What Happened After Halftime of the Packers Game?

[st pete gogolak]

Opened the season crushing the defending Super Bowl champs on the road despite four turnovers.  Crushed last year's AFC #! seed at home.  Lost a freakish heartbreaker at Miami despite a rash of injuries and hellish and unfair conditions on the field.  Came back with a gutsy comeback win on the road at Baltimore.  Destroyed Pittsburgh at home.  Great game on the road for a well-deserved win against arch nemesis KC.  5-1 going into the bye.  

 

I hadn't felt as confident of a win going into a game as I did Green Bay.  Rested, getting some players back going against team at the bottom of the league stopping the run.  Good game to get our run game healthy. Up 24 - 7 at the half.  Offense looked fine.  Defense looked soft against the run, which was a surprise given how sturdy we had been against the run the first six games.  At that point, Josh Allen had 19 TD passes against 4 interceptions and was favorite to win MVP.  He took a couple of big hits early in the second half and hasn't looked the same since.  Since halftime of the Packer game Allen has 4 TD passes against 7 interceptions (including 3 red zone INT's) and a fumble on a QB sneak that cost the Viking game.  He looked bad against the Jets well before the elbow injury.  I'm convinced Allen suffered some sort of injury early in the second half of the Packer game.  It just seems statistically impossible to play 6 1/2 games so well and the next 4 1/2 either mediocre or flat out bad.  Granted, the lousy offensive line play hasn't helped.  Brown has been a big disappointment.  

 

Our defense after getting gouged by Green Bay and the Jets on the ground has rebounded nicely in stopping the run (other than the 80 yard Cook run).  Pass defense has been bad but hopefully that will be cured by getting some of our guys back. 

 

The one thing this team needs is one big game from Allen showing that he is back.  That, and staying relatively healthy and we will be fine.

[Scott7975]

Well ya see it went a little something like this... they went into the locker room and went to grab their peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches. In its place was grilled cheese sandwhiches.  They complained but the staff said this is what you are getting at halftime from now on because the hoarders bought up all the peanut butter.  The players said screw that.  Im no giving it 100% until i get my pb&j.  Its been a game of chicken between the players and the staff ever since.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

I think Josh was concussed in that game.

[TheBeaneBandit]

I believe the Las Vegas Mafia has a family member of Josh locked in a basement and at any time can call him in his helmet and demand he throws and unexplainable int. unless he wants a finger mailed back to him. The family member may have been kidnapped right before the Packers game....

[ArtVandalay]

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

[Einstein]

 

[dhgold]

I've wondered the same same thing as the original poster and came to the same conclusion as Pine Barrens Mafia -- that JA was concussed at some point in the first half. The play show in the video posted by Einstein sure seems like the sort of collision which could result in a concussion.

 

My WTF moment was the red zone interception he threw in the 2nd half against Green Bay.  This intimation of negativity was confirmed when he threw a similar pick against the Jets.

 

Josh needs to make sliding an ingrained habit. As it is, he reminds me of my late, great dog who had a great respect for barbed wire when he was in a calm state, but when his blood was up, say when he spotted prey on the other side, he would run right through it. (Trips to the vet and time on the IR often ensued.)

[MJS]

I think it started with overconfidence. Josh stopped taking the easy throws and started looking for only the big throws. Once he threw a lot of INT's and actually lost the team a couple of games, it hurt his confidence and he is working his way back from that. Plus, the elbow injury.

 

As for the team as a whole? Injuries caught up to them. Their depth held for awhile, but now there is significant film on all our backups, and they are backups for a reason.

[Dick_Cheney]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I think Josh was concussed in that game.

 

This is the correct answer. It was minor, which is still very not good. He shook his head a time or two in a way that really made it obvious. 

 

Not long after that, the injuries kicked in. And here we are. 

[Lenigmusx]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I think Josh was concussed in that game.

I think it was the hit that he took running to the boundary in the second quarter. It was heavy contact and Josh got up fired up and said “I love that sh$t”. I am convinced he was concussed as well as some rib injury. 

[BillsBlue]

2 hours ago, st pete gogolak said:

Opened the season crushing the defending Super Bowl champs on the road despite four turnovers.  Crushed last year's AFC #! seed at home.  Lost a freakish heartbreaker at Miami despite a rash of injuries and hellish and unfair conditions on the field.  Came back with a gutsy comeback win on the road at Baltimore.  Destroyed Pittsburgh at home.  Great game on the road for a well-deserved win against arch nemesis KC.  5-1 going into the bye.  

 

I hadn't felt as confident of a win going into a game as I did Green Bay.  Rested, getting some players back going against team at the bottom of the league stopping the run.  Good game to get our run game healthy. Up 24 - 7 at the half.  Offense looked fine.  Defense looked soft against the run, which was a surprise given how sturdy we had been against the run the first six games.  At that point, Josh Allen had 19 TD passes against 4 interceptions and was favorite to win MVP.  He took a couple of big hits early in the second half and hasn't looked the same since.  Since halftime of the Packer game Allen has 4 TD passes against 7 interceptions (including 3 red zone INT's) and a fumble on a QB sneak that cost the Viking game.  He looked bad against the Jets well before the elbow injury.  I'm convinced Allen suffered some sort of injury early in the second half of the Packer game.  It just seems statistically impossible to play 6 1/2 games so well and the next 4 1/2 either mediocre or flat out bad.  Granted, the lousy offensive line play hasn't helped.  Brown has been a big disappointment.  

 

Our defense after getting gouged by Green Bay and the Jets on the ground has rebounded nicely in stopping the run (other than the 80 yard Cook run).  Pass defense has been bad but hopefully that will be cured by getting some of our guys back. 

 

The one thing this team needs is one big game from Allen showing that he is back.  That, and staying relatively healthy and we will be fine.

talked to death here....I agree he was concussed

 

 

[NewEra]

He misses Daboll.  
 

He’s favoring his elbow.

 

Dorsey is struggling with red zone play calling.

 

Our WRs aren’t getting open enough 

[Boatdrinks]

Something changed after the bye week. I don’t think it was halftime of the Packers game. Josh just seemed different. The Bills were rolling and the the bye week happened. 

[Trock]

Joshs head just hasn’t been right since. Concussion or fear. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

3 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I think Josh was concussed in that game.

So here we are 5-weeks after that game and he’s what Pine? Still dizzy, having headaches, woozy, and nobody on the staff noticed? 
 

Josh secretly never told anyone?

 

The Bills were in on it and withheld from the league? 

 

44 minutes ago, Trock said:

Joshs head just hasn’t been right since. Concussion or fear. 

🙄🙄🙄

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

He misses Daboll.  
 

He’s favoring his elbow.

 

Dorsey is struggling with red zone play calling.

 

Our WRs aren’t getting open enough 

Any evidence that he is favoring the elbow? 

[Big Turk]

56 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Something changed after the bye week. I don’t think it was halftime of the Packers game. Josh just seemed different. The Bills were rolling and the the bye week happened. 

 

They were dominating the Packers in the first half and the Bills looked like the Greatest Show on Turf.

4 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

So here we are 5-weeks after that game and he’s what Pine? Still dizzy, having headaches, woozy, and nobody on the staff noticed? 
 

Josh secretly never told anyone?

 

The Bills were in on it and withheld from the league? 

 

🙄🙄🙄

Any evidence that he is favoring the elbow? 

 

By the way he is finessing so many throws and saving the fastballs for only the plays he really feels he needs them for.

 

Now that he is a full go in practice maybe he feels ready to let it rip again more often.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They were dominating the Packers in the first half and the Bills looked like the Greatest Show on Turf.

 

By the way he is finessing so many throws and saving the fastballs for only the plays he really feels he needs them for.

 

Now that he is a full go in practice maybe he feels ready to let it rip again more often.

He was asked point blank after the Vikings if he was limited at all in the game, he immediately responded “no” without hesitation.

 

Did you see any finesse on that ripper throw to Davis in the endzone that hit him in the hands that he dropped? 
 

I think fans make things up in their head to fit a narrative. 

[Process]

5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

He was asked point blank after the Vikings if he was limited at all in the game, he immediately responded “no” without hesitation.

 

Did you see any finesse on that ripper throw to Davis in the endzone that hit him in the hands that he dropped? 
 

I think fans make things up in their head to fit a narrative. 

Of course he's gonna say no. He's not Aaron Rodgers.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, Process said:

Of course he's gonna say no. He's not Aaron Rodgers.

So I guess it’s a coverup. 
 

On the elbow things fit the narrative until he fires a 36-yard rope, or converts a 3rd-15 and 3rd-16 on the same drive.
 

On the concussion, he was dizzy for 2-3 weeks and just never told anyone, and no one on the Bills staff seemed to care about the franchise QB to get him into protocol.

 

 

[WyoAZBillfan]

Three or four games of constipation by the offense, some flashback memories for the defense and chafed hands by the coach. 
 

No worries, it’s all getting sorted now!

 

 Go Bills!

[Big Turk]

16 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

So I guess it’s a coverup. 
 

On the elbow things fit the narrative until he fires a 36-yard rope, or converts a 3rd-15 and 3rd-16 on the same drive.
 

On the concussion, he was dizzy for 2-3 weeks and just never told anyone, and no one on the Bills staff seemed to care about the franchise QB to get him into protocol.

 

 

 

I'm not sure what part of he was saving his arm for the throws he really needed it for you missed.

 

It isn't a question of "can he do it", it's a question of "how much does it hurt" when he does it and if he can avoid that pain then he will when it's not absolutely needed.

 

Romo seemed pretty certain his elbow was bothering him on some throws, but what would he know...he only played for a decade in the NFL as a QB and played hurt a bunch too.

Edited November 29, 2022 by Big Turk

[Boatdrinks]

32 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

They were dominating the Packers in the first half and the Bills looked like the Greatest Show on Turf.

 

By the way he is finessing so many throws and saving the fastballs for only the plays he really feels he needs them for.

 

Now that he is a full go in practice maybe he feels ready to let it rip again more often.

They were dominating  but still something just seemed off with Josh. He just didn’t seem quite the same. 

[wagon127]

Usually teams that dominate week after week, end up losing the super bowl, or not even getting there. A little adversity is good for them.

[Putin]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

He misses Daboll.  
 

He’s favoring his elbow.

 

Dorsey is struggling with red zone play calling.

 

Our WRs aren’t getting open enough 

All could be true 

[DrPJax]

4 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I think Josh was concussed in that game.

     Based on what proven data, not your opinion from tv or the stands ?. Also please explain how a concussion protocol based on reproducible science , can be cleared in 5 days and part includes not having recurrent symptoms and tests memory and cognition. Yet your “ theory” for Josh throwing ints, and  and the D giving up long runs and many chunk plays on third and long as they failed  to hold a 17 point lead , is Josh had a concussion?  Yet people were verbally attacking players or others on the forum for ” misinformation” before? 👍🤣
 

     Seems fair and like a totally , well thought out, scientifically reproducible theory and you might consider starting a go fund me site so mafia members can donate 17$ a pop so Josh can afford an exam by an independent neurologist !  It’s terrible thinking his processing is so scrambled affecting his play and even elbow perhaps, and he is waking, driving a car,practicing, calling plays, doing podcasts , filming commercials , and in a long ongoing relationship with his GF and family who somehow have not noticed behavioral changes despite these ongoing post concussive effects.   Might want to send an overnight letter to the Bills medical staff , they prob are not trained or have experience with TBI situations, and not much time left before we play the Pats!  
 

(I know you’re JK , right , and just wanted to joke a little!  Best wishes , Happy holidays! 🎄😊) 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

I'm not sure what part of he was saving his arm for the throws he really needed it for you missed.

 

It isn't a question of "can he do it", it's a question of "how much does it hurt" when he does it and if he can avoid that pain then he will when it's not absolutely needed.

 

Romo seemed pretty certain his elbow was bothering him on some throws, but what would he know...he only played for a decade in the NFL as a QB and played hurt a bunch too.

Yeah yeah WGR whined all morning about his “compromised” elbow and then he was a full participant today in practice.

 

Owusu-Koramowa directly chops his elbow 2-weeks ago and Allen doesn’t rub it or come out of the game, or wince. 
 

I was at the game so I didn’t hear the broadcast, but apparently Romo droned on and on about it after every incompletion. 

 

But then Josh goes 90-yards for the go-ahead TD and suddenly the elbow isn’t a problem. 
 

I guess when you use every incompletion as evidence then your narrative looks pretty good. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

11 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

Well ya see it went a little something like this... they went into the locker room and went to grab their peanut butter and jelly sandwhiches. In its place was grilled cheese sandwhiches.  They complained but the staff said this is what you are getting at halftime from now on because the hoarders bought up all the peanut butter.  The players said screw that.  Im no giving it 100% until i get my pb&j.  Its been a game of chicken between the players and the staff ever since.

Well, they may have got a little of their PB&J back.😉

 

 

[Thurman#1]

Looked to me like he started playing hero ball for a game or two. And when he figured that out and corrected it, he got the elbow problem.

 

And the elbow problem absolutely is a problem at times. He can still throw hard when he puts his whole body into it. But he usually can throw hard as hell almost flat-footed.

Edited November 29, 2022 by Thurman#1

[The Wiz]

7 hours ago, Putin said:

All could be true 

I still think @Scott7975 is on to something with the pb&j though. 

[GunnerBill]

26 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

Looked to me like he started playing hero ball for a game or two. And when he figured that out and corrected it, he got the elbow problem.

 

And the elbow problem absolutely is a problem at times. He can still throw hard when he puts his whole body into it. But he usually can throw hard as hell almost flat-footed.

 

I just think he had a stinker against the Jets. I don't know that it was hero ball or anything else, he just played poorly. He is entitled to have a bad game every now and again. Then the injury occurred but equally as concerning to me was he got into his own head about it and the mistakes against Minnesota were absolutely a guy pressing and by the first half of that Cleveland game he was a mess. His mechanics in the first half of that game were all over the shop. His feet were fidgeting his throwing motion was shot (that bit possibly injury affected) but really the moment he found Stef in the back of the endzone before HT in that game it was like he let out a huge sigh of relief and while he hasn't been at his best the game and a half since that point he has been back to more like the Josh we know. I thought he played a really good game in Detroit. Maybe not an A+ but a solid A-/B+. 

 

I actually wonder if that McDermott / Stef chat we saw on the touchline was not about Stef at all. I wonder if it was McDermott saying to Stef "I need you to be a leader and get through to Josh, just calm him down." We will likely never know but I have wondered. The thing I love about Josh Allen is he olds himself accountable at all times. Never makes excuses, is the first one to hold his hands up when he has played poorly. But it is a fine balance between holding yourself accountable and beating yourself up. And I think after the Jets game he might have slipped into beating himself up a bit. 

[NeverOutNick]

I said it right after that game. Josh got hurt during that big hit on the sideline. He’s been hiding that he’s injured because he’s a warrior and then the next week gets his elbow jacked up. Dude is gutting through this but you can tell it’s taking a toll on him because he’s having to try and play different and more forced at times because of his injuries. Love the guy and hope he gets well soon so we can get back to “13 second” Josh form that were used to since last years playoffs and up until that second half of the GB game. 

[Airseven]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

He misses Daboll.  
 

He’s favoring his elbow.

 

Dorsey is struggling with red zone play calling.

 

Our WRs aren’t getting open enough 

All true. Also, Beane failed to improve the OL and now Allen had panic feet behind it. Also, let’s be honest, Allen has never been consistent and always prone to erratic turnovers.

[Dr. Who]

3 minutes ago, Airseven said:

All true. Also, Beane failed to improve the OL and now Allen had panic feet behind it. Also, let’s be honest, Allen has never been consistent and always prone to erratic turnovers.

Until this year, I don't remember red zone turnovers. That is the new bad thing. It's probably a combination of factors, but lack of creativity by Dorsey is part of the problem.

[GunnerBill]

10 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

Until this year, I don't remember red zone turnovers. That is the new bad thing. It's probably a combination of factors, but lack of creativity by Dorsey is part of the problem.

 

The play he got picked on last week, not really on Josh, is a play we have run at least 4 or 5 times in the redzone this year. You have to believe that Defensive coordinators are watching the tape on that play and saying "play the run and then if he pulls it back get your hands up."

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The play he got picked on last week, not really on Josh, is a play we have run at least 4 or 5 times in the redzone this year. You have to believe that Defensive coordinators are watching the tape on that play and saying "play the run and then if he pulls it back get your hands up."

Watch the Chargers from 5-yards in, goal to go, and then watch us. 

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Watch the Chargers from 5-yards in, goal to go, and then watch us. 

 

Ironically, I think Dorsey's best call in the short redzone all year was the 4th down in Miami when Josh missed Isaiah for a walk-in touchdown. It hasn't been great down there. I like that he is at least trying to call RB runs in that area, Dabes had all but given up on it, but it feels at times like it is Singletary up the middle because he doesn't really have many other ideas. 

Edited November 29, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Straight Hucklebuck]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Ironically, I think Dorsey's best call in the short redzone all year was the 4th down in Miami when Josh missed Isaiah for a walk-in touchdown. It hasn't been great down there. I like that he is at least trying to call RB runs in that area, Dabes has all but given up on it, but it feels at times like it is Singletary up the middle because he doesn't really have man other ideas. 

This is 100% correct. 

 

You saw the same thing I did, simple motion across the formation, running start, and simple toss to the far pylon for easy touchdowns. 

 

Those kind of throws have replaced the corner-fade/jumpball style TDs. 

[Governor]

I think he sustained a shoulder injury on one of his runs. Ball hasn’t come out well since.

[Repulsif]

10 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 he immediately responded “no” without hesitation.

That's a tell for me