Adamb412 Posted September 26, 2022 Author Share Posted September 26, 2022 31 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Sez you I don't drink where I'm drunk at sporting events. I had 1 beer in the parking lot. That was it. I bought 6 waters at the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) It seemed like the Dolphins were much less affected, at least to me. Maybe it was the shade on their side allowing them to cool off a bit.  Heat tolerance is an individual thing. I have no idea how Allen lasted the whole game without having issues. He was obviously gassed by the end when he one hopped the ball to Mackenzie in the end zone on 4th down.  I really worried about the big men who weight 300+ pounds and have all that gear on and have to maul (or be mauled by) another 300+ pound man every play. Edited September 26, 2022 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Is it permitted to put the opponent's bench under shade at the stadium in Miami? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) I’ve been in that stadium in November sitting in the sun and it was unbearable. It was much hotter here yesterday than it was during that November game. I don’t think players should be subjected to that whether NFL or college. Guys having to get multiple IVs is just wrong. Some may remember Korey Stringer, Vikings lineman that died from heat stroke. After that incident the NFL put protocols in place for practices. Why are these not applicable to games? Why no shade on visitors side? Why no air conditioned tents? Do you think that the technology doesn’t exist to cool the field? I’ve read that the Bills new stadium’s field will be heated. I’m afraid it’s going to take another death before the NFL and NCAA to react. That game became so painful just to watch I wanted them to walk off and forfeit. If a team can refuse to take the field because the condition of the turf will endanger players (I think it was the Raiders at the Vet in Philly), why isn’t the same true for weather conditions? Edited September 26, 2022 by chris heff 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 19 minutes ago, popcornpam said: Yes, and that whole offensive’s scheme of that slow ball control  football so we were out there longer. I actually think the ball control was designed to help out the defense from being on the field too long. As being down 5 starters & in a worse off position than the offense, all of us going into the game figured it'd be the defense that would be in trouble. So it appeared to my crowd of people watching the game that we were smart to do that. And it would've worked had Josh & the gang just executed the plays they ordinarily would make.  Not directing this at you or even about this topic, but after a tough loss almost everyone over reacts to everything. Josh doesnt fumble so close to the end zone. Gabe catches his TD, McKenzie catches his, Bass makes his fg, put another play here too if u want, point is any one of those we execute & we're all singing a different tune. GO BILLS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, gjv said: Is it permitted to put the opponent's bench under shade at the stadium in Miami?  There is no shade on the visitor sideline during gametime. They built the stadium specifically so that their side is shaded while the visitor side is in the sun, then claim they dont have tents (shade) so visitors cannot have it. Edited September 26, 2022 by What a Tuel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) Some may pooh-pooh the OP's point, but the heat obviously takes a toll and was an enormous factor in yesterday's loss. I'm a fit guy, an avid runner and cyclist, and know how to take care of myself in the heat, but sometimes it's just too much. Ran a HM a few years back and it was 83° with 90% humidity at the start at 7am. Sun was already out and blaring. I was working hard and hydrating like crazy, but I hit mile 10 and my systems just shut down and I essentially passed out on the road with heatstroke and had to be taken to the hospital. I can't imagine being out there as long as our o-linemen were, under helmets and pads  They are going to still be feeling it for the next 48 hours. Edited September 26, 2022 by TheBrownBear 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) IMO, yes, it was awful yesterday heat-wise, but it's always hot there, this was just worse than normal. I don't think any huge changed need to be made, aside from maybe the NFL scheduling Miami games for 4:25 kickoff early in the season. If they continue to get hype, easy solution is for them to play SNF/MNF early in the year like we did this year.  It's the same here but with the cold. It's much more likely to be 42 degrees, gray and damp in December or early January in WNY than 25 degrees and a blizzard or crazy bitter cold like the NE playoff game. But the latter are certainly possible.  All that said, give me the cold anytime over the heat. You can do all sorts of things to warm up, but the heat is just brutal. Edited September 26, 2022 by TheFunPolice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Mafia Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Weathers been the same last few times we played in Miami and we smoked em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, SoMAn said: I don't think some folks understand how dangerous heat stroke can be. Unfortunately, it will take someone dying on the field, organ failure, or permanent brain damage before any changes are made by the NFL. Games in south Florida should be scheduled in the evening until at least the end of October. It's not impossible. Hell, the Bills have a single afternoon game before November 6, so it's not as if it can't be scheduled accordingly.  I was glad to see Rick Bates with a red face sweating, indicating heat exhaustion. Heat stroke shows up as a pasty face which is dry and not sweating, indicating that the body's cooling mechanism has shut down. When that happens, you gotta get them cooled off immediately to fend off death. Everyone was sweating, which is a good sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Weathers been the same last few times we played in Miami and we smoked em I’m don’t believe that is correct. I’ve lived here for 30 plus years, this summer has been hottest I can remember and it’s not just me, everyone I know feels the same. Yesterday it was hot, humid with no breeze. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Hell I remember going to that Sage Rosenful comeback game back in 2005……..my lips were sunburnt and it was a November game smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel City Mafia Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 7 minutes ago, chris heff said: I’m don’t believe that is correct. I’ve lived here for 30 plus years, this summer has been hottest I can remember and it’s not just me, everyone I know feels the same. Yesterday it was hot, humid with no breeze. Was at the game. Covid year. Was just as hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArdmoreRyno Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I think you simply have to live in the area.  I'm live in Oklahoma and it's over 100 nearly every day of the summer, heat index at one point was 120 a month ago. Sucks, but we get used to it.  Went to an Oklahoma State v Kansas game one year in Lawrence... temp on the field was nearly 130. The players get used to it. (I also went to Basic and AIT during the summer in Missouri (Fort Leonard Wood) when I was 21 and it doesn't get much hotter than that. Humid, etc.) Our bodies adjust and over time, it's more difficult to deal with high heat like you might have experienced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Adamb412 said: I was sitting behind the bills bench and my wife and I were both feeling effects of the heat, so much so that I started feeling sick. We spent the entire third quarter on the concourse where they have giant fans. We went back at the start of the fourth and by the end of the game I nearly passed out and went down to a knee. I must of drank 5 bottles of water just to survive. I can't imagine how athletes doing cardio in direct sunlight feel with 30 pounds of equipment. And don't say they are athletes they are used to it. The human body can't and shouldn't be in that. They need to start moving dolphins September games to either night or after 430pm starts. You could of had a dead football player yesterday. This isn't the same as playing in the winter in buffalo. The winter in buffalo you're heating up your body by playing football in a cold environment and can bundle up with warm clothes. You can't do anything in Miami. The NFL seriously needs to look into this.... I told everyone early this week that this would be a factor and people on this board still blow it off.  Until you experience the heat, you have no idea how crippling it is. I have to work outside sometimes carrying heavy equipment in the heat and I always warn the crew to take water breaks, get inside for awhile, etc... It's really, really bad and getting worse the last few years.  18 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said: Weathers been the same last few times we played in Miami and we smoked em No, it's not. This year the humidity or something in the air makes it really, really hard to do physical activity. I've lived in Miami/Tampa for about 15 of the last 30 years and this year is the worst I've ever experienced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, popcornpam said: Yes, and that whole offensive’s scheme of that slow ball control  football so we were out there longer. I don't know how much of a so called scheme, 20 offensive plays could be in that kind of heat, but it definitely had a negative impact on the outcome of the game.  Edited September 26, 2022 by Buffaloflash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Adamb412 said: I was sitting behind the bills bench and my wife and I were both feeling effects of the heat, so much so that I started feeling sick. We spent the entire third quarter on the concourse where they have giant fans. We went back at the start of the fourth and by the end of the game I nearly passed out and went down to a knee. I must of drank 5 bottles of water just to survive. I can't imagine how athletes doing cardio in direct sunlight feel with 30 pounds of equipment. And don't say they are athletes they are used to it. The human body can't and shouldn't be in that. They need to start moving dolphins September games to either night or after 430pm starts. You could of had a dead football player yesterday. This isn't the same as playing in the winter in buffalo. The winter in buffalo you're heating up your body by playing football in a cold environment and can bundle up with warm clothes. You can't do anything in Miami. The NFL seriously needs to look into this.... The league—and society in general—has a huge problem with risk assessment.  It’s fine for players to risk death or heatstroke in 100 degree heat…  meanwhile, they delay the Eagles/Commanders game for 8 minutes because there was a drone flying over the stadium….The announcers gravely intoned about what a serious threat it was to the safety of the fans and players…I could go on, but I don’t want to wind up in the penalty box again😄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazman11 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I live 3 hours north of Miami. Â After the game I went out to cut the grass and yeah it was hot. Â You definitely get somewhat used to it the longer you live here (6 years for me). Â Some days though it's just too much to overcome. Â There are hot days and humid days and days where the sun seems overly intense. Â Yesterday was all 3 of those things. Â It's the exact inverse of Buffalo winters. Â Buffalo winters aren't that bad - they long but not bad. Â There are about a half dozen days in Buffalo where it's just too damn cold and nasty to go out. Â Same thing with Florida but with the heat/humidity/sun and yesterday was one of those days. Â Â in no way is this an excuse but the NFL really does have to look at these games. Â These are professional athletes dropping like flies during a game not a slob like me cutting the grass and trimming trees who had to stop and spend some time in the shade. Â The stadium baking the visitors sideline while the home team enjoys the shade is such an enormous advantage in days like yesterday. Â Â I go back and forth on this. Â In some way I wish the game was stopped and picked up later. Â kind of like they have "independent" monitors stopping the game when someone looks injured / concussed. Â I know that's not realistic and could be more harmful to players if you stop for a few hours. Â A better solution would be if heat / humidity / dew point are at x level then the game is kicked back a few hours. Â And yes I think the same thing should happen with the cold. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 37 minutes ago, What a Tuel said:  There is no shade on the visitor sideline during gametime. They built the stadium specifically so that their side is shaded while the visitor side is in the sun, then claim they dont have tents (shade) so visitors cannot have it. Was the home side of the stadium shaded when the stadium was built, and there was no roof canopy?  You do know the canopy was only added 5 or so years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I give Josh big props for hanging in there. Josh playing constantly while other players were being shuttle in and out for heat issues, shows how tough that kid really is! I think the skipped pass to Lil Dirty, was due to exhaustion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Florida heat is no joke. I live in Tampa, and I try to run 3-5 times a week. From May-October I only run either before 9 am or after 9 pm. If you try to run between those times you literally cant breath after a mile.  I play a lot of rec sports with my brothers. Football games last 30 minutes max before guys start tapping out for breaks.  The Bills were banged up, depleted, and in the worst conditions they could be in. Rex Ryan said it best this morning - the heat was the biggest factor yesterday, and the Bills are still clearly the best team in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hub Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Airseven said: The point/excuse about the heat has been driven home now across multiple threads. Fact is Bills weren’t prepared for it. This exactly! They have been playing NFL games in Miami since the 70's but because the pre ordained SuperBowl champs lose a game down there, now something needs to be done. Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Airseven said: The point/excuse about the heat has been driven home now across multiple threads. Fact is Bills weren’t prepared for it.  You seem to not understand that there is no way to prepare for it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Adamb412 said: I don't drink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Cray51 said: Florida heat is no joke. I live in Tampa, and I try to run 3-5 times a week. From May-October I only run either before 9 am or after 9 pm. If you try to run between those times you literally cant breath after a mile.  I play a lot of rec sports with my brothers. Football games last 30 minutes max before guys start tapping out for breaks.  The Bills were banged up, depleted, and in the worst conditions they could be in. Rex Ryan said it best this morning - the heat was the biggest factor yesterday, and the Bills are still clearly the best team in the league. Exactly…and imagine if you weighed 300 lbs and were wearing a polyester football jersey and 25 lbs of equipment… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) I hope the NFLPA might look at this. Heat exhaustion is way more dangerous than playing in cold weather, with heated benches and protective gear.  It's a player safety issue that needs to be addressed. A 4:00 start time would go a long way toward fixing it. . Edited September 26, 2022 by Shake_My_Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, The Hub said: This exactly! They have been playing NFL games in Miami since the 70's but because the pre ordained SuperBowl champs lose a game down there, now something needs to be done. Give me a break.  It is undeniable that temperatures have been steadily increasing over the last 40 years and also the hottest temperatures experienced during a season have been stretching later and later in the year. Within 10-15 years I can pretty much guarantee Miami will have games delayed and/or postponed early in the year due to dangerous heat related conditions and wet bulb(measuring the combination of heat and humidity and the body's ability to cool itself properly) temperatures. At this point it is almost unavoidable if they continue scheduling games at 1pm. Or the NFL will have to accept player deaths and fan deaths from fans sitting out in those conditions drinking alcohol and generally not being prepared for it.   Yesterday's game was pretty close to pushing the limit of what the human body is capable of from a cooling standpoint and was honestly really dangerous to be playing in with on field temps at 112 degrees as reported by Eric Wood, and I don't think most people fully understand just how dangerous it was. Edited September 26, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 Yesterday was the first time watching a game I was concerned for the players lives. That looked unbearable and I was seriously worried at the end. I know the NFL won't do anything and kudos to Miami for taking advantage of the home field, but that was scary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, LewPort71 said: The league might not proactively do anything about the heat issue, but the players union might. Having the kick off at 430 in September makes a lot of sense.  I hope it snows 2 feet on 12/17.  Well this is the problem with assuming the weather works like western NY.  I live in NC and here and probably much like Florida, it actually keeps getting hotter later in the day most of the time.  So having it later would not be a huge help unless you get to like 8pm or later.  I watch these Temps all the time because i have to watch when I can walk my dogs during the summer months and usually even at 9 or 10 it's still too hot sometimes. Edited September 26, 2022 by Sharky7337 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, The Hub said: This exactly! They have been playing NFL games in Miami since the 70's but because the pre ordained SuperBowl champs lose a game down there, now something needs to be done. Give me a break.  It has nothing to do with pre-ordained SB expectations and you know it. It was brutal conditions for a northern team to play in. As to other idiots talking about "preparing" anyone who lives or lived in south Florida knows you don't get used to it in one day. I lived 4 years down there and it takes a while to "acclimate" to that type of weather.  As to whether or not anything changes about the playing time or other measures implemented, I don't think anything will change. High school players were dropping like flies years ago before mandatory changes were implemented, so some things could be modified. I've watched the Bills play in Miami since the Dolphins came into the league and yesterday was the craziest conditions I ever seen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 3 hours ago, LewPort71 said: The league might not proactively do anything about the heat issue, but the players union might. Having the kick off at 430 in September makes a lot of sense.  I hope it snows 2 feet on 12/17.  Since when have we shown an ability to play well in the snow? 1993? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hub Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said:  It is undeniable that temperatures have been steadily increasing over the last 40 years and also the hottest temperatures experienced during a season have been stretching later and later in the year. Within 10-15 years I can pretty much guarantee Miami will have games delayed and/or postponed early in the year due to dangerous heat related conditions and wet bulb(measuring the combination of heat and humidity and the body's ability to cool itself properly) temperatures. At this point it is almost unavoidable if they continue scheduling games at 1pm. Or the NFL will have to accept player deaths and fan deaths from fans sitting out in those conditions drinking alcohol and generally not being prepared for it.   Yesterday's game was pretty close to pushing the limit of what the human body is capable of from a cooling standpoint and was honestly really dangerous to be playing in with on field temps at 112 degrees as reported by Eric Wood, and I don't think most people fully understand just how dangerous it was. Miami Average September Temp 2000= 84.73. Miami Average September Temp 2021 = 85.25  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moulds 808080 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 I grew up in south Florida that heat was unreal. We will right the ship!! Been to a bunch of those games but it was honestly different heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Â You seem to not understand that there is no way to prepare for it. What was Miami's secret then? Were they just lucky? Edited September 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: What was Miami's secret then? Were they just lucky? Yes.  They had shade and we didn’t. Shade is when an object blocks the sunlight directly making it cooler. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 It is my belief that "Florida man" is partially driven by the ungodly heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris heff Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: Was the home side of the stadium shaded when the stadium was built, and there was no roof canopy?  You do know the canopy was only added 5 or so years ago. Yes it was, just the angle of the sun not the new roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 12 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: What was Miami's secret then? Were they just lucky?  They live and train down there for months out of the year...that's the only way to help. Unfortunately you cannot cram 6 months of that into a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 4 hours ago, BuffaloBill said: I highly doubt the NFL will do anything. Until a player dies of heat stroke... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yes.  They had shade and we didn’t. Shade is when an object blocks the sunlight directly making it cooler. If shade was really the difference between 20+ players suffering from medical issues or not, then I would have expected our staff to know this and take every possible measure to do something about it and petition the league as well as the competition committee. Seems like a very solvable problem, and it's not like it's the first time we've played in Miami or the first time Miami has been hot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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