So, is Elam playing this week?

[MJS]

On 12/9/2022 at 6:05 PM, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

The reasoning for him not playing last week was hilarious. This teams obsession with STs in this day and age is mind blowing. You’d think we’d actually be good at it

We are good at it. Bills have one of the best special teams units in the league.

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

…..and built the team that is a favorite in Vegas to win the SB. Yet I have seen nobody claim we are perfect, as he would leave you to believe. We ALL know there are many faults and thin spots. Loudly claiming we are imperfect is merely agreeing with the rest of us. We get it. 

I have no problem with people pointing out the truth. Many of the haters and naysayers around here create falsehoods about the team, players, and especially coaches, going way overboard and demanding firings or that certain players suck. And if we point out those falsehoods, we are just homers and can't handle criticism of the team.

[Einstein]

56 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Tariq Woolen looks even better and could've selected him in the 2nd. 

 

Just looked him up. PFF agrees with your positive assessment!

[Don Otreply]

33 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

Low hanging fruit, like this post...

LOL,

[3rdand12]

Elam was and is a work in progress. I thought everyone knew that when he was drafted ?
 and let us not get into the argument about where he was drafted and the Fans expectations please. ty
Can Bills Coach this Kid up to his ceiling over he next few seasons? They must think they can or would not have drafted him , don't you all think ?

 and McD is hardly going to give up on him (healthy scratch) as he is going to put the best players on the field for each game as the situation demands.
 If Rhodes gave them a better shot with his EXP in defending that Offense ? Well what better to motivate Elam to learn what Xavier brings to the game that he does not.
Patience is allowed at OBD

18 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

LOL,

You seem angry

 

LOL 

Edited December 11, 2022 by 3rdand12

[Ethan in Cleveland]

46 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

Elam was and is a work in progress. I thought everyone knew that when he was drafted ?
 and let us not get into the argument about where he was drafted and the Fans expectations please. ty
Can Bills Coach this Kid up to his ceiling over he next few seasons? They must think they can or would not have drafted him , don't you all think ?

 and McD is hardly going to give up on him (healthy scratch) as he is going to put the best players on the field for each game as the situation demands.
 If Rhodes gave them a better shot with his EXP in defending that Offense ? Well what better to motivate Elam to learn what Xavier brings to the game that he does not.
Patience is allowed at OBD

You seem angry

 

LOL 

Agreed. 

Now also just never say Beane doesn't draft for need. He drafts for need all the time. Not even saying Elam was a bad pick, but we all knew the moment White tore his knee they were drafting CB in the first round.

[Thurman#1]

On 12/10/2022 at 7:00 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Who knows how the mysterious, soulless ginger mind works?

 

 

 

Most seem to think it's not all that mysterious, from what I hear people like Cover1, Buscaglia and others saying.

 

Elam's not there yet with zone coverage, is what most think. And we're primarily a zone team, though our frequency changes game to game. In man, Elam seems to already be the best of the group behind White, most likely. But he needs work on zone.

 

Is anyone saying much different?

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Agreed. 

Now also just never say Beane doesn't draft for need. He drafts for need all the time. Not even saying Elam was a bad pick, but we all knew the moment White tore his knee they were drafting CB in the first round.

 

 

He doesn't draft for need, as he's made clear. But he does drop guys if they aren't fits or at positions of need. That effectively lifts guys at positions of need a bit higher. And if there are several guys very very closely evaluated he absolutely goes with the guy at the position of need. Pretty much everyone does.

 

But he does not reach for need. It's a core principle for him. He believes it's bad for the team. I'd argue he's correct about that.

 

We were drafting CB in the first round if there was a good one there for us. There was, in their opinion. We'll see down the line how correct they were.

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

All I know is that McDuffie looks like an absolute stud in KC and I really wish Beane gathered the testicular fortitude to do the move up that Veach did. And quite frankly, judging Beane's reaction when KC moved up in that behind-the-scenes draft room video, I think he was pissed they took McDuffie.

 

No matter what some posters try to convince you of, Elam has not been good. He's been "okay" at times, but he has not been good. It was evident before last week but him being inactive last week really thrust that reality into the limelight. 

 

And the worse part is that he is becoming WORSE as the season goes on. Between games 2 and 6 it looked like he may have turned a corner, with an average coverage grade of 68.3 - Then the last 3 games happened, where he had an average coverage grade of 50.9 and an average tackling grade of 33!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's ridiculous. Elam's been good sometimes, particularly when they play man, and OK a large amount of times, and bad other times.

 

They knew it was likely to take time. He was a man-to-man guy being drafted onto a team that plays more zone, and a particularly intricate and reactive zone as well. 

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

The Bills are not perfect though.

 

This is the same GM/HC combo that had one of the best Guards in the NFL on their roster and couldn't see it, so they traded him for a 5th (6th?) round pick. And the same duo that gave up a 3rd(!!!) round pick for Kelvin Benjamin. And the same duo that picked Cody Ford over DK Metcalf.

 

Im not sayng they're a bad duo (even the best make mistakes). I'm just stating that the Bills thinking they know what they're getting doesnt make them right.

 

 

You're right that they're not perfect. Significant misstatement on Teller, though.

 

They didn't have one of the best guards on the NFL on their roster. They had on their roster a guy who would turn into one of the best guards in the run game but not all that great at the passing game when put into a different system with a different coach. When the Bills had him, he wasn't especially good. They just didn't have room on the team for a guy playing the way he was playing. It's also questionable whether he would play as well as he plays in Cleveland in our scheme. 

 

Fair enough on Benjamin, though that move got them to the playoffs. And fair enough on Ford.

 

Are you now going to go through all of the good to great moves they made? Or just find ones that are negative?

 

Your constant focus on the negative on an extremely good team is easily noticeable.

 

Yes, that they did it doesn't make it right. But as far as looking at the past tells you about the future, the fact that most of the stuff they do is right means it's more likely than not to be right, though not a sure thing, certainly.

Edited December 11, 2022 by Thurman#1

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

That's ridiculous. Elam's been good sometimes, particularly when they play man, and OK a large amount of times, and bad other times.

 

They knew it was likely to take time. He was a man-to-man guy being drafted onto a team that plays more zone, and a particularly intricate and reactive zone as well. 

 

It’s not that intricate.

 

Benford picked it up easily. 

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s not that intricate.

 

Benford picked it up easily. 

 

 

Sorry, that's dumb.

 

Because one guy with one background picks something up simply does not mean that every guy with every background, every capability, and every physical build,  should pick it up as quickly. That's simply not the way it works.

 

It's the way a guy desperate to win an argument and susceptible to confirmation bias argues. But it simply doesn't fit with the real world.

 

Elam dealt with almost all man-to-man in college.

 

Go back and look at the draft reports. It's all over them that Benford was really good in zone. See the difference there?

 

"Excellent in zone coverage, whether he is playing tight or soft coverage."

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/christianbenford

[strive_for_five_guy]

Looks like playing

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, strive_for_five_guy said:

Looks like playing

 

 

Good. 

[JDubya76]

Is Gilliam hurt? I don’t think I have noticed him be a healthy scratch over the last two years.

[Einstein]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sorry, that's dumb.

 

Because one guy with one background picks something up simply does not mean that every guy with every background, every capability, and every physical build,  should pick it up as quickly. That's simply not the way it works.

 

The idea that a player hasn't picked up the intricacies of a normal NFL defense after EIGHT MONTHS with the playbook, practices, film room study and games, because he played mostly man-to-man in college is just absurd.

 

Your argument might have held water in training camp... but at this point? 3/4 of the way through the season? That's just typical homer defense mechanism.

 

Its kind of funny. Some people think learning a playbook is like learning quantum physics or something. 

[John from Riverside]

21 hours ago, Einstein said:

All I know is that McDuffie looks like an absolute stud in KC and I really wish Beane gathered the testicular fortitude to do the move up that Veach did. And quite frankly, judging Beane's reaction when KC moved up in that behind-the-scenes draft room video, I think he was pissed they took McDuffie.

 

No matter what some posters try to convince you of, Elam has not been good. He's been "okay" at times, but he has not been good. It was evident before last week but him being inactive last week really thrust that reality into the limelight. 

 

And the worse part is that he is becoming WORSE as the season goes on. Between games 2 and 6 it looked like he may have turned a corner, with an average coverage grade of 68.3 - Then the last 3 games happened, where he had an average coverage grade of 50.9 and an average tackling grade of 33!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

McDuffie has been hurt so much this year. How can you even determined that

10 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s not that intricate.

 

Benford picked it up easily. 

Elam was a pure man press corner, coming out of college. The bills play a lot of zone. This is not that difficult to understand.

[Rochesterfan]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

McDuffie has been hurt so much this year. How can you even determined that

Elam was a pure man press corner, coming out of college. The bills play a lot of zone. This is not that difficult to understand.

 

He is just such a stupid troll - it is not funny.  
 

He throws crap out and acts like it means something.  Like McDuffie - calling him a stud with barely over 5 games - giving up over 50% completion rate and more TDs than Ints.

 

He is pure stupidity.

 

 

[billsfan89]

Wasn’t the rumored reason for Elam’s benching an injury that happened last minute and wasn’t on the injury report? Basically they had to list him as a “healthy” scratch for reporting reasons not because he was actually healthy and ready to go? If that’s the case I would say it’s likely that Elam plays.

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

McDuffie has been hurt so much this year. How can you even determined that

 

It’s been widely reported, lots of analysis on it, high pff grades, the WR’s he has faced have been locked down, etc. 

 

He has been a stud.

 

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

He is just such a stupid troll - it is not funny.  
 

He throws crap out and acts like it means something.  Like McDuffie - calling him a stud with barely over 5 games - giving up over 50% completion rate and more TDs than Ints.

 

He is pure stupidity.

 

 

 

And you’re just flat out wrong. You should probably see a therapist to work through your inability to cope with any criticism directed toward a team you like.

 

 

Edited December 11, 2022 by Einstein

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s been widely reported, lots of analysis on it, high pff grades, the WR’s he has faced have been locked down, etc. 

 

He has been a stud.

 

 

And you’re just flat out wrong. You should probably see a therapist to work through your inability to cope with any criticism directed toward a team you like.

 

 

Would take woolen and sauce over him immediately

[boyst]

He's outplaying white. 

[iccrewman112]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Would take woolen and sauce over him immediately

you would have had to move up 20+ picks to get Sauce. Who and/what picks would you have traded to make that happen.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, iccrewman112 said:

you would have had to move up 20+ picks to get Sauce. Who and/what picks would you have traded to make that happen.

That wasn’t the point that was being made it was someone saying that the corner that the Chiefs drafted was so good in his whole five games

[MiltonWaddams]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

That wasn’t the point that was being made it was someone saying that the corner that the Chiefs drafted was so good in his whole five games

what I read by that poster was that PFF rated him highly during those five games. We all know how meaningful PFF is here on TSW. Who can deny the infallible PFF?

[Einstein]

8 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Would take woolen and sauce over him immediately

 

I agree i would take Sauce.

Dont know enough about Woolen, so can’t comment.

[Big Turk]

10 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I agree i would take Sauce.

Dont know enough about Woolen, so can’t comment.

 

Wooten has been better than Sauce 

[No_Matter_What]

Anybody has an idea why he wasn't on the field at least some drives instead of Dane (or even White, for that matter)?

 

Seems like a mystery to me.

[HappyDays]

Zero defensive snaps.

 

I usually trust this staff's personnel decisions but I don't get this one at all.

[Virgil]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Zero defensive snaps.

 

I usually trust this staff's personnel decisions but I don't get this one at all.

At least he wasn’t out number one pick…..

[bobobonators]

This is kinda confusing

[Punching Bag]

On 12/9/2022 at 4:58 PM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Or will he be another healthy scratch?

 

Better yet, why was he a healthy scratch last week? I'm not convinced Rhodes is the better option out there.

 

 

Rhodes was scratched.

[hemma]

0?

Must have been late for a meeting.

[DapperCam]

Even if the issue was just not being good in zone you would think he’d get mixed in on some man coverage stuff. He must have screwed up somehow.

[davefan66]

14 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

Zero defensive snaps.

 

I usually trust this staff's personnel decisions but I don't get this one at all.

How bad do they believe he is that Dane gets to stay in the field?  Dude got killed today.

[BananaB]

Typical McDermott crap.  How many high draft picks have had a slow transition to the game because they rarely see the field? Most of them for his D, while they don’t try to get anyone who can help our O. Get new ***** scouts if you can’t draft a guy high that can help the team now.  ***** brutal.

[Einstein]

Elam had 0 snaps on defense today.

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Elam had to have done something wrong off field. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, NUT said:

What is going on with this? Jackson had yet another terrible game.

My guess is something like late to a meeting or something. He did something to fall in the doghouse.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

My guess is something like late to a meeting or something. He did something to fall in the doghouse.

 

He just wasnt playing well.

[BuffBills51]

Jackson has been terrible this year. I can’t see where Elam or Rhoads could be any worse. I never thought I would say that I miss Levi Wallace. 

Edited December 11, 2022 by BuffBills51