Sideline TEMPERATURE Dolphins v Vikings

[HardyBoy]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

The problem is very obvious. It's unsafe and unfair. The two teams were not playing in the same conditions. That was clear to see with how the Bills were dropping like flies.

 

I'm genuinely stunned and taken aback that people are not in full agreement that this is incredibly wrong and unethical. Amazing. 

 

It's what happens when genuine explanations are framed as excuses by a small number of people with a vested interest in ensuring people are punching down against what they perceive as an inferior other instead of realizing together that the deck is stacked. This is nothing new and I'm not saying Bills fans perceive Bills players as others, I'm saying the social conditioning of valid explanations being excuses no matter what is so prevalent and ingrained that it pokes it head out in some very weird places sometimes.

 

Make no illusions @ToGoGo, this is deeply ingrained stuff and you're only noticing it because this is so clearly a medical issue to you (and me as well), but I have to think we're not coming anywhere near noticing it in the majority of situations. 

 

Check out Bob Dylan's Only a Pawn in their Game, he says it way better than I ever could.

 

It's the bootstrap mentality at the extremes, with people not realizing the hypocrisy. How often do you actually get to see an argument to the extremes play out in real life and actually see how people respond to it? It's simultaneously fascinating and terrifying seeing the level of societal conditioning. 

 

"The Bills players should have just picked themselves up by their bootstraps, ya know? It was their own fault they didn't hydrate better, they must not care, bunch of losers all of them.

 

"What's that? You're saying the conditions were just at the edge of the bounds of what the human body can literally handle in terms of foundational scientific truths? Hogwash, there ya go with your excuses and you know what they say about excuses! They stink, by the bootstraps!!!"

 

It's basically the same thing as saying people who are working two full time minimum wage jobs and are spending three hours on public transportation to get there need to somehow work harder. Keep peeling back that onion though, and you're not going to have to get all too nuanced to actually realize how pervasive it is in just about everyone's way of thinking at least in some parts of the world (it's natural human nature, but amplified Manchurian Candidate style going back a really, really long time...like Hanging Gardens of Babylon long time at least I would think, it just happens a lot faster now with the internet, but maybe it can change in a positive way faster as a result as well). 

 

Shoot, Josh Allen is a great example of this and this takes literally nothing away from him. He is generationally talented and worked as hard as he possibly could to get where he is.

 

That said, the system was exposed as clearly lacking in recognizing talent outside the standard pipeline, and Josh Allen got extremely lucky. Does anyone think he would have been missed if he lived in the same zip code as Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Josh Rosen? Spare me the Tom Brady went through hardship too because of where he was drafted, he was the starting qb at Michigan.

 

I'll say it again. The system missed on who a lot of us believe will end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Then, once he basically almost miraculously got a chance to get a scholarship and demonstrate his potential, this amazingly coachable kid was written off as a failure at what 20 or 21 with never having received adequate coaching.  For sure he never got elite nfl qb prep level coaching until he got to Wyoming, but probably not really until the Senior Bowl. Then he starts throwing with touch after a week, but the narrative was established by then for like 90% of people:

 

He was a failure, the worst qb prospect ever, a franchise killer.

 

How many other Josh Allens', in football, and other areas that did everything exactly the same as Josh did (going juco, sending emails, more than qualified, etc.), but never got that offer because of some flaw in the system's measurement? Forget being historically amazing in what they do, how about merely adequate and hugely valuable to an organization as a result.

 

Let's not make excuses for them though right? They just should have tried harder and they must not have cared enough, right? 

 

Really makes you wonder if the system failed here, or maybe the system worked exactly as designed...

 

But I'll stop making excuses. 

[ToGoGo]

31 minutes ago, HardyBoy said:

 

It's what happens when genuine explanations are framed as excuses by a small number of people with a vested interest in ensuring people are punching down against what they perceive as an inferior other instead of realizing together that the deck is stacked. This is nothing new and I'm not saying Bills fans perceive Bills players as others, I'm saying the social conditioning of valid explanations being excuses no matter what is so prevalent and ingrained that it pokes it head out in some very weird places sometimes.

 

Make no illusions @ToGoGo, this is deeply ingrained stuff and you're only noticing it because this is so clearly a medical issue to you (and me as well), but I have to think we're not coming anywhere near noticing it in the majority of situations. 

 

Check out Bob Dylan's Only a Pawn in their Game, he says it way better than I ever could.

 

It's the bootstrap mentality at the extremes, with people not realizing the hypocrisy. How often do you actually get to see an argument to the extremes play out in real life and actually see how people respond to it? It's simultaneously fascinating and terrifying seeing the level of societal conditioning. 

 

"The Bills players should have just picked themselves up by their bootstraps, ya know? It was their own fault they didn't hydrate better, they must not care, bunch of losers all of them.

 

"What's that? You're saying the conditions were just at the edge of the bounds of what the human body can literally handle in terms of foundational scientific truths? Hogwash, there ya go with your excuses and you know what they say about excuses! They stink, by the bootstraps!!!"

 

It's basically the same thing as saying people who are working two full time minimum wage jobs and are spending three hours on public transportation to get there need to somehow work harder. Keep peeling back that onion though, and you're not going to have to get all too nuanced to actually realize how pervasive it is in just about everyone's way of thinking at least in some parts of the world (it's natural human nature, but amplified Manchurian Candidate style going back a really, really long time...like Hanging Gardens of Babylon long time at least I would think, it just happens a lot faster now with the internet, but maybe it can change in a positive way faster as a result as well). 

 

Shoot, Josh Allen is a great example of this and this takes literally nothing away from him. He is generationally talented and worked as hard as he possibly could to get where he is.

 

That said, the system was exposed as clearly lacking in recognizing talent outside the standard pipeline, and Josh Allen got extremely lucky. Does anyone think he would have been missed if he lived in the same zip code as Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers or Josh Rosen? Spare me the Tom Brady went through hardship too because of where he was drafted, he was the starting qb at Michigan.

 

I'll say it again. The system missed on who a lot of us believe will end up being the greatest quarterback of all time. Then, once he basically almost miraculously got a chance to get a scholarship and demonstrate his potential, this amazingly coachable kid was written off as a failure at what 20 or 21 with never having received adequate coaching.  For sure he never got elite nfl qb prep level coaching until he got to Wyoming, but probably not really until the Senior Bowl. Then he starts throwing with touch after a week, but the narrative was established by then for like 90% of people:

 

He was a failure, the worst qb prospect ever, a franchise killer.

 

How many other Josh Allens', in football, and other areas that did everything exactly the same as Josh did (going juco, sending emails, more than qualified, etc.), but never got that offer because of some flaw in the system's measurement? Forget being historically amazing in what they do, how about merely adequate and hugely valuable to an organization as a result.

 

Let's not make excuses for them though right? They just should have tried harder and they must not have cared enough, right? 

 

Really makes you wonder if the system failed here, or maybe the system worked exactly as designed...

 

But I'll stop making excuses. 

 

Bravo. Amazing brother.

 

You're my new favorite poster. 

 

The truth is an extremely small few can pull themselves up by their bootstraps the way Allen did. The best metaphor are plants breaking through the cement on sidewalks. Will power is the most powerful substance on the planet. 

 

But that doesn't make it OK to expect the same from everyone else. There is truth in "grow a pair and be a man" but there are limits for what you can expect from the majority. As always, BALANCE is a universal law. That's the master key lost in simplistic and dualistic arguments. Some call it "grey area" or "nuance" but it's about feeling around and finding that bullseye of truth. 

 

Regarding the Miami game, the will to win exerted in that game by Allen and others like Diggs was superhuman. It was to such a degree it seemed the universe began glitching (drops, throws hitting the dirt, missed snaps, etc.) at the most inopportune times. ALMOST like we weren't meant to win that game. 

 

So your reference to extremes is even more extreme than what you said because Allen and the Bills DID pull themselves up by their bootstraps in extreme conditions far beyond what the average NFL player can do, much less an average fan judging people with 1000x the mental fortitude they have. And yet they still fell short... 

 

And to add insult to injury, the narrative turned towards Tua being a potentially great QB. It's injustice, but as you said, a further mark on societal conditioning to keep everything shallow, and avoid the essence/truth of the situation until the right authority tells us to focus on it, in whatever way we are told to. 

 

In this case, all it would require is a report from a respected medical journal about the dangers of a Miami game towards opponent's players, followed by being picked up by a major media outlet for the naysayers in this thread to change their tune, and those on the fence to become outraged. 

 

But that wouldn't really solve the true problem here

[QLBillsFan]

It’s a player safety issue. The NFL should address it. As we know the Dolphins 🐬 are committed to player safety😂 💯!

[JoPoy88]

Were there any sightings or reports of Viking players having trouble or going down in the heat yesterday?

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, Bandito said:

 

But the Vikings won a 1pm game in Miami with it being extremely hot. Why did they not have issue with it, but the Bills did?

 

That is the point. No way the NFL steps in to change this as it has proven to not be the home field advantage you all claim it to be. 

They are pros … it’s any given Sunday 

 

what doesn’t change is that lots of football players have died of heat stroke in the last 25 years … it’s about safety not an advantage 

[Beast]

3 hours ago, Bandito said:

Ok? And the Bills have the snow to their advantage. Everyone has home field advantage in some way shape or form.

It snows more on the visitor side of the field than it does the Bills side at Highmark?

[scuba guy]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

I'm all for natural weather advantages, but the Dolphins stuff is getting to be over the top.

It is legitimately unsafe for athletes playing as hard as NFL players do to be sitting in 120-130 degree heat with full pads on.

At some point, someone's gonna die or have a serious medical episode due to the heat. It's beyond a fun little weather advantage at this point. It's dangerous.

Given the fact that Diggs had 2 ivs and Spencer brown was revesparastalsin on the side line from heat stroke 🥵.  I think we already saw life threatening conditions  😳 for the bills players.  It also took until half time in the ravens game for the bills players to get over it.

[Buffalo Junction]

3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

The Pegulas should use their fracking experience to find a geothermal vent to build the new stadium in an orientation that it naturally heats the Bills' sideline in the sub-zero winter.  Watch the Fish fans hypocrites lose their crap about the "unfair advantage".

Could also double down and build a field level tunnel that creates an open channel from Lake Erie right down the visitors side and out of the stadium. It could potentially double the wind speed on the visitors side which would be brutal from late November through January. 🤷‍♂️ 

[FilthyBeast]

Who really cares, the Bills had no trouble winning there in previous years under similar conditions and this might be one of the few losses this team takes all year.

 

Also looking more and more like this was miami's superbowl considering they haven't won a game since beating us.

[Dopey]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Dopey, NFL rules mandate if one side got heaters or for the matter coolers/fans, other side gets equal access to same  but they positioned the field in Miami so the Dolphins get natural shade and the visitors dont.

 

Every game in Miami in Sept and October should start at 4 if not a night game.

I live in Florida, I know about that. Here in Tallahassee, FSU has the same advantage. It happens in more stadiums than you know. 
Someone here mentioned the Vikings at least had an overcast day. Excuses, I say. 
I ain’t changing my mind. Seen it for 20 + years. Teams just need to deal with the heat, like Nov, Dec games in buffalo teams have to deal with freezing temps w wet heavy snow. 

[Dopey]

3 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Its not about winning or losing. The bills very nearly won too. Its just a stupid idea to have one shaded sideline and one not, and then say you cant have tents or any shade because we don't use it. 

IMO, no one complains until we are SB favorites. It’s been like this for quite a while guys. Teams look for any advantage. Like our visiting locker room, the cold, the wind, etc. 

Just sounds like a lot of 😭 to me. The Vikings sucked it up and won. 

[Watkins101]

3 hours ago, Bandito said:

Ok? And the Bills have the snow to their advantage. Everyone has home field advantage in some way shape or form.

The Bills have the advantage of being more used to the cold/snow because they are in NY.

The Dolphins have the advantage of being more used to the heat because they are in Florida.

The amount of snow/the cold is not different for either team, and so the bills only advantage is the experience dealing with it.

The Dolphins have a sideline that is significantly cooler than their opponents from the shade. They have the advantage of less heat, as well as more experience dealing with heat.

 

[Ya Digg?]

36 minutes ago, Bandito said:

 

But the Vikings won a 1pm game in Miami with it being extremely hot. Why did they not have issue with it, but the Bills did?

 

That is the point. No way the NFL steps in to change this as it has proven to not be the home field advantage you all claim it to be. 

Are you skipping everything everyone is saying to you intentionally?  Most people responding to you are saying that wasn't the only reason they lost but it is a HUGE disadvantage - to the point of it being potentially dangerous.  Why are you choosing to ignore what others are saying?  You don't think that temperatures at close to 120 degrees isn't dangerous?  Or it being 30+ degrees cooler on the other sideline as an unfair disadvantage?  

 

Read the comments before responding, that's all

[Dopey]

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

[What a Tuel]

1 hour ago, Bandito said:

 

But the Vikings won a 1pm game in Miami with it being extremely hot. Why did they not have issue with it, but the Bills did?

 

That is the point. No way the NFL steps in to change this as it has proven to not be the home field advantage you all claim it to be. 

 

At this point you are just trolling.

 

The Bills almost won too, and no one is arguing they should change anything bc the bills lost.

 

People are arguing bc this advantage is stupid, dangerous, and not in the spirit of the game.

 

Plain and simple, if the damn stadium shades the home bench then the visitor bench should not be banned from bringing shade (small tents to cover their bench.

 

Edit: Also, this has not been an advantage for decades. The Stadium renovations that provided this advantage finished in 2016. So that is what? Between 12-16 September home games in the last 7 years? Subtract the games that weren't actually that hot or had decent cloud cover and we are talking single digit number of games that had this effect. This is why it hasn't been talked about.

 

All anyone is saying is allow some respite from the heat on the sideline for player safety before someone gets seriously injured or dies playing in 120 degree temparatures exerting huge amount of physical energy. Its going to be a tragedy if something isnt done.

Edited October 17, 2022 by What a Tuel

[Tim Tindale]

4 hours ago, Bandito said:

HA! And the Vikings won despite this. @Augie

Bills have only themselves to blame for losing in Miami

Um, give us Skylar Thompson and Teddy Bridgewater for 60 minutes and I’m guessing we would have found a way… 

[What a Tuel]

12 minutes ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

 

The renovations finished for the 2016 season. The advantage IS new and there are only a handful of home september games in the last 7 years in which weather was this brutal.

 

5 minutes ago, Bandito said:

It is not an advantage. If it was, the Dolphins would be undefeated at home. Instead, the Vikings won this past weekend and were not affected by it. Why can't you admit to the hypocrisy?

Why don't you see my point of if it is such an advantage, than how did Minnesota win yesterday? Stop avoiding my point.

 

You are a troll. You have to be. The win or loss is irrelavent dude. Why can't you see past that? Had we won, the same topic would have been brought up. Just like officiating in the KC game was brought up, but if we lost the KC game you guys would make the same stupid argument that we only talk about it because we lost. Get off that point because it isn't why it is a discussion.

Edited October 18, 2022 by What a Tuel

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

 

It’s pretty new. I put a link in earlier, but there was like a $500 mil renovation that ended in 2016. THAT added the shade for the home bench. Early in the season it is a farce to say “we didn’t use tents, so you can’t either”.  Look at the before and after, and tell me that is fair. 

[Augie]

12 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:

 

The renovations finished for the 2016 season. The advantage IS new and there are only a handful of home september games in the last 7 years in which weather was this brutal.

 

I used to play tennis midday in SW Florida several times a week. Not every hot day is created equally. Some days I’m fine, a couple days later I wondered if I might die, so I quit. 

[Ya Digg?]

19 minutes ago, Bandito said:

It is not an advantage. If it was, the Dolphins would be undefeated at home. Instead, the Vikings won this past weekend and were not affected by it. Why can't you admit to the hypocrisy?

Why don't you see my point of if it is such an advantage, than how did Minnesota win yesterday? Stop avoiding my point.

Yeah because playing the third string QB really poses a real threat. Teams have been complaining about this situation for years, but since this is the first time you’ve heard about it then it must not be true.

You’re completely off your rocker if you think the temps had nothing to do with how the Bills played that day. But go ahead, keep going on this really weird crusade 

[3rdand12]

35 minutes ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

When did the Dolphins build the extra bit on the stadium that shield the Home side from the sun ?

The Bills game was the 1st i was made aware of it.
 And I also was not aware of how extreme that heat was .

So my opinion has changed. Player safety matters !

I try sincerely to be unbiased about that opinion

[Peter]

42 minutes ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

 

I live down here in Miami and think about this every year. 

 

It is a life safety issue more than anything else.

 

As I wrote in a post up thread, I am a Miami Hurricane season ticket holder* and had the opportunity to choose between seats in the lower bowl on the 50 yard line on the sunny/visitor's side or seats in the lower bowl on the 30 yard line on the shady/home side.

 

I chose the shady side because it is miserable being on the sunny side in September even in shorts and a t-shirt.

 

*The Hurricanes and the Dolphins play in the same stadium.

Edited October 18, 2022 by Peter

[DieHardBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Bandito said:

HA! And the Vikings won despite this. @Augie

Bills have only themselves to blame for losing in Miami

 

5 hours ago, Dopey said:

 

What a huge win at home for the dolphins in the extreme heat vs a cold weather team!

Oh wait, the Vikings won!?!? Bills fans say it ain’t so. 

 

5 hours ago, Bandito said:

Everyone was on here clamoring about this exact thing when the Bills lost in Miami. The Vikings faced practically the same temperature circumstance and won. Don't make excuses. Life isn't fair. @Warcodered

Dolphins are playing like the worst team in football since they lost Tua. Vikings beat a bad team, but they shouldn't have to play in those conditions. The advantage is also completely unfair. Home field advantage is supposed to be about fans and maybe field knowledge but both teams should be playing in equal conditions.

[gflande1]

5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Disable their heaters on sideline and in locker room and disable hot water in showers.  See how they like it 

Also install a sprinkler system on their sideline and forget to change the timer.

[AlfaBill]

There are a lot of posters who being SUPER trolled by a dopey and a bandito. 

[Eastport bills]

The NFL is waiting for someone  to sadly, die from heatstroke, before they wake up and do something about this home field advantage Miami creates by putting athletes liives at risk. Very desperate operation.

[Motorin']

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

All of a sudden, Bills fans worry about this. This is NOT new. No one here brought up safety in the past.
 

 

Never knew the away team was prevented from putting up shade by the Fins. It's actually a significant labor law violation not to provide extreme cooling remedies in working temps over 115. It was over 120 in both the Bills and Vikings game... 

 

 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

It’s pretty new. I put a link in earlier, but there was like a $500 mil renovation that ended in 2016. THAT added the shade for the home bench. Early in the season it is a farce to say “we didn’t use tents, so you can’t either”.  Look at the before and after, and tell me that is fair. 

Home field advantage isn’t supposed to be fair. 

[NoSaint]

36 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Never knew the away team was prevented from putting up shade by the Fins. It's actually a significant labor law violation not to provide extreme cooling remedies in working temps over 115. It was over 120 in both the Bills and Vikings game... 

 

 

for some reason folks forget this is a situation with employees at work. Conditions don’t have to be equal or ideal for all but there are still general safety considerations

 

 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

 

I live down here in Miami and think about this every year. 

 

It is a life safety issue more than anything else.

 

As I wrote in a post up thread, I am a Miami Hurricane season ticket holder* and had the opportunity to choose between seats in the lower bowl on the 50 yard line on the sunny/visitor's side or seats in the lower bowl on the 30 yard line on the shady/home side.

 

I chose the shady side because it is miserable being on the sunny side in September even in shorts and a t-shirt.

 

*The Hurricanes and the Dolphins play in the same stadium.

I deal with it in Tallahassee at FSU games. Alumni side has shade for most of the game. It’s also the home side. You MIGHT be one of the very few, and I mean very few, to think about before we lost there. The rest are crying about a loss to a team they thought we would beat soundly. 
I was in boot camp at Ft. Jackson SC in 89 and it was their hottest year on record to date. We made it with water breaks. Drill sergeant still kicked our ass. No one died. 

Also, a friends brother moved from Miami to Tallahassee for school and his first time playing basketball with us he was amazed how hit it was compared to Miami. He was 18 and couldn’t hang with us 40 something year olds. Took him a couple of months. Never heard him cry about fairness. 

[scuba guy]

1 hour ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

 

 

Dolphins are playing like the worst team in football since they lost Tua. Vikings beat a bad team, but they shouldn't have to play in those conditions. The advantage is also completely unfair. Home field advantage is supposed to be about fans and maybe field knowledge but both teams should be playing in equal conditions.

So here is an idea form someone that knows a little about nothing.

 

All September and oct games scheduled in Miami from know on have to be in the 430pm time spot when the sun will go down earlier 🙃 and the temperature is a little less well let's say warm.

 

So 2 thoughts 

 

Western ny high Temps are usually after 3pm

 

I have a place in fla so south Florida Temps are hot around noon and get really hot around 2.

 

Know if you go onto a website it will show you sun angles (which the designer took into consideration when building) and sun light intensity. It will show hottest times and Temps for said Sept and Oct games.

 

Know it is a simple solution but will the nfl do it.

[Peter]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

I deal with it in Tallahassee at FSU games. Alumni side has shade for most of the game. It’s also the home side. You MIGHT be one of the very few, and I mean very few, to think about before we lost there. The rest are crying about a loss to a team they thought we would beat soundly. 
I was in boot camp at Ft. Jackson SC in 89 and it was their hottest year on record to date. We made it with water breaks. Drill sergeant still kicked our ass. No one died. 

Also, a friends brother moved from Miami to Tallahassee for school and his first time playing basketball with us he was amazed how hit it was compared to Miami. He was 18 and couldn’t hang with us 40 something year olds. Took him a couple of months. Never heard him cry about fairness. 

 

My main concern over the years has been about player safety for those games. Although I think we lost that game primarily for other reasons, the disproportionate heat certainly did not help.

 

Nevertheless, as I mentioned somewhere else, players from both teams were having issues. See article linked below. Even our guys from South Florida were having issues and, if I understand correct, players had to get IVs during the game and at halftime.

 

I cannot imagine being a 300 pound lineman playing in that heat (whether one plays for the visiting team or the Dolphins).

 

As you may recall, Korey Stringer died after a practice in Minnesota several years ago. I just read that the heat index at his last practice was 99° when practice ended. If I recall correctly, the heat index was well above 99° when the Bills played here in September.

 

Sadly, it is to be expected that players may suffer heat stroke while playing in games at the Hard Rock where the heat index often exceeds 99°. It also is not beyond the realm of possibility that something worse could happen to players in an early afternoon game in September.

 

I would not be surprised if the NFLPA looks into this at some point. 

 

Heat taking its toll in Bills-Dolphins game

 

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Peter

[ArtVandalay]

Holy christ are people still crying about this?

 

Give it up, this is embarassing, we've lost only like 3 of our last 12 vs Miami. 

[Peter]

11 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Holy christ are people still crying about this?

 

Give it up, this is embarassing, we've lost only like 3 of our last 12 vs Miami. 

 

Speaking for myself, this has little to do with the loss and everything to do with player safety - Dolphins, Bills, or any visiting team's players.

[Blazman11]

I moved to Melbourne, FL (3 hours north of Miami)  6 years ago after living in Buffalo/Roch for 40 years.  The weather is an exact inverse here vs Buffalo.  Someone said it earlier in the thread and nailed it.....not all hot days are created equal.  There are about a half dozen days in the summer or early fall where it's just too darn hot to go out.  Same with Buffalo winters where there's a few days where it's just too cold.  I've snowblowed the driveway in shorts and a hoodie when it was mid 30's and the sun was out.  But mid 30's with snow and wind blowing is a whole different story.  

 

The sun is orders of magnitude more intense in Florida.  I never wore shades in NY and now I've got about 10 pairs.  Some days the humidity is so thick it makes breathing more difficult.  I cut the grass after that Bills game and took a break half way through just to sit in the shade a bit.  It wasn't the hottest day of the summer but it was close to one of those half dozen miserable days where you get the perfect trifecta of heat, humidity and sun intensity.

 

I could care less that the Bills lost.  I mean I always want them to win - especially vs the anti christ - but it's not like I win any prize when the Bills win.  When a pro athlete like Diggs needs to double fist IV's so they don't die - that's a problem.  

[SoMAn]

12 hours ago, Logic said:

I'm all for natural weather advantages, but the Dolphins stuff is getting to be over the top.

It is legitimately unsafe for athletes playing as hard as NFL players do to be sitting in 120-130 degree heat with full pads on.

At some point, someone's gonna die or have a serious medical episode due to the heat. It's beyond a fun little weather advantage at this point. It's dangerous.

Agree.
It’s ironic how the NFL bends over backwards addressing helmet to helmet, hits to the knees, and generally protecting the players from injury and other health issues, but ignores the seriousness of heat- related health that has the potential to cause permanent organ damage and even death. 
Sadly, a 300 lb player dying on the field, suffering brain damage or having kidney failure will be what it takes before the NFL does something to make it safer. 
It’s insane that players on the visiting side can’t use the cooling misting devices if the Dolphins elect not to. That’s just wrong. 
I’m curious whether someone from the Bills or other teams has begun a dialogue with the NFL to address these concerns. 

[Doc Brown]

12 hours ago, Bandito said:

Everyone was on here clamoring about this exact thing when the Bills lost in Miami. The Vikings faced practically the same temperature circumstance and won. Don't make excuses. Life isn't fair. @Warcodered

The Vikings got lucky as the Dolphins are the superior team.  The Vikings are the biggest frauds in the NFL.  Miami should've won the game but made stupid mistakes all game (kind of like we did).  It will all even out in the end though.

 

Edited October 18, 2022 by Doc Brown

[RoyBatty is alive]

15 hours ago, Dopey said:

I live in Florida, I know about that. Here in Tallahassee, FSU has the same advantage. It happens in more stadiums than you know. 
Someone here mentioned the Vikings at least had an overcast day. Excuses, I say. 
I ain’t changing my mind. Seen it for 20 + years. Teams just need to deal with the heat, like Nov, Dec games in buffalo teams have to deal with freezing temps w wet heavy snow. 

 

Whether it has been going on for 2 or 20 years is a moot point, and if FSU does it is also irrelevant, it is fundamentally unfair and it is dangerous.

 

Your analogy of teams having to deal with snow and cold temps fails miserably.  Both teams have to deal with snow and cold, it is not as if one side is 30 degrees colder than the other.  As I stated before, start the games at 4pm or night, simple solution.

 

Look at the fall out from Tuas concussion.  Do we really have to go have a player die of heat exhaustion for people like you to get the message.

 

Good for you,  dont change your mind.

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19 hours ago, Bandito said:

 

But the Vikings won a 1pm game in Miami with it being extremely hot. Why did they not have issue with it, but the Bills did?

 

That is the point. No way the NFL steps in to change this as it has proven to not be the home field advantage you all claim it to be. 

How many times do you have to be told it wasn’t the same? A cloudy day is different than full sun, small changes in humidity levels make a huge difference, it doesn’t take much intelligence to understand that, but it’s something you obviously appear to not possess.