 4 play 75 yard drive against Chicago - it took 2 minutes with the running clock, but using a timeout and with OOB time stops that would have been 30 seconds of game time.

 

A similar 4 play 70+ yard drive versus Detroit for a TD.

 

4 Long TD drives versus Baltimore - 2 in 1 minute and 2 slightly longer because of the clock rules.

 

So on the season the Dolphins have about 10+ drives of 60 to 90+ yards in 7 plays or less - several in 3 or 4 plays and several in well under a minute without using timeouts or OOB stoppage that they have here at the end.

 

So to me - a shot at a 97-99% chip shot FG versus giving the ball back to a team that has already scored 10 times on long limited play drives with time and a timeout should be a no brainer 100% kick the FG with :00 on the clock and do not give them the chance to perhaps score to tie or choose to win.

 

Control the outcome on offense.

 

 

[CoudyBills]

8 hours ago, Greg S said:

 

In normal conditions then absolutely. In those conditions that wasn't a chip shot. If Bass slips and misses the kick and they lose, then this board would be going nuclear on McDermott and Singletary. It worked out so who cares now as the Bills won.

If only the team had some sort of idea of the field conditions.  

[Orlando Tim]

55 minutes ago, Neo said:

Your condescension aside, and with no comment on the theoretical world you constructed to critique mine, any decision is made in all of our theoretical worlds.  McD made a choice in his theoretical world.  That’s the topic.   I’m not sure I’m correct, but i’d like to see the number of TDs in thirty seconds vs chip shots in snow globes.  We could name the combinations and permutations of 22 players at a time slipping.  Everyone has their favorite risk and uses that as evidence.  None can be eliminated.  I’ll take the points in hand (100%, and the only inarguable certainty in this mess of a debate) and defend.  Sitting in front of a television watching 300 pound men pawing at plastic grass trying to move slippery snow made the points on the board very valuable to me.  You can disagree.  

You stated "the odds of scoring the TD and running out the clock is greater than a field goal" which is wrong. Not allowing the other team to touch the ball makes the worst case an OT game. Your way creates the chance of missed Extra Point or the Dolphins getting a two pt conversion. My way is 1% OT, based on old EP stats, your way is worse odds. 

[Pags24]

He made the correct and selfless decision in not scoring.  Don't give Miami an opportunity to score a TD.... game over

[Billsatlastin2018]

Vigorous debate in the bar. We couldn’t hear the announcer, but I was certain Motor gave it up.

 

Most of us, given the conditions, thought that was very unwise. Notwithstanding, I knew the TO situation. Identical to Baltimore, except for the snow falling. We couldn’t even see whether the FG went through!

 

NO chance Tua leads them to a tieing Td with 34 ticks.

Unwise imho.

[Scott7975]

He did the right thing. Whether people are agreeing with it or not, realize he was coached to do so. This was the coach learning from 13 seconds. 

[Don Otreply]

27 minutes ago, Pags24 said:

He made the correct and selfless decision in not scoring.  Don't give Miami an opportunity to score a TD.... game over

This ^^^
 

 I said it before, and I’ll say it again, McDermott et all, removed Hill and Waddle, from the equation by not scoring the available TD, and then successfully kicking the field goal,

 

… then McDermott dropped the mic 🎤 and walked to the locker room, singing softly to himself, “damn it feels good to be a gangster” …, 
 

 

[ExiledInIllinois]

1 hour ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

NO chance Tua leads them to a tieing Td with 34 ticks.

Unwise imho.

And we'll never know or want to know either way 

 

It was right choice.

 

The FG was shorter than a new PAT. Miami had the wind.  Miami was Offside. If they messed up, another kick would have been from 2. Old PAT distance...

Edited December 20, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois

[FireChans]

100% the right call with Waddle and Hill on the opposing team. Two of the biggest "one play TD" threats in the NFL.

 

If the Bills have the chance to do the same thing against the Chiefs or the Bengals in the postseason, I hope they do the exact same thing.

[John from Riverside]

3 hours ago, Neo said:

Your condescension aside, and with no comment on the theoretical world you constructed to critique mine, any decision is made in all of our theoretical worlds.  McD made a choice in his theoretical world.  That’s the topic.   I’m not sure I’m correct, but i’d like to see the number of TDs in thirty seconds vs chip shots in snow globes.  We could name the combinations and permutations of 22 players at a time slipping.  Everyone has their favorite risk and uses that as evidence.  None can be eliminated.  I’ll take the points in hand (100%, and the only inarguable certainty in this mess of a debate) and defend.  Sitting in front of a television watching 300 pound men pawing at plastic grass trying to move slippery snow made the points on the board very valuable to me.  You can disagree.  

There are downsides to it anyway that you look at I just think that the bills wanted control of their destiny if you score, and then you turn the ball over to Miami with one time out and all that speed on the office of side, kind of taking it out of your own hands

[Rochesterfan]

6 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:

Vigorous debate in the bar. We couldn’t hear the announcer, but I was certain Motor gave it up.

 

Most of us, given the conditions, thought that was very unwise. Notwithstanding, I knew the TO situation. Identical to Baltimore, except for the snow falling. We couldn’t even see whether the FG went through!

 

NO chance Tua leads them to a tieing Td with 34 ticks.

Unwise imho.

 

Nope - no chance Tua leads them to a TD with 34 seconds and a timeout - I mean just because it had already happened once in that game already.  

 

I mean it is not like the Dolphins had completed a 60+ yard TD pass earlier in the game as part of a 3 play 72 yard TD drive in 50 seconds with no timeouts.

 

Whether you could see the ball was a camera angle on TV - at the game it was obvious it went through.

Percentage chance to win - A FG/XP from the pre moved XP days was about 98%

 

The Dolphins have 10 TD drives of 6 plays or less and 60+ yards on about 140 drives that is about 7%.

 

Therefore the Bills scoring a TD gave the Dolphins over 3 times the percentage increase in a chance to tie or win the game. 
 

A TD was the wrong move 100% of the time in that situation.  I can not understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

Even if he missed the FG - it meant OT - whereas a kick-off to Miami meant they controlled whether the game went to OT or maybe they go for 2 and the win and you lose in regulation.

 

Just look at the Browns/Jets game earlier in the season where Chubb just had to go down to guarantee a victory - instead he scored and the Jets scored 2 TDs (with an on-side kick) to win the game.  Just look at earlier in the day where Minnesota came back from 33 points with some big plays.  Heck just look at how Miami beat Baltimore earlier in the season with 3 long TD passes late in the game to overcome an insurmountable deficit.

 

I just can not believe there is any debate about whether it was the right call because all of the numbers and analytics support the decision.  Plus the mantra of the Bills (and most teams) is control what you can control.  If they can control the final play for a win - that is what teams want to do.  That is always what they should be doing - you have control over the outcome.  
 

Giving the ball back to Miami allows the Refs and the Dolphins to have input and gives the Dolphins control over plays and whether to score and go for 2 and win or tie with an XP.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

He did the right thing. Whether people are agreeing with it or not, realize he was coached to do so. This was the coach learning from 13 seconds. 

 

The only thing I will say is 13 seconds occurred because the Bills needed a TD because they were down by 4.  If a FG was needed to win - the Bills never leave 13 seconds, but in that game they had to take the TD when it came.

 

I am not saying he hasn’t learned from the 13 seconds, but it was not like the coaching staff wanted to leave 13 seconds - they just needed a TD to overcome the 4 point deficit.  
 

They learned from watching the Browns lose to the Jets on a similar play and they already knew the Dolphins (and several offensive teams like themselves) have the ability to easily move and at least have TD looks in 30+ seconds with a timeout.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Nope - no chance Tua leads them to a TD with 34 seconds and a timeout - I mean just because it had already happened once in that game already.  

 

I mean it is not like the Dolphins had completed a 60+ yard TD pass earlier in the game as part of a 3 play 72 yard TD drive in 50 seconds with no timeouts.

 

Whether you could see the ball was a camera angle on TV - at the game it was obvious it went through.

Percentage chance to win - A FG/XP from the pre moved XP days was about 98%

 

The Dolphins have 10 TD drives of 6 plays or less and 60+ yards on about 140 drives that is about 7%.

 

Therefore the Bills scoring a TD gave the Dolphins over 3 times the percentage increase in a chance to tie or win the game. 
 

A TD was the wrong move 100% of the time in that situation.  I can not understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

Even if he missed the FG - it meant OT - whereas a kick-off to Miami meant they controlled whether the game went to OT or maybe they go for 2 and the win and you lose in regulation.

 

Just look at the Browns/Jets game earlier in the season where Chubb just had to go down to guarantee a victory - instead he scored and the Jets scored 2 TDs (with an on-side kick) to win the game.  Just look at earlier in the day where Minnesota came back from 33 points with some big plays.  Heck just look at how Miami beat Baltimore earlier in the season with 3 long TD passes late in the game to overcome an insurmountable deficit.

 

I just can not believe there is any debate about whether it was the right call because all of the numbers and analytics support the decision.  Plus the mantra of the Bills (and most teams) is control what you can control.  If they can control the final play for a win - that is what teams want to do.  That is always what they should be doing - you have control over the outcome.  
 

Giving the ball back to Miami allows the Refs and the Dolphins to have input and gives the Dolphins control over plays and whether to score and go for 2 and win or tie with an XP.

 

I commend this post to the house. I think it is so obvious I couldn't be bothered to write all this out myself. But to the letter it is correct. 

 

The only thing I'd add is if we take the touchdown and Miami scores the touchdown to level I think it would have been 90%+ that they go for 2. What is there for them to lose in that situation? They are the team behind in the divisional race. They are the one who needed the win more from a "getting into the postseason" perspective. They almost certainly try and win the game there and then. 

 

It was 100% the right move from Devin to go down. And with two defenders converging even staying up to fight for 1 extra yard would have risked them dragging him into the endzone. He played it perfectly. 

[eball]

After @Rochesterfan’s post the thread should have been closed.

 

Great work.

 

[hemma]

@Rochesterfan

 

Great, well researched post!

 

[BullBuchanan]

On 12/19/2022 at 12:50 PM, Rochesterfan said:

 

So you were worried about a slip on a short FG, but would of been ok with the longer XP and a significantly more important kickoff.

 

I just don’t know what to say.

If he slips on the XP, he already scored the touchdown - don't understand how that figures into it. The bills kickoff and game is over. He should be less likely to slip on the kickoff, but if he does then they get the ball at their own 40,45 best case scenario? So they get one play to throw the ball 55+ yards. Ok fine. If that's the worst case scenario I'm cool with that.

If they miss the FG, there's a chance the bills never possess the ball again and lose.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If he slips on the XP, he already scored the touchdown - don't understand how that figures into it. The bills kickoff and game is over. He should be less likely to slip on the kickoff, but if he does then they get the ball at their own 40,45 best case scenario? So they get one play to throw the ball 55+ yards. Ok fine. If that's the worst case scenario I'm cool with that.

If they miss the FG, there's a chance the bills never possess the ball again and lose.

 

34 seconds and 1 time out. That is minimum 4 maximum 6 plays. It was not down to a single play hail mary scenario if Singletary scored. 

 

All the analytics says you play for the kick there. It was 100% the right move.

[BullBuchanan]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

34 seconds and 1 time out. That is minimum 4 maximum 6 plays. It was not down to a single play hail mary scenario if Singletary scored. 

 

All the analytics says you play for the kick there. It was 100% the right move.

Not if you go down after the first down bleed the clock off and then score with under 10 seconds like I suggested. As a data guy, there aren't any analytics that take into account the specific weather conditions.

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Not if you go down after the first down bleed the clock off and then score with under 10 seconds like I suggested. As a data guy, there aren't any analytics that take into account the specific weather conditions.

 

The problem with fighting even a yard further for the first down is that as the defenders converged they could well have dragged him into the endzone. Singletary judged it right. Not like the snow was deep, was easily clearable before the kick as the Bills in fact did. They played it perfectly.

[Rochesterfan]

11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If he slips on the XP, he already scored the touchdown - don't understand how that figures into it. The bills kickoff and game is over. He should be less likely to slip on the kickoff, but if he does then they get the ball at their own 40,45 best case scenario? So they get one play to throw the ball 55+ yards. Ok fine. If that's the worst case scenario I'm cool with that.

If they miss the FG, there's a chance the bills never possess the ball again and lose.

 

So you bleed the clock to what - the Dolphins stopped the clock with 34 seconds with their final timeout.  If you run the ball to score it takes what 4-5 seconds - you are kicking off to the Dolphins with 30 seconds left - you can’t bleed the clock unless you go down in play.

 

So if you are scoring you are giving them 30 seconds - probably 4 plays to get a shot at a TD.  That is significantly easier for the Dolphins to still win than standing there with 0:02 seconds and trying to stop a FG from the 20 yard line.

 

In your scenario the only way to do what you suggest would be after Singletary went down - have him run another play and get down to bleed the clock to 10 seconds, use a timeout, then run another play trying to score and hope he doesn’t get held up and either he scores or you still have to kick a FG after additional snaps.

 

It is insane and 100% the worst way to play it.

 

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

On 12/20/2022 at 5:41 AM, Rochesterfan said:

 

Nope - no chance Tua leads them to a TD with 34 seconds and a timeout - I mean just because it had already happened once in that game already.  

 

I mean it is not like the Dolphins had completed a 60+ yard TD pass earlier in the game as part of a 3 play 72 yard TD drive in 50 seconds with no timeouts.

 

Whether you could see the ball was a camera angle on TV - at the game it was obvious it went through.

Percentage chance to win - A FG/XP from the pre moved XP days was about 98%

 

The Dolphins have 10 TD drives of 6 plays or less and 60+ yards on about 140 drives that is about 7%.

 

Therefore the Bills scoring a TD gave the Dolphins over 3 times the percentage increase in a chance to tie or win the game. 
 

A TD was the wrong move 100% of the time in that situation.  I can not understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

Even if he missed the FG - it meant OT - whereas a kick-off to Miami meant they controlled whether the game went to OT or maybe they go for 2 and the win and you lose in regulation.

 

Just look at the Browns/Jets game earlier in the season where Chubb just had to go down to guarantee a victory - instead he scored and the Jets scored 2 TDs (with an on-side kick) to win the game.  Just look at earlier in the day where Minnesota came back from 33 points with some big plays.  Heck just look at how Miami beat Baltimore earlier in the season with 3 long TD passes late in the game to overcome an insurmountable deficit.

 

I just can not believe there is any debate about whether it was the right call because all of the numbers and analytics support the decision.  Plus the mantra of the Bills (and most teams) is control what you can control.  If they can control the final play for a win - that is what teams want to do.  That is always what they should be doing - you have control over the outcome.  
 

Giving the ball back to Miami allows the Refs and the Dolphins to have input and gives the Dolphins control over plays and whether to score and go for 2 and win or tie with an XP.

 

 

Methodical drive lasting nearly 6 minutes, leaving no time on the clock for last minute heroics, a stake through the heart and The End. 
 

It was beautiful, man. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 12/20/2022 at 5:41 AM, Rochesterfan said:

 

Nope - no chance Tua leads them to a TD with 34 seconds and a timeout - I mean just because it had already happened once in that game already.  

 

I mean it is not like the Dolphins had completed a 60+ yard TD pass earlier in the game as part of a 3 play 72 yard TD drive in 50 seconds with no timeouts.

 

Whether you could see the ball was a camera angle on TV - at the game it was obvious it went through.

Percentage chance to win - A FG/XP from the pre moved XP days was about 98%

 

The Dolphins have 10 TD drives of 6 plays or less and 60+ yards on about 140 drives that is about 7%.

 

Therefore the Bills scoring a TD gave the Dolphins over 3 times the percentage increase in a chance to tie or win the game. 
 

A TD was the wrong move 100% of the time in that situation.  I can not understand how anyone could argue otherwise.

 

Even if he missed the FG - it meant OT - whereas a kick-off to Miami meant they controlled whether the game went to OT or maybe they go for 2 and the win and you lose in regulation.

 

Just look at the Browns/Jets game earlier in the season where Chubb just had to go down to guarantee a victory - instead he scored and the Jets scored 2 TDs (with an on-side kick) to win the game.  Just look at earlier in the day where Minnesota came back from 33 points with some big plays.  Heck just look at how Miami beat Baltimore earlier in the season with 3 long TD passes late in the game to overcome an insurmountable deficit.

 

I just can not believe there is any debate about whether it was the right call because all of the numbers and analytics support the decision.  Plus the mantra of the Bills (and most teams) is control what you can control.  If they can control the final play for a win - that is what teams want to do.  That is always what they should be doing - you have control over the outcome.  
 

Giving the ball back to Miami allows the Refs and the Dolphins to have input and gives the Dolphins control over plays and whether to score and go for 2 and win or tie with an XP.

 

 

Good post. Can't believe this is still being debated

[Rochesterfan]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The problem with fighting even a yard further for the first down is that as the defenders converged they could well have dragged him into the endzone. Singletary judged it right. Not like the snow was deep, was easily clearable before the kick as the Bills in fact did. They played it perfectly.

 

Totally correct - if you watch the Dolphin that dives over Singletary- he was not going to wrap up - the 2 Dolphin potential tacklers were both coming from behind and looked after he went down like they had intentions of trying to hit and drive him forward toward the goal line.

 

I don’t think either one had intentions of trying to tackle him in play.

 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The problem with fighting even a yard further for the first down is that as the defenders converged they could well have dragged him into the endzone. Singletary judged it right. Not like the snow was deep, was easily clearable before the kick as the Bills in fact did. They played it perfectly.

They played it perfectly is all that needs to be said. 

[Htt2821]

I am legit shocked this has gone 18 pages…unreal. 

[Rubes]

I mean, it also comes down to this: at that point in the game, the only way Miami controls their destiny (not by "hoping" Buffalo screws up) is by getting the ball back. In that situation, the only way they get the ball back is either Singletary scoring, or the Bills messing up the FG.

 

Why would you ever strategically give the opposing team what they want?

 

[BullBuchanan]

47 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

So you bleed the clock to what - the Dolphins stopped the clock with 34 seconds with their final timeout.  If you run the ball to score it takes what 4-5 seconds - you are kicking off to the Dolphins with 30 seconds left - you can’t bleed the clock unless you go down in play.

 

So if you are scoring you are giving them 30 seconds - probably 4 plays to get a shot at a TD.  That is significantly easier for the Dolphins to still win than standing there with 0:02 seconds and trying to stop a FG from the 20 yard line.

 

In your scenario the only way to do what you suggest would be after Singletary went down - have him run another play and get down to bleed the clock to 10 seconds, use a timeout, then run another play trying to score and hope he doesn’t get held up and either he scores or you still have to kick a FG after additional snaps.

 

It is insane and 100% the worst way to play it.

 

 

I'm not giving them 30 seconds. How many times do I have to say it? I'm giving them 5-10 with no timeouts.

Edited December 21, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[KHAN]

46 minutes ago, Htt2821 said:

I am legit shocked this has gone 18 pages…unreal. 

Unfortunately almost every thread turns in to combative attacks on each other rather than a friendly discourse if opinions/ideas. Hate for Brady/Belichick threads seem to have more camaraderie. lol

 

From my POV, the Bills had 2 options that both had very high win percentages. They chose one .It worked. You can make a cogent argument for either choice. Now it's mostly just people who feel the need to argue for arguments sake.

 

 

 

Nothing good ever comes after page 1.

Edited December 21, 2022 by KHAN

[kota]

It won us the game.  Not sure why people are so crazy about this.  If he scored that gives Miami around 30 seconds on the clock to try and match the game.  This way you give them no time and a chip shot FG that was shorter than an extra point.  You have to believe that your kicker will make that 100 percent of the time.  

Glad McD has more faith than you all.