Khalil Shakir's pic on a milk carton

[Bob in STL]

7 minutes ago, Beast said:

What a great idea it was to wash our hands of Cole Beasley.

His career is essentially over.  

 

 

[Ya Digg?]

4 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Yes how else would we be 8-3 without Cole Beasley?

Let’s be honest, the people who keep bringing up Beasley are the epitome of just wanting to argue. They are the same people who if the Bills had kept Beasley would be complaining that he’s hurt, he’s not getting enough yards, he’s taking away snaps from McKenzie/Shakir…they’re very predictable 

[Beast]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

His career is essentially over.  

 

 

And if you believe it would be over if he stayed with the Bills I guess you can have fun with that thought.

 

 

[The Red King]

12 minutes ago, Beast said:

What a great idea it was to wash our hands of Cole Beasley.

 

Yes, because Beasley showed how much he had left in his tank before Tampa cut him. 🙄

[bobobonators]

Much like Sky Moore on the Chiefs, it’s kinda hard for rookies to make an impact on a loaded roster of a Super Bowl contender. 
 

Even if we are down a WR or two… unless Davis and Diggs are out, there simply isn’t the target share to go around. Add in the fact that we’ve been trying to run more and throw less the last few weeks and it makes perfect sense he’s nowhere to be found. 
 

Diggs/Davis/McKenzie/Knox are the passing offense. 

Edited November 27, 2022 by bobobonators

[Bob in STL]

5 minutes ago, Beast said:

And if you believe it would be over if he stayed with the Bills I guess you can have fun with that thought.

 

 

I believe that he was declining and so do about 30 other NFL teams.  

 

He has played in 2 games for Tampa this season, 4 receptions for 17 yards.   

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Beast]

1 minute ago, The Red King said:

 

Yes, because Beasley showed how much he had left in his tank before Tampa cut him. 🙄

Yeah, right. Remind me again…when did Beasley sign with Tampa? How familiar was he with the system?

 

But we have McKenzie’s 2 good games a year and Shakir’s 0 good games a year to fall back on. Those guys are amazing.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

This coaching staff keeps rookies on a very short leash. 
I think Shakir and McKenzie’s snap count is getting closer to a 60/40. Maybe that leads to Shakir having a “breakout” game soon. 

 

McKenzie's snap count has varied greatly from game to game, according to what personnel sets the Bills are using that game.  vs the Browns, it hit a season low of 40%, 26 snaps; Detroit was a season high of 73% (56 snaps), but overall he's been rocking a fairly steady 37 snaps per game (55%).

 

Shakir's has too, of course, leading to his season-high of 34 snaps with the 3 guys ahead of him all playing vs. Detroit, but overall, he's been playing a relatively steady average of 16 snaps per game. 

 

Maybe if Shakir is able to do something with the 16 snaps per game he's getting, he'll get more.

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by Beck Water

[Beast]

Just now, Bob in STL said:

I believe that he was declining and so do about 30 other NFL teams.  

 

Well, he moved the sticks 34 times last season. He moved the sticks 37 in his first year as a Bill.

 

We all know what happened and why he isn’t here. And I won’t get into that.

[The Red King]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Yeah, right. Remind me again…when did Beasley sign with Tampa? How familiar was he with the system?

 

But we have McKenzie’s 2 good games a year and Shakir’s 0 good games a year to fall back on. Those guys are amazing.

 

Take off the nostalgia goggles.  Players drop off over time.  The Beasley we'd have this season isn't the same as last season or the one before.  If he was, some team would have snapped him up and stuck with him.  Sadly, like any other player, in any other sport, his ability dropped off with age.  It's why we don't re-sign Bruce Smith right now to bolster our D-line.  Blame Father Time.

[Bob in STL]

Just now, Beast said:

Well, he moved the sticks 34 times last season. He moved the sticks 37 in his first year as a Bill.

 

We all know what happened and why he isn’t here. And I won’t get into that.

He was fantastic then.   Now he no longer moves the sticks for any team.   Reality can be harsh at times.  

[DaggersEOD]

6 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Let’s be honest, the people who keep bringing up Beasley are the epitome of just wanting to argue. They are the same people who if the Bills had kept Beasley would be complaining that he’s hurt, he’s not getting enough yards, he’s taking away snaps from McKenzie/Shakir…they’re very predictable 

I’m sure that’s what “they” are after. 🙄🙄
 

It has nothing to do with a lack of decent slot play since he left. 
 

I get it, you’re a hater. 👍
 

Just silly to have such strong personal feelings associated with a retired ex-player and the fans who expected OBD to have a plan for slot once he left. 

[Beast]

1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

He was fantastic then.   Now he no longer moves the sticks for any team.   Reality can be harsh at times.  

Yea, the reality is harsh.

 

That reality being that neither of our slot guys can carry Cole Beasley’s jock.

[The Red King]

3 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said:

I’m sure that’s what “they” are after. 🙄🙄
 

It has nothing to do with a lack of decent slot play since he left. 
 

I get it, you’re a hater. 👍
 

Just silly to have such strong personal feelings associated with a retired ex-player and the fans who expected OBD to have a plan for slot once he left. 

 

People pointing out that his skills have declined and that every other team in the NFL feels the same is "strong feelings"?

 

I like the guy.  I liked what he did here.  But, as I pointed out above, everyone's skills decline over time.

 

1 minute ago, Beast said:

Yea, the reality is harsh.

 

That reality being that neither of our slot guys can carry Cole Beasley’s jock.

 

I mean that's obvious.  That's why Cole is playing so well for...wait...who is he playing for right now? 🤔

Edited November 27, 2022 by The Red King

[klos63]

3 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

I dunno but he has played 25% of the snaps on the season and 44% of the snaps against Detroit.  Got his second biggest opportunity of the season against Detroit and did nothing with it.  Dude is invisible.

Do you think McKenzie should have sat more against Detroit?

[Bob in STL]

Just now, Beast said:

Yea, the reality is harsh.

 

That reality being that neither of our slot guys can carry Cole Beasley’s jock.

TRUE.   We have not successfully replaced him.  You are correct on that point.   No one is arguing that. 

 

You are wrong to believe that he is the same player he was 2 and 3 seasons ago.  He is not.  If he was, he would be showing that on the field.  

 

Let it go. 

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

As I said... either he isnt getting open or Josh doesnt want to throw him the ball.  There is nothing else it can be.

Or that Diggs and Davis are better options. Or the plays aren't designed for our 5th round rookie, instead for our top flight players. It can be something else, or a combination of things. I'd rather passes go to Diggs, Davis and Knox first.

15 minutes ago, Beast said:

Well, he moved the sticks 34 times last season. He moved the sticks 37 in his first year as a Bill.

 

We all know what happened and why he isn’t here. And I won’t get into that.

He didn't want to be here is a big reason why. Plus he's retired, another big reason.

[HOUSE]

Kensington and Bailey 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

We should be proud of his initiative to combat osteoporosis 

[US Egg]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

Beane’s draft this year was brutal.

Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.

 

Bet you’re not the sharing kind.

[Bob in STL]

I am going with the basic assumption that Shakir does not get open enough and maybe even does the wrong things at times.  I do not think Josh trusts him enough in crunch time.  He trusts Diggs, Davis, Knox and McKenzie much more.   That is where he will go.  

 

It takes a while for some receivers to develop, and it takes a while for them to get on the same page as their QB.  An injury to Crowder is the reason we are even talking about Shakir.  It is not like he emerged from great play in practice.   This is not preseason against 4th stringers.  Josh and Shakir have had little time to work together.  

 

Next year Shakir should be much better.  This year you take what you can get from the 5th round rookie.  He is promising but probably not going to be an impact player just yet.  

Edited November 27, 2022 by Bob in STL

[gobills404]

As much as some of y’all love to rip on Gabe for his hands, Shakir has even worse catch and drop rates. Might be why Josh isn’t looking his way.

[FieldGeneral]

To be fair, Knox has been invisible for 90% of games. Watch the film after games and watch how much Allen stares down Diggs and Davis. The other guys are open, Allen doesn't seem to trust them or himself enough.

[Scott7975]

59 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Do you think McKenzie should have sat more against Detroit?

 

Obviously not.  He had a good game.

[machine gun kelly]

4 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

I swear, the Bills actually have a guy named Khalil Shakir, a much touted rookie who has pulled a disappearing act.

 

Shakir has only had 2 targets in the last 4 games, and zero targets in the last two games when the Bills were only carrying 4 WRs.

 

What happened?  Can't get open?  Dissed the coaches?  Tried to hit on Josh's GF?

I voted the last.  Oh, wait not a poll.  Besides JA would’ve just kicked his ars.  Besides Spencer Brown wouldn’t let him and would just souphlex the dude.

 

”Handled Josh”.  Thanks Spencer.

[Sharky7337]

My question for this thread is how many posters had to google what this saying means about having your picture on a milk carton lol

Edited November 27, 2022 by Sharky7337

[DaggersEOD]

1 hour ago, The Red King said:

 

People pointing out that his skills have declined and that every other team in the NFL feels the same is "strong feelings"?

 

I like the guy.  I liked what he did here.  But, as I pointed out above, everyone's skills decline over time.

 

 

I mean that's obvious.  That's why Cole is playing so well for...wait...who is he playing for right now? 🤔

Oh I 100% agree the dude is done. His body quit and that’s the end of the road for a player whose success depended on his suddenness. 
 

I don’t think OBD will sign him and I don’t want them to. 
 

I think what “they” are doing bringing him up is to both vent frustration at an important position falling short and to troll for those posters who have an over the top emotional reaction every time he’s brought up. 
 

It’s like they can’t help themselves and bite every single time. 😅🤣

[babulator]

He's played 44% of the offensive snaps, he's probably been the 3rd option on those snaps 100% of the time.

 

I think our offensive woes lie more with the Dorsey transition than anything else. Using guys differently, calling different plays, etc etc.

 

Give him time.

[clayboy54]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

Cook looks dangerous running the ball.  
 

Ironically enough, he looks shaky af in the passing game. 

Yes, he’s had a few very good runs. “A few” being the key idea here. He has not shown enough to cause coaches to take somebody else off the field more often then they already are.

[JoshAllin]

5 hours ago, Dan Darragh said:

I swear, the Bills actually have a guy named Khalil Shakir, a much touted rookie who has pulled a disappearing act.

 

Shakir has only had 2 targets in the last 4 games, and zero targets in the last two games when the Bills were only carrying 4 WRs.

 

What happened?  Can't get open?  Dissed the coaches?  Tried to hit on Josh's GF?

Probably just getting outplayed by mckenzie

[clayboy54]

4 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Well he had 35 snaps (64%) against Detroit.  Either he aint getting open or Josh doesnt want to throw him the ball.  Thats plenty of looks in a game to do something.

 

Could be but it seems to me that just about every player the Bills draft takes "a little time."  Last drafted player I can recall really making an immediate impact was Tre White.  Everyone else seems to take until their rookie contract is about to expire or is just an ok role player at best.

“Just about every” is a real reach here. They’ve definitely missed completely on a few, a few have taken time to become serviceable, but just in the fast handful of years, they found Rousseau, Elam, Hamlin, Davis, Bass, Jackson, Knox, Singletary, Oliver, and of course Allen, Dawkins, Edmunds and Johnson. They’re all starting within a year or two of their selection. I hope you don’t typically expect day-1 impact from most draft choices, because that’s not realistic.

 

This is not to say each of the above are superstars. They are high quality contributors with growth potential. So, let’s not confuse somebody saying guys like Edmunds suck with the fact they all became NFL quality players in less than 3-years.

[todd]

He’s a rookie. A 5th round rookie. This is one of those posts where someone is fishing for negativity. Annoying.

[todd]

9 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

“Just about every” is a real reach here. They’ve definitely missed completely on a few, a few have taken time to become serviceable, but just in the fast handful of years, they found Rousseau, Elam, Hamlin, Davis, Bass, Jackson, Knox, Singletary, Oliver, and of course Allen, Dawkins, Edmunds and Johnson. They’re all starting within a year or two of their selection. I hope you don’t typically expect day-1 impact from most draft choices, because that’s not realistic.

 

This is not to say each of the above are superstars. They are high quality contributors with growth potential. So, let’s not confuse somebody saying guys like Edmunds suck with the fact they all became NFL quality players in less than 3-years.

Can’t forget Milano 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

“Just about every” is a real reach here. They’ve definitely missed completely on a few, a few have taken time to become serviceable, but just in the fast handful of years, they found Rousseau, Elam, Hamlin, Davis, Bass, Jackson, Knox, Singletary, Oliver, and of course Allen, Dawkins, Edmunds and Johnson. They’re all starting within a year or two of their selection. I hope you don’t typically expect day-1 impact from most draft choices, because that’s not realistic.

 

This is not to say each of the above are superstars. They are high quality contributors with growth potential. So, let’s not confuse somebody saying guys like Edmunds suck with the fact they all became NFL quality players in less than 3-years.

 

Im sorry but I disagree with you.  Most of these guys on the list is exactly what I said... guys that have been ok but didnt really become anything impactful.  The ones that did become impactful are towards the end of their rookie contract.  This team needs players to be an impact when they are cheap, not just when its time to re-sign them. 

 

 

[freddyjj]

48 minutes ago, babulator said:

He's played 44% of the offensive snaps, he's probably been the 3rd option on those snaps 100% of the time.

 

I think our offensive woes lie more with the Dorsey transition than anything else. Using guys differently, calling different plays, etc etc.

 

Give him time.

Who is the "he" here.  Shakir has only played 25% of offensive snaps ytd.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/2022-snap-counts.htm

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by freddyjj

[fergie's ire]

5 hours ago, Irv said:

Simple solution.  Cut him and sign Da’Rick.  

Yeah...the problem is people fall in love with players during pre-season.  I don't remember who but I remember a coach saying they did very little evaluation during pre-season games.  Maybe they wanted to double check something in game action but they pretty much made their evaluations in practice.  It sounded a bit crazy at the time but the more I watch the more I've come to believe that pre-season games are a terrible way to assess talent.  Nathan Peterman looked like the next Tom Brady in pre-season.  Da'Rick looked awesome.  Players are playing at 3/4 speed and so it's not really game action.  I think Shakir could be good, but in the pre-season he looked ready and maybe he isn't.

[Bubba Gump]

I saw that milk carton. In fact, the one next to it had a picture of Dawson Knox on it. 

[billsfan89]

5 hours ago, DCofNC said:

He was a 5th round pick, expecting much of him is foolish at best.  The fact he made the active roster is a solid accomplishment.

I think the fact that he looked good in pre-season threw off people’s expectations. I would like to see a little more out of him but he is a mid round pick rookie I think he needs some time to develop. Shakir to me looks like he needs to build some strength and add a little more NFL polish to his game.

[PrimeTime101]

this makes sense, he has been missing all year long.

[Bob in STL]

49 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I think the fact that he looked good in pre-season threw off people’s expectations. I would like to see a little more out of him but he is a mid round pick rookie I think he needs some time to develop. Shakir to me looks like he needs to build some strength and add a little more NFL polish to his game.

He looked great playing against 3's and 4's in preseason.  This is a lot different.  The NFL in November/December is 4 levels of play higher than that.  

 

He needs some time to develop his game.