NFL Week #3 - Bills at the Dolphins - Post game thread

[Rick 'r Mortis]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Green Bay doesn’t seem to be having much trouble with the heat in Tampa…

I'd definitely like to know the difference in humidity between Miami today and Tampa.

[Billz4ever]

33 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

IIRC Eric Wood said it was 112 degrees on the field today.  I'm not making it an excuse but that's a home field advantage that's unrivaled in the NFL.  

 

It is an excuse because Miami had to play in it too.  If the Bills were not properly preparing and pumping fluids all week, that's on them.  We've played in Miami when it's been hot like this before.

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, Rick 'r Mortis said:

I'd definitely like to know the difference in humidity between Miami today and Tampa.

I'll let you know how humidity is in Miami tomorrow, because I think (?) that it's the same as today.  Headed there for a work event tomorrow.  I guess there's some kind of hurricane approaching as well.

[mannc]

Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I think the later start time there helps with the heat. I don’t think the heat index is over 100. 

Maybe a little

[BigAl2526]

1 hour ago, wjag said:

The After Blow

 

1. Tua made the throws when he had to.  Waddle got behind the secondary one time and it was the difference in the game.

 

Matt Milano dropped a potential pick six, and it was the difference in the game.

 

Miami had the advantage of sitting in the shade on the sideline while Buffalo cooked in the hot sun, and it was the difference in the game.

 

Buffalo played the whole game with 4 backups in the defensive backfield, and it was the difference in the game.

 

A fumbled exchange from backup center Van Roten halted a long potential scoring drive when even a field goal changes the outcome, and it was the difference in the game.  

 

My point is a whole bunch of things went wrong in this game, and only one of them going right may have changed the outcome.  Such is life in the NFL.

[DCbillsfan]

24 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

It is an excuse because Miami had to play in it too.  If the Bills were not properly preparing and pumping fluids all week, that's on them.  We've played in Miami when it's been hot like this before.

My point is Miami practices in that heat all training camp and preseason and the Bills don't.  It's that plain and simple.  It's a lot more than just staying hydrated.

 

Here's a real weather example.  Back in college went to Disney World around New Years.  It was in the low 40s.  My brother and I were running around in t shirts and shorts.  The native Floridians were wearing winter coats and hats and freezing their asses off.  True story

Edited September 25, 2022 by DCbillsfan

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, BillzFreak said:

But you can also say Brady is down his 3 starting receivers and a bunch of starting offensive linemen. Funny how this works right 😉

Miami’s offense (and Bills’ defense) wasn’t the problem today…

[Royale with Cheese]

4 minutes ago, mannc said:

Green Bay doesn’t seem to be having much trouble with the heat in Tampa…

Well the heat index during the Bills/Dolphins  was 100.  Its not as hot in Tampa right now.  The Bills players were in the sun the entire game because of the stadium design.

[Billz4ever]

13 minutes ago, RunTheBall said:

The lack of a competent running game is the single most important issue to fix. Even we can’t be one dimensional and go far in the playoffs

That and it's going to lead to Josh getting hurt.  We need to be realistic here.  It's eventually going to happen because of being 1 dimensional.  Whether is on a run or just scrambling out of the pocket to extend the play.  This is a play style that is not sustainable in the long term.

[BillzFreak]

Just now, mannc said:

Miami’s offense (and Bills’ defense) wasn’t the problem today…

The offensive line was surely a problem today. Injuries sure played a role in the offensive line struggling today. So saying green bay isn't struggling in the heat can also go the other way. Tampa Tom is struggling due to a mass amount of injuries. 

[Nelius]

7 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

It is an excuse because Miami had to play in it too.  If the Bills were not properly preparing and pumping fluids all week, that's on them.  We've played in Miami when it's been hot like this before.

I’ve seen this a few times now but isn’t it common knowledge that the Fish’s stadium is designed so that the visitors bear the brunt of the sun? I can personally think of about 10 other reasons why we lost today before getting to the heat, but I don’t think it’s an equal situation for both teams.

[Billz4ever]

38 minutes ago, Luka said:

Players could not execute today. Nothing to do with coaching. We had multiple, multiple opportunities to win this game. Milano drops a pick 6, Gabe Davis drops a TD, Allen skips a pass to a wide open McKenzie which would've been a TD, Bass misses a field goal... that's 24 points right there. And if that's not enough McKenzie for some reason decides to stay in bounds with no time outs left which would've set up a game winning field goal chance. 

Not sure how all that equates to "coaching." 

Rushing only 3 on a 3rd and 22 against a decimated secondary is definitely a coaching mistake in my view and also in my view, was the play of the game.

[atlbillsfan1975]

33 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

There are always going to be excuses when they lose…. Miami had to play in the same heat.

 
There will always be excuses when an inferior opponent wins. 

Edited September 25, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975

[vincec]

2 hours ago, Iverwig said:

Looking at final play McKenzie should have went out of bounds. That might explain why Dorsey was ticked. 

Or just dove forward. They would have had time to spike it.

[Luka]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Rushing only 3 on a 3rd and 22 against a decimated secondary is definitely a coaching mistake in my view and also in my view, was the play of the game.

So not the 24 points we don't score... but one 3rd and 22... which by the way, we also completed a similar 3rd down conversion and the Phins seemed to recover...

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, Luka said:

So not the 24 points we don't score... but one 3rd and 22... which by the way, we also completed a similar 3rd down conversion and the Phins seemed to recover...

That was a 40+ yard gain that put them in scoring position because instead of bringing heat to take the pressure off a decimated secondary, we allow them to complete a bomb with 8 men in coverage.  Clear coaching mistake. If Jackson, Poyer and Hyde are back there, you can probably get away with that.  With what we have now, not so much and the coaches need to recognize that.

 

 

[Locomark]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Rushing only 3 on a 3rd and 22 against a decimated secondary is definitely a coaching mistake in my view and also in my view, was the play of the game.

This was the key thing that irritated me today, besides the awful red zone calls at the end. Playing prevent when we just needed to rush Tua into another bad throw. Silly strategy on a day where our defense was deserving and our offense put up 500 yards. 

[BillsFan692]

1 minute ago, Locomark said:

This was the key thing that irritated me today, besides the awful red zone calls at the end. Playing prevent when we just needed to rush Tua into another bad throw. Silly strategy on a day where our defense was deserving and our offense put up 500 yards. 

Plus it shows little growth and nothing learned from similar mistakes made last year when it mattered most. Highly disappointing!

[Royale with Cheese]

No Micah Hyde

No Jordan Poyer

No Tre’Davious White

No Dane Jackson

No Jordan Phillips

No Ed Oliver

Limited Stefon Diggs 

Limited Isaiah McKenzie

Limited Dawson Knox

Limited Gabe Davis

No Mitch Morse

No Spencer Brown

No Ryan Bates

No Greg Van Roten

100 degrees on the field

Bobbled snap before the half

Misfire from Allen to McKenzie late

Davis dropped the TD

Milano dropped the pick-six

 

[BillsFan692]

Dorsey's look at the end of the game was pretty ridiculous too, like so angry but you got josh in shotgun on 2nd and inches from the goal

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Locomark said:

This was the key thing that irritated me today, besides the awful red zone calls at the end. Playing prevent when we just needed to rush Tua into another bad throw. Silly strategy on a day where our defense was deserving and our offense put up 500 yards. 

The worst part about it was game feel.  
 

Tua was rattled in that moment.  Just rush 4 and he can’t stand in his gigantic pocket scanning the field without a care in the world. 

[Locomark]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Dorsey's look at the end of the game was pretty ridiculous too, like so angry but you got josh in shotgun on 2nd and inches from the goal

That too. Just I form it! 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

1 hour ago, Roundybout said:

I still cannot believe we gave up 3rd and 22 like that. Why do we even have an UDFA from UB of all places?

Safeties were in deep coverage there. 

I'd hate to have guys from UB on the team. Like Khalil Mack for instance. 

[Beast]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

No Micah Hyde

No Jordan Poyer

No Tre’Davious White

No Dane Jackson

No Jordan Phillips

No Ed Oliver

Limited Stefon Diggs 

Limited Isaiah McKenzie

Limited Dawson Knox

Limited Gabe Davis

No Mitch Morse

No Spencer Brown

No Ryan Bates

No Greg Van Roten

100 degrees on the field

Bobbled snap before the half

Misfire from Allen to McKenzie late

Davis dropped the TD

Milano dropped the pick-six

 

 

Yeah, that's why I'm not up in arms about this loss.

 

The Bills actually dominated the game. I believe exhausted players made some non-characteristic mistakes as the game went on.

 

This game reminded me a lot of the Rams game. A whole lot of dominance and a whole lot of points left out on the field and not put up on the scoreboard.

 

On to Baltimore where I will admit I think the Bills will struggle after this loss today. Total exhaustion.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Beast

[SloanBillsFan]

I'm just curious whether or not this is the most decimated with injuries the Bills have been in the Josh Allen era? 

[vincec]

10 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Dorsey's look at the end of the game was pretty ridiculous too, like so angry but you got josh in shotgun on 2nd and inches from the goal

Bills run a lot of QB power from that formation on the goal line, so they can still run it. In fact, that’s probably their best running play from the goal line.

Edited September 25, 2022 by vincec

[UKBillFan]

11 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

That was a 40+ yard gain that put them in scoring position because instead of bringing heat to take the pressure off a decimated secondary, we allow them to complete a bomb with 8 men in coverage.  Clear coaching mistake. If Jackson, Poyer and Hyde are back there, you can probably get away with that.  With what we have now, not so much and the coaches need to recognize that.

 

 

There were two (perhaps three) coaching errors IMO - the second offensive drive play calling, the defensive set up on 3 & 22 and calling our final timeout instead of taking the delay of game.

 

In comparison we made numerous execution errors on offense (Josh, Diggs, McKenzie, Davis), one key one on defense (Milano) and a couple on STs (Bass and Crowder).

[nedboy7]

33 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

How many times did the Bills start off like gangbusters in the lean years only to implode later? A Bills fan of all people should know better than to making a huge deal about 3-0.

 

You're going to have to really try hard to convince me why I'm supposed to be impressed by a team that barely broke 200 yards of offense against a decimated defense.

 

I hear you.  They could very well implode.  The Bills are clearly superior.  Does not mean they are trash like I read all week on here. 

[Solomon Grundy]

18 minutes ago, vincec said:

Or just dove forward. They would have had time to spike it.

Maybe it's just me, but I didn't see the urgency in the team to line up or ref to spot the ball

[UKBillFan]

Just now, nedboy7 said:

 

I hear you.  They could very well implode.  The Bills are clearly superior.  Does not mean they are trash like I read all week on here. 

They’re not trash but they’re nothing special. The Chiefs - yes I know they lost today - would have put 40 on us considering how depleted we were.

[muppy]

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Honestly, we outplayed them, both our O and D were the better units, however they finished the few drives they had with 3 TD's, we have a ton more successful offensive drives, but we didn't finish, we drew penalties, missed a FG, missed two spikes, fumbled, the biggie us going 0/4 inside the 6 in comparison to backup safety Johnson taking a penalty in the same situation

Our D only gave up 21 pts today, but really only gave up 14 pts, that should be good enough to win with our offense, and especially considering the injuries, I thought our D held up great today, yes the safety play on the winning Phins touchdown was horrendous, but overall a tremendous effort on Fraser's part, and the rookies made mistakes but the zone held up

However I can't say our offence was successful, yes we controlled the TOP and gained almost 500 yards, but just scoring 17 pts means we left a ton of points out on the field, and especially in the 2nd half and 4Q, an offense that gains that many yards should be scoring way more points, whereas instead our O gave away 7 pts and only converted two TD's, that's not a winning formula, the bottom line is we should have won the game

My feeling is our O gave this one away more than the Dolphins won anything, our D limited them to just 14 pts, our O way outplayed their D to almost gaining 500 yards, it's a lucky win for the Phins, but an example that in the NFL a key turnover and finishing your offensive drive with TD's gives you a chance to win even when you are outplayed, us not converting on three 2nd half long drives, was reminiscent of how we lost games last season, where we were in position to win, but our O unit could not convert

 

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[Solomon Grundy]

24 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Rushing only 3 on a 3rd and 22 against a decimated secondary is definitely a coaching mistake in my view and also in my view, was the play of the game.

I wanna know why Von wasn't on the field for that play? He was brought here to be the "closer"

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

 

More like Miami is not as bad as portrayed on this board. 

 

Really?  They barely edged out what basically amounts to Josh Allen and our preseason roster.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

What the *****… why do people think Davis caught that ball? He didn’t. Good play from the CB but should’ve been caught and wasn’t. 

I mean, pretty simply, he did, and started to turn and then it was stripped, all over the goal line, had they called TD it would not have been overturned.. for all the bull ***** McClappy challenges with ZERO chance of winning, this was worth a shot.

4 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wanna know why Von wasn't on the field for that play? He was brought here to be the "closer"

More crap coaching.

[Billz4ever]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Dorsey's look at the end of the game was pretty ridiculous too, like so angry but you got josh in shotgun on 2nd and inches from the goal

Need less than a yard, Josh is in shotgun.  What that tells me is Dorsey had no confidence in the line today.  Miami ran it against us in goal to go yardage and has success.  No reason why we can't do the same unless they have convinced themselves they can't.  Hell, run 3 straight QB sneaks for crying out loud.  You needed less than a yard. 

[Mango]

3 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wanna know why Von wasn't on the field for that play? He was brought here to be the "closer"

It’s the Jim Schwartz/Chan Gailey answer. It is part of the rotation. 
 

A lot of guys were struggling. Von could have been as well. And may give a clue as to why they rushed 3. 
 

This game was such a mess, I am not sure this is a decision I’m that concerned about. 

[Billz4ever]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I wanna know why Von wasn't on the field for that play? He was brought here to be the "closer"

Defies logic.  It's like getting any pressure on the QB whatsoever never even crossed their mind.

 

If you have a decimated secondary, the LAST thing you should be trying to do is to give the opposing QB time to find the hole in the coverage.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

What that tells me is Dorsey had no confidence in the line today.

 

It's not just today; he's already done this multiple times in short yardage situations this year.

[Scott7975]

3 hours ago, nedboy7 said:

So now JA might have a hand injury? 

 

Ugh I hope not. If his hand is broken our season is over.

[Billz4ever]

Just now, Simon said:

 

It's not just today; he's already done this multiple times in short yardage situations this year.

I get maybe if it's like goal to go and 5+ yards.  But less than a yard?  Are you kidding me?