NFL Week #3 - Bills at the Dolphins - Post game thread

[Andy1]

10 minutes ago, 716er said:

Was this the Bills first ever sunny game in Miami? 
 

Absurd they were not prepared with the appropriate tents etc for shade.

They definitely needed more shade structures on their sidelines. Acclimation to the heat was a problem. Was this the hottest game they have played in?

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

I think you are basically allowed what the other team has. So I know they made mention of Buffalo bringing cooling benches. But if Miami doesn’t use them on our sideline, the way I understand it is we cannot use them on ours. Same with fans, etc. 

 

I believe the canopies are allowed because of the shade vs. no shade on either side.

 

I could be wrong, I’m just going off of what a buddy of mine who is a Dolphins fan told me. 

 

Within 10-15 years if temps keep rising at similar rates, Miami will end up having to postpone games due to heat or risk players literally dying on the field due to wet bulb temperatures being too high.

 

Wet bulb is a combination of heat and humidity together and when it becomes too high simply being outside can result in death after a short period of time as the body cannot cool itself faster than it is overheating. This is starting to become more common and within 10-15 years is expected to be a regular occurrence in some places.

 

Eric Woods was reporting the on field temperature was 112, humidity was 70% as reported meaning the wet bulb temperature was around 103. Anything over 95 is considered very dangerous.

 

I'm not sure people realize how close this game was to literally being a potential life and death situation for some players.

 

Unfortunately it will likely take a player dying on the field for the NFL to act.

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by Big Turk

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

The next game is very big for us. Things are not going to get any easier going to Baltimore 

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Unacceptable to get no FG attempts at the end of both halves(no timeouts in the first half drive), and not going for 4th and short near the red zone before the missed FG 
 

also, not sure the exact play but first half Ingram was engaged with Dawkins and kicked Josh Allen. 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, UKBillFan said:

Interesting how teams can beat us thanks to extreme weather, when they have the same conditions.

 

Was the other team also without almost their entire starting secodary, 2 of their top performing interior dlinemen, starting center, backup center, hobbled starting #2 receiver. backup to hobbled starting#2 receiver, all of their oline minus the LT.  Did the other team sit in the sun all game or did they have a nice shade... yes that shade makes a huge difference.

 

Our team fielded a preseason roster.  We lost by 2 points.  Get over it.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

We can do this as many times as you wish. We have no RB that can get a yard on a consistent basis in short yardage situations regardless of our blocking.

 

How many times do you think Henry has been stopped on 3rd or 4th and short? 10 of the time?  Using one week as an example is ridiculous when talking about a power back.

 

And I'm saying no RB can run with tacklers all over him when he gets the handoff. That's our problem. Guys are getting hit as they get the ball. That's blocking. Block better and all of a sudden our run game looks "physical."

[Scott7975]

24 minutes ago, thewookie1 said:

While not the "reason" for the loss; I feel the refs were very one sided in their calls. On the last drive alone they didn't call an easy PI on Gabe's 2nd drop yet call the hold on our backup RT. 

 

2 "late" hits were called completely different way depending on the team

 

Lastly the league should seriously penalize the Dolphins for letting Tua play.

 

 

 

Yeah, im not blaming the refs for this loss but they were definitely one sided today.  No call on Knox, yet they called it on us for less egregious.  I was pissed about that.

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Hearing rumors Josh Allen just went into the X-ray room after the game. Right hand…

 

I heard he got xrays hours ago. I also heard afterwards McD said his hand was fine.  Heard both second hand in the thread somewhere.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Hearing rumors Josh Allen just went into the X-ray room after the game. Right hand…

 

Xrays were apparently negative hours ago and both he and McD said he's good.

[BillsfaninSB]

All Miami games should be at night in September and Maybe October.  It’s the new normal.

 

Not sure why the NFL puts the Pats and Bills down there in September. 

[Protocal69]

 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

Sounds like we are throwing dildos at Wilkins in December fellas 🤣

[Protocal69]

I hope Knox is ok

 

[Mango]

57 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Was the other team also without almost their entire starting secodary, 2 of their top performing interior dlinemen, starting center, backup center, hobbled starting #2 receiver. backup to hobbled starting#2 receiver, all of their oline minus the LT.  Did the other team sit in the sun all game or did they have a nice shade... yes that shade makes a huge difference.

 

Our team fielded a preseason roster.  We lost by 2 points.  Get over it.

The Miami sideline can be 30 degrees cooler than the visitors sideline. Some said above that Eric Wood reported 112 on field. That means the Miami sideline is a shady 82. 
 

I would certainly put injuries at the top of the list of reasons we lost. But this game is the exact reason the Hard Rock is built like it is.  

[Protocal69]

Dorsey was just channeling his inner Sean McDermott

 

[zow2]

The weather affected the Bills obviously.  But i think there’s been too much complaining on social media and this message board about it.  We’ve played in Miami for many years including Hard Rock, and won more than our share. Was Miami supposed to order cloud cover today? we’re they supposed to put up shade tents for Buffalo?   I get it, we lost and had a ton of guys cramp up and feel overheated. I think having the ball on offense for 90 plays was a serious issue. Blame Josh for ball controlling that much i guess. 

No one complains here when our weather helps the Bills win at home.

[PastaJoe]

1 hour ago, BillsfaninSB said:

All Miami games should be at night in September and Maybe October.  It’s the new normal.

 

Not sure why the NFL puts the Pats and Bills down there in September. 

Miami has to play in the cold and snow in the Northeast in December. Home field advantage in both cases.

[Buffalo Junction]

55 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Sounds like we are throwing dildos at Wilkins in December fellas 🤣

Don’t provide that dude with instruments to violate our players….

[WideNine]

44 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The weather affected the Bills obviously.  But i think there’s been too much complaining on social media and this message board about it.  We’ve played in Miami for many years including Hard Rock, and won more than our share. Was Miami supposed to order cloud cover today? we’re they supposed to put up shade tents for Buffalo?   I get it, we lost and had a ton of guys cramp up and feel overheated. I think having the ball on offense for 90 plays was a serious issue. Blame Josh for ball controlling that much i guess. 

No one complains here when our weather helps the Bills win at home.

 

 

I have to disagree. 

 

The weather has come up because it was such a huge factor. Was listening to an interview with a camera man after the game and he said the temp on the field was 124 degrees and no meaningful shade for the Bills on the sideline. We had guys getting multiple IV's during the game. I have never seen heat impact a game that much in my many years watching the sport - blizzards, wind storms, torrential rains and sub-zero cold yes, but not this.

 

Just like the wind storm that created a weird run-only game with NE last year, they are talked about because how much those kind of games are anomalies. Those games are not good predictors of how future contests between those same teams will play out under more normal conditions.

 

The heat is no joke though, and the NFL could do better for player safety by scheduling those games for later in the evening or have Miami play in Buffalo, NE, NJ early in the season and get home field for the second half of the year. Just my opinion.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by WideNine

[Protocal69]

Quick Question. On that last play when McKenzie caught the ball what would have happened if he "had conveniently" fumbled out of bounce regarding the clock. In other words would the clock have stopped.

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Unacceptable to get no FG attempts at the end of both halves(no timeouts in the first half drive), and not going for 4th and short near the red zone before the missed FG 
 

also, not sure the exact play but first half Ingram was engaged with Dawkins and kicked Josh Allen. 

 

It wasnt fourth and short it was 4th and 4.  FG is the right call there.  Not McDs fault basomatic missed a chip shot.

1 hour ago, Protocal69 said:

I hope Knox is ok

 

 

Yep Im pissed that wasnt called then they called defenseless on us when it was the receivers momentum going into our back where the hit wasnt even head.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[astb41]

The best part of this loss is the absolute a** whooping this team is gonna put on the fish on Saturday Dec 17 at home in a nationally televised game (tbd on the tv thing but here’s hoping 👊🏻)

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, Protocal69 said:

Quick Question. On that last play when McKenzie caught the ball what would have happened if he "had conveniently" fumbled out of bounce regarding the clock. In other words would the clock have stopped.

 

Good question. I believe they would have brought the ball back to where he fumbled and not where it went out of bounds. Not sure about the clock. Maybe a 10 second run off. Either way best case scenario would have been a 65 yard FG if he intentionally fumbles it at the 47. 

[Scott7975]

48 minutes ago, zow2 said:

The weather affected the Bills obviously.  But i think there’s been too much complaining on social media and this message board about it.  We’ve played in Miami for many years including Hard Rock, and won more than our share. Was Miami supposed to order cloud cover today? we’re they supposed to put up shade tents for Buffalo?   I get it, we lost and had a ton of guys cramp up and feel overheated. I think having the ball on offense for 90 plays was a serious issue. Blame Josh for ball controlling that much i guess. 

No one complains here when our weather helps the Bills win at home.

 

People have died of heatstroke in that type of heat with that kind of physicality.  I think people do complain of weather... they all get mocked for wanting a dome.

[JohninMinn.]

McDermott and T Edmunds have reached their peak. Josh will take us to the Super Bowl inspite of their flaws.

[Protocal69]

At some point in the in the run game we just have to line up and punch someone in the face on short yardage. Singletary got the Bills to the 1 yard line on 1st down with push from the OL. 2nd and goal we run the read option we get stuff for a loss of 2 or 3 yards. Its probably the play where Josh Allen hurt his hand on . 3rd down he missed Diggs and 4th down he short hopped the pass to McKenzie.

 

It cant just always on Josh to make ALL the plays especially in a game like this. Think about the advantage we had in time of possession. Now Imagine if even half those plays were us running the ball. We basically had 3 starters out on the OL by the end of the game but still hindsight is 20/20 but another run by singletary or moss wins us the game. 

 

With that being said Josh Allen is my guy

[Chandler#81]

8 hours ago, WMDman said:

Miami shouldnt haqve won and shouldnt be happy they won lol

 

what really cost us is bass missing the fg quessenberry holding and imac not getting down

Those 3 were killers but terrible Center play can’t be overlooked. At least 4 muffed snaps and all of them were disastrous -including the last play of both half’s.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

59 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

It wasnt fourth and short it was 4th and 4.  FG is the right call there.  Not McDs fault basomatic missed a chip shot.

 

Yep Im pissed that wasnt called then they called defenseless on us when it was the receivers momentum going into our back where the hit wasnt even head.

Semantics. 4 is short, the analytics would say go for it, and the possibility of failure with ether decision is baked in.

[Scott7975]

8 minutes ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Semantics. 4 is short, the analytics would say go for it, and the possibility of failure with ether decision is baked in.

 

Sorry but I disagree.  Time and time again coaches have lost going for it in what analytics say.  Also you are assuming analytics say go for it in that situation... down, distance, score, time left, etc.  There are many variables to it than just down and distance.  That field goal is typically automatic... especially for Bass.  Its unfortunate he missed but IMO it was still the right call.  If McD went for it on 4th and 4 and they didnt get it then people would be talking about how not taking the points there lost the game and you know it.

 

and 4 is not short.  Its almost half the distance.  Short is 1 or 2.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[Nelius]

Out of state fan here that's listened to WGR post game shows over the internet for what feels like a decade now. What's going on this year? Second week in a row I couldn't get any post game on Audacy and then a few other lamer apps that usually offer their broadcast. I know Audacy switched to WGR about an hour after the game last week, but I checked nearly 2 hours after the game this week and it was still some CBS schlub.

 

I'm assuming they're actually still doing shows and this is just an issue with picking up the broadcast? Pretty disappointing. During the drought I could pick up a WGR post game in 15 seconds, now several years later when it matters, I can't get anything.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Nelius

[Scott7975]

4 minutes ago, Nelius said:

Out of state fan here that's listened to WGR post game shows over the internet for what feels like a decade now. What's going on this year? Second week in a row I couldn't get any post game on Audacy and then a few other lamer apps that usually offer their broadcast. I know Audacity switched to WGR about an hour after the game last week, but I checked nearly 2 hours after the game this week and it was still some CBS schlub.

 

I'm assuming they're actually still doing shows and this is just an issue with picking up the broadcast? Pretty disappointing. During the drought I could pick up a WGR post game in 15 seconds, now several years later when it matters, I can't get anything.

 

best bet is to just go to wgr550.com and click play

[Nelius]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

best bet is to just go to wgr550.com and click play

 

Ha yeah, not a bad idea. I remember trying years ago and the website never worked. I even downloaded some awful WGR app years ago that just buffered so I've just relied on third party apps ever sense. First time I've checked that site in years

 

Listening now and even the WGR site is still playing the CBS stream although I realize it's late over there

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

9 hours ago, MPT said:

Playing with half our starters and the refs giving the game to Miami all day long. Yeah, this doesn't bother me at all. Good luck even making the playoffs, Dolphins. Maybe we'll see you after we take a week off.

Reffing was atrocious. 

[MJS]

10 hours ago, zow2 said:

I actually come away from this game thinking Miami isn’t as good as i thought they might be.  So they will lose some down the road. And this keeps the chip on Buffalo’s shoulder. Long season. Gotta get some guys healthy and regroup.

Agree, except I am a little more impressed with Tua. He is a legit NFL QB. I know he didn't have the impressive stat line today, and Milano dropped that easy pick 6, but he made some plays.

 

I think we will massacre them in the 2nd game. We'll be healthy and the players will want it bad.

[Chandler#81]

Josh hurt his passing hand in that scrum. I don’t care what he or Sean say publicly -they’re known to not be open about injuries. They were both asked repeatedly and denied any issue. But the renowned velocity was M.I.A. thereafter. I read he had X-rays then continued to play. If true, then it’s likely nothings broke, just badly bruised. The ONLY times Diggs and Davis lose contested balls is when they arrive too late and that happened throughout the rest of the game. Too much air, soft and off target -including a couple ‘Tua-patented’ bounce passes. It probably contributed to the far too many muffed Center snaps and is directly related to why we lost. I hope he’s kept from throwing for a few days -if not the week.

[Scott7975]

 

 

 

 

 

[BillsBy50]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Josh hurt his passing hand in that scrum. I don’t care what he or Sean say publicly -they’re known to not be open about injuries. They were both asked repeatedly and denied any issue. But the renowned velocity was M.I.A. thereafter. I read he had X-rays then continued to play. If true, then it’s likely nothings broke, just badly bruised. The ONLY times Diggs and Davis lose contested balls is when they arrive too late and that happened throughout the rest of the game. Too much air, soft and off target -including a couple ‘Tua-patented’ bounce passes. It probably contributed to the far too many muffed Center snaps and is directly related to why we lost. I hope he’s kept from throwing for a few days -if not the week.

 It surely couldn’t have been the 63 passes and 10 runs he had in that humidity. Relax 

[mannc]

7 hours ago, BillsfaninSB said:

All Miami games should be at night in September and Maybe October.  It’s the new normal.

 

Not sure why the NFL puts the Pats and Bills down there in September. 

There is no excuse for it.  None.

[mannc]

8 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Within 10-15 years if temps keep rising at similar rates, Miami will end up having to postpone games due to heat or risk players literally dying on the field due to wet bulb temperatures being too high.

 

Wet bulb is a combination of heat and humidity together and when it becomes too high simply being outside can result in death after a short period of time as the body cannot cool itself faster than it is overheating. This is starting to become more common and within 10-15 years is expected to be a regular occurrence in some places.

 

Eric Woods was reporting the on field temperature was 112, humidity was 70% as reported meaning the wet bulb temperature was around 103. Anything over 95 is considered very dangerous.

 

I'm not sure people realize how close this game was to literally being a potential life and death situation for some players.

 

Unfortunately it will likely take a player dying on the field for the NFL to act.

 

The NFL does not care about the safety or comfort of fans or players…

[astb41]

It’s funny that they dominated the fish so badly that they wore themselves out and caused their own loss 😆😆

 

Gotta score Tuds at the end of multiple 10 min drives if you want to win I guess!