White, Edmunds and Rousseau - OUT

[Straight Hucklebuck]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s been practicing for 5 weeks. I believe they had him scout team for 2-3 weeks and then ramping him up to team practice the last couple weeks.

 

It seems to me like the Bills are giving him a training camp before throwing him into games. Once he starts playing I bet they give him 10-15 snaps, similar to preseason. Slowly ramping him up to a full game.

 

There really hasn’t been a reason to move any faster. They don’t face another elite level passing attack until week 15. So it’s possible White returns to play vs NE. Plays 10-15 snaps. Then half a game or more vs NY Jets. Then he’ll be ready vs Miami for full go.

 

 

He's the Bills #1 corner. 

 

No reason to bring him back quickly? 

 

Team is 6-3 and in 6th spot in the Playoff seeding. 

 

Whole situation is just strange. 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Straight Hucklebuck

[RiotAct]

36 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

No Edmunds and facing Chubb.

 

It could be a long afternoon.

AJ Klein baby!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Just now, RiotAct said:

AJ Klein baby!

 

You would think that even McDermott and Frazier would pivot and put a 3rd linebacker on the field, or a 5th DLineman, but I'm sure we'll play in the same Cover 2 shell all game. 

[muppy]

46 minutes ago, BillsFanSD said:

If the team just said "We don't want Tre's first two games to be played five days apart on one of the worst surfaces in the league so we're sitting him two more weeks" I'd be 100% cool with that.

 

Not cool with the silent treatment.

we don't like it but we have zero say in the manner. It's frustrating to just get a rote answer Yep I'm with you. #out #Notready

Edited November 18, 2022 by muppy

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Read a number of posts ripping McD for not playing him.  I'm about 95% certain McD is sitting him based on recommendations of doctors, trainer, and talking with White himself.

 

Read a quote last day or two was either in BN or Athletic, McD discussed White and was something along the lines of the player needs to know when he's ready.

[Nephilim17]

42 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

He’s still resting comfortably in his pile of money.  We sure would hate to inconvenience him by doing his job while he’s not on the injury report or IR…

If that's the case, I hope his bad leg is elevated properly on a stack of Benjamins.

[blacklabel]

46 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

I think this game will show truly how much edmunds means to our defense

 

The second half of the Minnesota game showed how important he is in this defense. Only after he went out was Minnesota able to move the ball. 

[muppy]

53 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

This seemed like an ideal spot to bring White back - now wishing we would have IR'ed him after activating him for a day.

can you post a link to this please? The "Out" list

[DasNootz]

2 minutes ago, muppy said:

can you post a link to this please? The "Out" list

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/11/18/tredavious-white-greg-rousseau-tremaine-edmunds-wont-play-for-bills-sunday/

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-injury-updates-edmunds-rousseau-white-wont-play-vs-browns/article_53f4732e-6756-11ed-b878-979a77ba2c23.html

https://www.dawgsbynature.com/2022/11/18/23466244/bills-rule-out-greg-rousseau-tredavious-white-tremaine-edmunds

[Eastport bills]

51 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I just think they’re being extra cautious and patient because they have CBs that can play.

 

There is no reason to rush him back.

They have CBs but they are pedestrian at best. Where is Rhodes? With Elam dinged, we had Cam Lewis on Justin Jefferson with the game on the line. We’re counting on rookies and depth player covering big time receivers. This magnifies any Josh hiccups in the last couple weeks. By the way, these backup CBs and safeties have stunk against the run and here comes Chubb and Hunt. I’m sorry, Hamlin has been OK.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

He's the Bills #1 corner. 

 

No reason to bring him back quickly? 

 

Team is 6-3 and in 6th spot in the Playoff seeding. 

 

Whole situation is just strange. 

 

Sorry to say that is not a desperate spot. 

I will give you strange. I really just think they’re trying to avoid the muscle injuries. 

[Spiderweb]

42 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:

Tremaine just needs to rest that groin and get healthy for the final stretch of games.

 

Not sure we should expect to see Klein get meaningful amount of snaps against Cleveland, but he's great insurance for a short turnaround against Detroit.  And with New England upcoming, he will be helpful.

 

Dodson is certainly capable and did fine against Vikings.  He's got athleticism, not Tremaine level, but if I had to pick 1-2 games to see Dodson get snaps it's against Cleveland and Detroit.

I don't think Dodson did "fine" against the Vikes. Klein on the other hand has been active and knows our defense. I expect him to get some playing time.

[RiotAct]

15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

You would think that even McDermott and Frazier would pivot and put a 3rd linebacker on the field, or a 5th DLineman, but I'm sure we'll play in the same Cover 2 shell all game. 

Dime and Quarter packages all game!  Against Jacoby Brissett and that Cleveland aerial attack.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

40 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said:

 

I disagree regarding White. He needs practice time to be able to get into some form of game shape, be able to be under the close supervision of coaches while they watch him work to assess his readiness and I have no doubt, being part of the team activities only helps the comradery and chemistry while also keeping him engaged in all of the "mental" work as well. If he is truly not able to return for the season, then I agree. But as much as I want a dome for the team, the Detroit turf is notorious for being an injury waiting to happen, so given Tre's injury it only makes sense. 

 

As for Edmunds, that's a real bummer because he has stepped up his game this year, IMHO, and the second half of the Vikings game only revealed further his relevance and importance to the Bills' Defense. Him being out against the two-headed monster of Chubb-Hunt, is less than ideal. But, next man up or get out of the way because the Bills need to find a way to win regardless - in a dome with this Offense, there should be no excuses for why the Offense can't post a hefty number on the Browns' Defense. 

I think why people are confused is he has been practicing for several weeks now and not on the injury report. So your second sentence doesn't resonate.

In the past guys would sit out all of training camp and show up and play in a week. 

If he is practicing he can play. 

That only leaves two possibilities.  He doesn't want to play or the team has a predefined timeline and they are holding him out. 

My guess it is the team but stranger things have happened when guys get their second signing bonus. White doesn't seem like a guy that would not give effort but I suspect the Bills thought the same thing about Dareus and Washington did about Haynesworth. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I just think they’re being extra cautious and patient because they have CBs that can play.

 

There is no reason to rush him back.

Yea, 2 straight loses...no practices this week....no reason....let's wait till we're 7-7.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, Eastport bills said:

They have CBs but they are pedestrian at best. Where is Rhodes? With Elam dinged, we had Cam Lewis on Justin Jefferson with the game on the line. We’re counting on rookies and depth player covering big time receivers. This magnifies any Josh hiccups in the last couple weeks. By the way, these backup CBs and safeties have stunk against the run and here comes Chubb and Hunt. I’m sorry, Hamlin has been OK.

We didn’t have Cam Lewis on Jefferson. He was the safety. We had it zone covered perfectly, Lewis messed up.

 

We don’t have 4 solid depth safeties. 
 

The injuries have added up and made it more difficult. It’s not 1 or 2 it’s 5-6 starters being out at a time. If you can’t understand that then there’s nothing to discuss.

 

Tre White would definitely help, but up until the Vikings game we haven’t needed him. And honestly it was 27-10 with a minute left in the 3rd.  
 

We’re getting to a point where it’s just too many injuries to overcome.  Get Poyer back, lose Edmunds and Rousseau. It’s frustrating.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

20 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

You would think that even McDermott and Frazier would pivot and put a 3rd linebacker on the field, or a 5th DLineman, but I'm sure we'll play in the same Cover 2 shell all game. 

Johnson is strong against the run. He makes TFL from time to time. 100% agree though and I too would like to see some creative 5-2 and 4-3 alignments.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, whorlnut said:

Agree. To me this is a similar situation that happened with Derrick rose in the nba. He was elite and an mvp and then he hurt his knee. Got cleared and still sat out. He was never the same player. I think we might need to get used to that possibly being the reality with white. 

 

If that's the case, then he needs to make a decision... a leave of absence for personal reasons and designated so we can keep the spot open and know WTH is going on or retire... this limbo status while being activated is completely unacceptable IMHO. If it is a matter of conditioning, THEN JUST SAY SO. 

[FilthyBeast]

Despite these injuries there's still no excuse to not win this game especially since weather will not be a factor.

 

Sure the Browns have the ability to run wild on this defense but it shouldn't matter if this team shows up ready to play and if they can build a decent lead early it forces it kind of negates the running game for the Browns anyway and will force Brissett to pass more which will lead to mistakes and turnovers.

 

Still think there's more to the story with White though and won't be surprised if he plays his final games in Buffalo this year, assuming he plays again at all this season.

[Bangarang]

42 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

No idea what is going on with Tre White. 

 

Our media asks snowball soft questions, but I hope they start digging into this. 

 

We've played 1/2 strength in the secondary all year. 

 

 

McD won’t give anything but a vague and generic answer regardless of the question. 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Bangarang

[EasternOHBillsFan]

8 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I think why people are confused is he has been practicing for several weeks now and not on the injury report. So your second sentence doesn't resonate.

In the past guys would sit out all of training camp and show up and play in a week. 

If he is practicing he can play. 

That only leaves two possibilities.  He doesn't want to play or the team has a predefined timeline and they are holding him out. 

My guess it is the team but stranger things have happened when guys get their second signing bonus. White doesn't seem like a guy that would not give effort but I suspect the Bills thought the same thing about Dareus and Washington did about Haynesworth. 

 

I don't like the fact that the Bills haven't cleared this up... it screams mental issues over the latter, because if they were merely holding him out for conditioning or the right time to return, they would have said so. It's as if they are hiding the truth, and I am BY FAR not a conspiracy guy.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

13 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

They have CBs but they are pedestrian at best. Where is Rhodes? With Elam dinged, we had Cam Lewis on Justin Jefferson with the game on the line. We’re counting on rookies and depth player covering big time receivers. This magnifies any Josh hiccups in the last couple weeks. By the way, these backup CBs and safeties have stunk against the run and here comes Chubb and Hunt. I’m sorry, Hamlin has been OK.

I wouldn't call Jackson pedestrian.  He has played well. And the rookies have more than held their own. 

That said there is no excuse for Cam Lewis being on the field for 4th and 18. 

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I don't like the fact that the Bills haven't cleared this up... it screams mental issues over the latter, because if they were merely holding him out for conditioning or the right time to return, they would have said so. It's as if they are hiding the truth, and I am BY FAR not a conspiracy guy.

My guess is somewhere along the way he was told or he told them he is not coming back for a full year. There is no medical reason to have such an arbitrary time line so they just don't say anything.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, mrags said:

Not sure what his deal is but I think it’s mental and not physical. 
 

 

 

 

Well, you'd be the one to know.

 

Oh, wait, no. You have absolutely zero idea. 

 

 

Edited November 18, 2022 by Thurman#1

[BuffaloRebound]

Seems like a recent trend for ACL injuries.  Young in Washington going through same thing.  Jamal Murray in hoops.  

Must be some new research out there that agents are feeding their clients.  

Will be real interesting to see how this effects the OBJ market.  

[Thurman#1]

5 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I don't like the fact that the Bills haven't cleared this up... it screams mental issues over the latter, because if they were merely holding him out for conditioning or the right time to return, they would have said so. It's as if they are hiding the truth, and I am BY FAR not a conspiracy guy.

 

 

Mental issues? Good grief, what is with you people.

 

I guess mental issues are possible, but no reason to think it's White who has them.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

I wouldn't call Jackson pedestrian.  He has played well. And the rookies have more than held their own. 

That said there is no excuse for Cam Lewis being on the field for 4th and 18. 

My guess is somewhere along the way he was told or he told them he is not coming back for a full year. There is no medical reason to have such an arbitrary time line so they just don't say anything.

 

I sure hope so because the was Tre was talking earlier this year, he sounded like he really enjoyed the family time instead of the grind of the NFL. I just don't like the massive cloud around this situation and after Anquan Boldin and Vontae Davis we don't need another surprise... some honesty would be nice instead of the Belichick-like avoidance.

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Well, you'd be the one to know.

 

Oh, wait, no. You have absolutely zero idea. 

 

 

I mean… the fact that he’s been fully cleared physically and practicing in full for weeks now, kind of points towards it being mental.

[Radar]

8 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I don't like the fact that the Bills haven't cleared this up... it screams mental issues over the latter, because if they were merely holding him out for conditioning or the right time to return, they would have said so. It's as if they are hiding the truth, and I am BY FAR not a conspiracy guy.

Mental issues? That may very well pertain to half he league😂

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Mental issues? Good grief, what is with you people.

 

I guess mental issues are possible, but no reason to think it's White who has them.

 

No reason?

 

Tom Brady made a terrible mistake relating the NFL to the military, but he was right about the toll it takes on you year after year grinding and grinding and being away from your family for months at a time with all of the drills and the inspections and deployments and preps for them. I spent 20 years of my life doing that military grind and it took a huge toll on me mentally... there came a point where I was mentally thinking more about what it would be like not doing this anymore and being home and having a normal role. I bear the scars of that service as I am now disabled, and sometimes I question if it was really worth it.

 

That's the place where I come from on this... it is VERY tough to be committed to doing your job at a high level when you are questioning your involvement and how it affects your family, mental and physical health. It's from a position of understanding.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I sure hope so because the was Tre was talking earlier this year, he sounded like he really enjoyed the family time instead of the grind of the NFL. I just don't like the massive cloud around this situation and after Anquan Boldin and Vontae Davis we don't need another surprise... some honesty would be nice instead of the Belichick-like avoidance.

White talked like that throughout the Covid stuff as well. He’s here practicing. One thing about getting an ACL is he’s in Buffalo all offseason rehabbing. 

 

People need to stop creating fake drama. He’s still in normal recovery time for an ACL. The Bills wouldn’t be eating a roster spot if he wasn’t close to playing.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

White talked like that throughout the Covid stuff as well. He’s here practicing. One thing about getting an ACL is he’s in Buffalo all offseason rehabbing. 

 

People need to stop creating fake drama. He’s still in normal recovery time for an ACL. The Bills wouldn’t be eating a roster spot if he wasn’t close to playing.

 

I'm not creating fake drama, I am just questioning the purpose of having a player active for three weeks only to not play and give no reason as to why.

[HOUSE]

I have decided to boycott Trumaine Edmunds,  I am not attending this week's game

[Simon]

&*%#$!!*!&%

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

I'm not creating fake drama, I am just questioning the purpose of having a player active for three weeks only to not play and give no reason as to why.

So he can practice! He can’t practice on PUP or IR.

 

You mentioned Vontae Davis.  That’s fake drama.

Edited November 18, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, VaMilBill said:

Good Lord. I hate to say it, but we might as well put White on IR. Only thing I can think is we are saving him for our December push to the playoffs. 
 

I think this game will show truly how much edmunds means to our defense

I think the 2nd half of the Vikings game showed it. Thankfully, Edmunds is much more important to the pass game so Cleveland shouldn’t be too much of an issue. 

[nedboy7]

17 minutes ago, Radar said:

Mental issues? That may very well pertain to half he league😂

 

You mean fan base? 

[Brand J]

McD on Tre White sitting out

 

All but confirms what I suspected was the issue all along. Tre doesn’t want to hit the field until he feels closer to the player he once was. Bills have been patient to this point, but as McD says “at some point you’ve got to go.” He’s been medically cleared, has practiced for weeks, there’s nothing wrong physically, it’s on Tre to step up and play.

[RiotAct]

there’s no shame in having mental hangups like this (and admitting it) - sucks from a purely football perspective, but what can you do.

 

But for Chrissake, if he’s not going to step onto the field and contribute soon, get him off the roster.

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

there’s no shame in having mental hangups like this (and admitting it) - sucks from a purely football perspective, but what can you do.

 

But for Chrissake, if he’s not going to step onto the field and contribute soon, get him off the roster.

Agreed.  And honestly, pressure from the fanbase might do some good here.  

[Matt_In_NH]

They say he's healthy but I am questioning that at this point.