Poor coaching by McDermott is becoming a theme

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

At least Levy took the Bills to the Super Bowl. MCD can't even be the team to the AFC championship game. 

 

We could do what the Lions did with Caldwell...roll the dice by firing a reliable solid head coach and screw the franchise for years to come! 

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, Since1981 said:

Knock the ball down. Poyer Hyde would have yelled this up coaching too but our coaches are PAID handsomely. 

 

I frankly shouldn’t be able to yell at my TV before and see awareness mistakes.
 

I frankly have no idea how to coach but

4 times I yelled big deals pre snap.   

I yelled kick the FG and that mistake is owned by McD. 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

At least Levy took the Bills to the Super Bowl. MCD can't even be the team to the AFC championship game. 

You probably forgot that we did go to the AFCCG but we didn’t show up.  But it’s not the head coach despite KC brining the same edge pressure over and over again and our HC, a former DC not being able to adjust or call it out.  

[BeastMaster]

14 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Forgive me for interrupting the anti-McD circlejerk here, but he ain't going anywhere barring a complete collapse, like a 6-11 record collapse. 

 

Besides, he doesn't call offense, which Dorsey does. 

Whether he goes anywhere or not...we aren't getting to the SB with him as coach.

 

Better enjoy being good enough to be a contender that isn't really a contender

 

 

[Roundybout]

Just now, BeastMaster said:

Whether he goes anywhere or not...we aren't getting to the SB with him as coach.

 

Better enjoy being good enough to be a contender that isn't really a contender

 

 

 

So let's fire him and gamble that we don't hire another Marrone/Rex Ryan that could set the franchise into another drought. Great! 

[BeastMaster]

2 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

We could do what the Lions did with Caldwell...roll the dice by firing a reliable solid head coach and screw the franchise for years to come! 

This is the worst mindset IMO

 

Scared to be worse, so accept not being good enough

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

So let's fire him and gamble that we don't hire another Marrone/Rex Ryan that could set the franchise into another drought. Great! 

This team has way too much talent for that 

 

Coaches would be lined up to Canada to coach Allen and company

 

This isn't your old Bills

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

We could do what the Lions did with Caldwell...roll the dice by firing a reliable solid head coach and screw the franchise for years to come! 

Beane is too smart for that. You have to look for a proven coach that has won and is offensive minded. Look at the KC offense. They throw the ball to everyone. You never know who is going to score. Bills don't utilize their offensive players. Where was Guilliam, Hines, Shakir, etc...I digress. No one is saying McD sucks what many are saying is he's flawed and unlikely to lead the team to winning the Super Bowl or even going there. If there's a coach who is available such as Peyton etc I'd advocate a serious look at him 

[RiotAct]

a green checkmark for the OP.

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

This is the worst mindset IMO

 

Scared to be worse, so accept not being good enough

This team has way too much talent for that 

 

Coaches would be lined up to Canada to coach Allen and company

 

This isn't your old Bills

 

We need to have a reckoning with the talent on this team. I believe it's massively overrated. Top-10 for sure, but not immortal. 

 

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

Beane is too smart for that. You have to look for a proven coach that has won and is offensive minded. Look at the KC offense. They throw the ball to everyone. You never know who is going to score. Bills don't utilize their offensive players. Where was Guilliam, Hines, Shakir, etc...I digress. No one is saying McD sucks what many are saying is he's flawed and unlikely to lead the team to winning the Super Bowl or even going there. If there's a coach who is available such as Peyton etc I'd advocate a serious look at him 

 

How is any of what you wrote on McD, who coaches defense? It's on Dorsey's overwhelmed head. 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

 

So let's fire him and gamble that we don't hire another Marrone/Rex Ryan that could set the franchise into another drought. Great! 

The Buffalo Bills aren’t going into a drought if they potentially fire Sean McDermott at the end of the season. Those teams didn’t have QB Josh Allen. So what we keep Sean McDermott forever regardless of his poor decision making as a head coach because we are afraid of hiring Doug Marrone or Rex Ryan? I am not saying fire Sean McDermott now but if team doesn’t make the Super Bowl Sean McDermott job status at the very least needs to be looked at season end in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Since1981]

Levy lost those 4x SB (it’s not Bills PC, sorry) he had the teams. McD similar situation now but with FA. The roster is there, time ticks. McD is a great manager (I’d work for him) but he won’t beat the top 7 coaches in NFL for SB

[newcam2012]

19 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Thing I like most about McD and Beane is the culture and atmosphere that they’ve created here in Buffalo.

 

Is McD as good a coach as Bill Belichick? No, but he’s created a positive environment for his players, coaches and staff to thrive in. And as far as McD vs the field goes, you can do a lot, I repeat, A LOT worse than having Sean McD as your HC.

 

The one thing that must get worked out though is our problems on offense, but I believe that McD/Beane deserve every chance under the sun to right that ship. Dorsey may grow into that role, he may not.

For me, he blew the game in 13 seconds. His leash should be very tight thereafter... 

[Victory Formation]

1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

For me, he blew the game in 13 seconds. His leash should be very tight thereafter... 

McD is a good coach, not a great one. The Bills would benefit greatly if we got the next Sean McVay, but there is a certain risk involved with us ending up with someone worse than McD. I’d be willing to roll bones on the right coach.

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

The Buffalo Bills aren’t going into a drought if they potentially fire Sean McDermott at the end of the season. Those teams didn’t have QB Josh Allen. So what we keep Sean McDermott forever regardless of his poor decision making as a head coach because we are afraid of hiring Doug Marrone or Rex Ryan? I am not saying fire Sean McDermott now but if team doesn’t make the Super Bowl Sean McDermott job status at the very least needs to be looked at season end in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

I agree his seat will be warm. 

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

I agree his seat will be warm. 

Starting to come around I see.

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

18 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

So let's fire him and gamble that we don't hire another Marrone/Rex Ryan that could set the franchise into another drought. Great! 

Why the binary?  Fire McD or hire two bad coaches.  Coaches would be tripping over themselves to coach this team. Also,  Beane tends to make great decisions. 

[BeastMaster]

18 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

We need to have a reckoning with the talent on this team. I believe it's massively overrated. Top-10 for sure, but not immortal. 

 

 

How is any of what you wrote on McD, who coaches defense? It's on Dorsey's overwhelmed head. 

If the OC you had in your building as Dabolls understudy for years is overwhelmed...than you didn't make the right choice by making him your OC...the guy working with your franchise QB to run this offense.

 

McD can try to use him as the scapegoat if this season goes south, but that would be really weak on his part.

 

 

[BananaB]

I think he overthinks everything.
 

Don’t get why Duke Johnson is activated today, also don’t understand why he’s on the field on 4th and 2…. Why do we need all these RBs when we don’t run the ball? Why do we trade for a player and give more opportunities to a guy off our PS? 
 

Why are we trying to end game well before the clock hits zero? McD would not pass up going up 13 with 11 minutes left in the past. 

 

 

[Milanos Milano]

The fact that McD didn’t roll out Allen and tell him to throw it away if he couldn’t make it to the line of scrimmage is beyond me. It’s the #1 reason why I’m officially done with his dumb antics. If we aren’t calling up Payton to see if he is remotely interested next season, then I’m not sure we will every win a Super Bowl with Allen and we will have wasted elite QB talent with a good window of opportunity. 

[TheFunPolice]

I'm starting to worry a bit about whether McDermott has control over things here.

 

Sloppy, undisciplined football is becoming a theme. A lot of times were blowing teams out so it doesn't matter. But in big games you're going to play other great teams and cannot give them freebies 

[Bubba Gump]

I wonder how Frank Reich would work out with Josh as his QB. Indy has given him poo to work with since Luck retired. Maybe an offensive minded coach is what this team needs.

[QCity]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

This thread may be a bit more respected now.

 

I created this thread even when we we’re winning because bad coaching decisions can quickly lead to losing games.

 

You can’t just excuse it away because we won the particular game the bad decision happened in.

 

Other teams start picking up on your bad coaching tendencies and they take advantage of it.

 

We can turn this around and make a run, but coaching needs to be better.

 

Go Bills.

 

He's right. Winning covers up the warts of this staff and makes it easy to shrug the missteps off, but when the winning stops it's not a pretty picture.

[Lionel Hutz]

Has anyone in the national media been critical of McDermott, yet? 

[Neo]

I’m loyal to my guys.  DNA.  Von Miller was brought in “to close out games”.  I’m now asking myself if we have the coaching staff “to close out games”.

[buffaloaggie]

The Bills coaching staff and players lack common sense. 

 

It's common sense to knock the ball down or away on 4th down.

It's common sense to take what they give you if the clock is not yet your enemy (2 minutes left, it's not your enemy). We didn't need to throw into the end zone from 20 yards out when Allen attempted to throw to Knox and Davis (INT)

 

It's common sense to not let receivers have a free release when your opponent needs 40 or 50 yards in 13 seconds.

 

I'm sure there are many things that people can think of that seem like common sense. The Bills do not have common sense ingrained in their heads. This, rather than talent, is what seems to separate this team from championships. Coach's fault? It definitely appears so. If the players aren't doing what they're told, that's a whole different problem. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by buffaloaggie
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[Greg S]

McDermott reminds me of Chuck Knox. Good coach who will turn a team around but can never get over the hump. Knox had good teams with the Rams, Bills, and Seahawks but he could never get that Super Bowl win.

[mrags]

8 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The fact that McD didn’t roll out Allen and tell him to throw it away if he couldn’t make it to the line of scrimmage is beyond me. It’s the #1 reason why I’m officially done with his dumb antics. If we aren’t calling up Payton to see if he is remotely interested next season, then I’m not sure we will every win a Super Bowl with Allen and we will have wasted elite QB talent with a good window of opportunity. 

This is the worst of all. Possibly the most gifted QB to ever play the game and waste him on limpdick coached teams. 

[BillMafia716ix]

The story of the Bills the last 3 seasons has been their inability to commit to running the football and here we are again this year with the same issue. He keeps saying he wants balance, but continues not to do it. Is McDermott completely hands off when it comes to the offensive side of the ball? Because that’s what it looks like to me. 
 

 

[SoCal Deek]

15 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

The story of the Bills the last 3 seasons has been their inability to commit to running the football and here we are again this year with the same issue. He keeps saying he wants balance, but continues not to do it. Is McDermott completely hands off when it comes to the offensive side of the ball? Because that’s what it looks like to me. 
 

 

All true but I’d retitle the story. The real story is the inability to win close games down the stretch. The problem’s been that the story inside the story changes each time so it’s not so apparent. One game it’s the defense giving up the long drive and the next game it’s the offense not making the clutch play to seal the win. You occasionally get an outlier like last year against Tampa where they come back from way behind so you feel good about the effort…but they still lose. In between kickoff and the final whistle, the Bills look like world beaters! Coaching gets a lot of the blame. 

[extrahammer]

To me McD lacks good game management skills and that killer mindset. I think it shows up in close games often, it's like he never takes control of the situation, seems passive and let's the coordinators and players do whatever they want. The Vikings have played stellar in the 2nd half in all of their games, we came out in the 2nd half and didn't try to establish any continued rhythm. When it was 4th and 2 at the Minnesota 22 yard line and we kicked the field goal, when Ferguson got the flag, I think we should have gone for the 4th and 2 then. If we get the first down and then score, we're up 34-10. Instead we played conservative and didn't go for any 4th downs until Minnesota had read the room with Edmunds out on the next series and gashed us for 81 yards. 

Edited November 14, 2022 by extrahammer

[Back2Buff]

Daboll should have never been allowed to leave the building.

 

McDermott should have been fired and Daboll took over.

 

I said the Bills would go into an Atlanta situation where they stuck with Quinn instead of going with Shanahan after the Super bowl, and it looks like it's playing out just like I thought.

[Einstein]

9 hours ago, QCity said:

 

He's right. Winning covers up the warts of this staff and makes it easy to shrug the missteps off, but when the winning stops it's not a pretty picture.

 

Yep. That’s what was happening. We won and therefore all the bad coaching decisions were forgotten about it. Nope. Shouldn’t work that way.

[mrags]

1 hour ago, BillMafia716ix said:

The story of the Bills the last 3 seasons has been their inability to commit to running the football and here we are again this year with the same issue. He keeps saying he wants balance, but continues not to do it. Is McDermott completely hands off when it comes to the offensive side of the ball? Because that’s what it looks like to me. 
 

 

I think dispute what he says, he doesn’t want to run it. He has never had a good running game. 
 

look at Daboll for example, he’s had multiple stints as OC and HC with running very well. Miami as OC, Chiefs as OC, Pats, Browns, and now Giants 

[1onemangang7]

They definitely don't teach fundamentals. They still don't understand when to just knock it down . But because the quarterback is so good they make them favorites to win the superbowl.

[BernieBill]

6 hours ago, Lionel Hutz said:

Has anyone in the national media been critical of McDermott, yet? 

A little bit ... Stephen A Smith, Colin Cowherd ... if the Bills do not advance to the Super Bowl this year (get to the game ... get past Kansas City ... get out of the AFC), you must fire McDermott ... the guy finds ways to lose ... I can see it in McDermott's eyes and facial expressions in these close games, he's afraid, the team is not prepared for crucial situations in games time and again (you could almost tell before the snap that something was going to go wrong on the goalline fumble ... imo, it's because the team isn't well-coached and prepared for such moments).  McDermott is a defensive-minded coach trying to coach an elite NFL offense, it simply isn't a good fit in the Josh Allen era.

[Success]

I just posted this on another thread - but this team has to have among the worst situational awareness in the league.

 

That wasn't the 1st time a DB has tried for the interception on a 4th down. That's an easy one for a coaching staff - you always knock the ball down there.  And rushing 4 guys & the rest of it w/ 13 seconds was obviously another biggie. But you can see it almost every week w/ this team. It's easy to contrast with a team like the Pats in their prime, who were prepared for every single situation.

 

[ArtVandalay]

The team keeps committing the same mistakes over and over. It's coaching. 

 

We still don't know when to kick a FG or go for it because McDummy doesn't have the head for it, since he was too conservative before he now goes for it 100% of the time because he doesn't understand what spots to pick. 

 

It's fitting he's McD because he's a McDonald's quality head coach.  

[Solomon Grundy]

3 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

The team keeps committing the same mistakes over and over. It's coaching. 

 

We still don't know when to kick a FG or go for it because McDummy doesn't have the head for it, since he was too conservative before he now goes for it 100% of the time because he doesn't understand what spots to pick. 

 

It's fitting he's McD because he's a McDonald's quality head coach.  

At least we’re getting away from lil dummy 😎

[Rocbillsfan1]

It would probably take 2-3 seasons of missing the playoff's for McDermott to be replaced.
 

wrong this team is too talented to not make the playoffs for 2-3 years. When you are the Super Bowl favorites or contenders for multiple years and the coach fails in spectacular fashion at some point you realize you need a coaching change. It happens in all sports leagues including the NFL. I don’t think they fire him this year but next year is his last if he doesn’t show vast improvement in situational awareness and game mgmt. which is 100% coaching. This team plays dumb. 

[QCity]

2-10 in one score games, the sample size is growing. Even the most ardent supporters of this coaching staff have to admit that percentage is way too low for a team with this much talent.