OBJ or Christian McCaffrey

[TFBillsfan]

A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen?  One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. 
 
Reality is most likely neither occur. 
 

Thoughts?

[TheCockSportif]

If so, then it's OBJ.

[SCBills]

OBJ, and it's not even close.  

 

Sign a FA WR for a minimal one year cap hit vs Trade for a RB with a huge contract?  

 

We haven't even figured out how to use James Cook yet.  

[Nextmanup]

A lot of fans here hate OBJ.  I agree he's not a super likable guy.

WHO CARES ABOUT THAT.

I would add him to this team for a fair price in the blink of an eye! 

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

OBJ, by far.

 

CMC is too expensive and too fragile.

[Son of a K-Gun]

How would the Bills afford CMC???

[Gugny]

Just now, Son of a K-Gun said:

How would the Bills afford CMC???

 

And why would they want to??

[Alphadawg7]

52 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen?  One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. 
 
Reality is most likely neither occur. 
 

Thoughts?

 

No chance on any RB not in the final year of their deal, and even then, we still wouldn't likely give up a trade asset for a RB when we barely run the ball, and when we do, Devin does quite well. 

 

OBJ is a possibility, although not a certainty.  

Edited September 22, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[SCBills]

Also, re: running game... Once the Playoffs start, is anyone under the illusion that Josh Allen won't be running the ball?  

 

I love a regular season gameplan like the one we deployed vs the Titans.  Zero reason to run Allen right now.  That said.. in the Playoffs, he will be unleashed.  If anyone is worried about a running game, don't be... We will have one come playoff time.  

 

What we don't have is outside WR depth.  Shakir did not look ready in his limited snaps.   Kumerow and co., can fill in nicely in the regular season against Tennessee.. not trying to depend on him, if necessary, come Playoff time. 
 

Edited September 22, 2022 by SCBills

[Son of a K-Gun]

Isn't McCaffrey due to be injured in a week or two anyways?

[Ya Digg?]

19 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen?  One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. 
 
Reality is most likely neither occur. 
 

Thoughts?

Wait I’m confused-you think them signing Blackshear means they want to get rid of CMC?? I get the preseason love the guy got, but wow 

[LabattBlue]

Neither. 

[aristocrat]

Mccaffrey has a cap hit of 20 mil next year and a dead cap of 18 mil. How do you expect to handle this? 

[first_and_ten]

3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

Mccaffrey has a cap hit of 20 mil next year and a dead cap of 18 mil. How do you expect to handle this? 

 

Exactly why they won't handle it.

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Neither. 

Legitimately asking.. why?

 

He won’t be signed to take away snaps from Diggs or Davis.  We have a timeshare at slot with McKenzie and Crowder.   He’s definitely an upgrade over those two and provides outside WR insurance that we currently don’t possess. 
 

This is assuming he will sign for a moderate contract that we can fit easily under the cap for a half a season.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

We have arguably the most dynamic offense in the NFL with a great team dynamic and you want to have the expense and risk of either?  I don't get it.

[aristocrat]

I'd take OBJ as depth for sure. Kumerow looked good but having OBJ in case someone else goes down is a nice insurance policy

[Royale with Cheese]

OBJ for sure.  I would be okay if we never ran the ball again and giving Allen 65 attempts.  

[DCofNC]

28 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprise to see either happen, although I feel like CMC would be significantly less likely.  We can actually fairly easily fit him in here cap wise this season, but he is a one year rental, they are not going to pay him next year as Free Agent no matter how good he plays.  This is a passing offense, 0% chance they invest in a RB contract wise.  With that being known, I can't see Beane giving up a valuable draft asset we will need (and they keep succeeding with) to keep young talent coming into this roster with all the player contracts we have given out to keep or add important players.  

 

Plus Devin has shown to be very good for us when given rush attempts, we just haven't rushed the ball.  Not saying he is on CMC level, but its not like we have a problem rushing the ball, its that we just don't do it very often.  But the reason I said I still won't be surprised if we traded for CMC (even though I think its very unlikely) is because I do feel like Beane is all in on a Super Bowl this year...so he may say F it and just pull the trigger if he felt that got us over the top.  

 

So...coming back to all this, I think the most plausible scenario is OBJ obviously, but even that is not a certainty.  

 

Actually he is not expensive this year, and we can easily fit him in.  That being said, I think there almost no chance we trade for him for reasons I already posted.  But just saying the cost part of it isn't really relevant because we can fit him in and this is the last year of his deal. 

This is not the last year of his deal, he’s signed through 2026, it’s probably not even the last year he will see on this deal, it would be 18M in dead cap to cut/trade him next season too. 
 

There’s no way the Bills would take on his deal, I’m not sure anybody would honestly.

[ddaryl]

there isn't a snow balls chance in hell we will be making a move for McCaffrey

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/christian-mccaffrey-21749/

do the math

[Craig Oi]

OBJ, no question in my mind. Plenty of reasons why have already been stated.

[LabattBlue]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

I'd take OBJ as depth for sure. Kumerow looked good but having OBJ in case someone else goes down is a nice insurance policy

You think OBJ wants to come here as a depth player, and be happy sitting on the bench game after game?

[Southern_Bills]

OBJ, not even close. If he's coming back for just the playoffs a very friendly deal can be made.

 

CMC you will have to give up draft capital and take on his contract (whatever is left of it).

 

Not to mention OBJ has way more value the way the Bills play offense. 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:

You think OBJ wants to come here as a depth player, and be happy sitting on the bench game after game?

 

He's only playing for 5-6 regular season games and a playoff run. Then he gets a payday somewhere in the off season. What better than that?  Show he's healthy and a great teammate and 100 mil contract comes his way

[DCofNC]

To the point of the OP, I’m going for OBJ all day, he’s a player at a position of absolutely zero depth.  IDGAF what the homers think, beyond the starters, we don’t have a single player on the outside that’s anything more than a replacement level player.  Davis has never been more than a mediocre #2, I know there are high hopes/expectations, but he’s never done it.  So the reality is it’s Diggs and a bunch of Jags, until Davis proves he’s more than that.  Even so, if Diggs goes down, there’s nobody who’s even remotely capable of making up for that.  To have the opportunity to put OBJ out there with Diggs and Davis would be awesome, to know if somebody gets hurt, you have a REAL second option is priceless to a team w Championship aspirations.

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

This is not the last year of his deal, he’s signed through 2026, it’s probably not even the last year he will see on this deal, it would be 18M in dead cap to cut/trade him next season too. 
 

There’s no way the Bills would take on his deal, I’m not sure anybody would honestly.

 

My bad, you are correct, I was mistakenly thinking about Saquan when both were being talked about during the offseason.  Thanks for catching that.  

 

Ok, so yeah...0% chance IMHO we would trade for CMC then.  If the one year rental is off the table, there is just no way we will absorb any contract at RB given we have other important players contracts looming as it is.  

[StHustle]

I say we trade for Blackshear 🤔

[DCofNC]

6 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You think OBJ wants to come here as a depth player, and be happy sitting on the bench game after game?

He’s not going to be sitting if he’s healthy, he’s going to be on the field as the #2 option.

[LabattBlue]

Just now, DCofNC said:

He’s not going to be sitting if he’s healthy, he’s going to be on the field as the #2 option.

Did you read the post of the person I replied to?

[DCofNC]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

My bad, you are correct, I was mistakenly thinking about Saquan when both were being talked about during the offseason.  Thanks for catching that.  

 

Ok, so yeah...0% chance IMHO we would trade for CMC then.  If the one year rental is off the table, there is just no way we will absorb any contract at RB given we have other important players contracts looming as it is.  

I was hoping we would make a move for Saquon last off-season, if we could have stolen him for a late pick when the Giants were being stupid, he would have been a nice piece to add for this year.  Maybe he ends up on a prove it deal next year and we get a nice rental player.

2 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Did you read the post of the person I replied to?

I took what they were saying as, OBJ would be an upgrade to Kumero and a nice insurance policy, meaning a #3 possibly 2.  I think people grossly over estimate Davis vs the real elite players in the league.  I’m saying OBJ would instantly (if healthy) be #2 to Diggs the way he was to Kupp last year. 

[T master]

No i say we have a good back in Singletary & he's one of the Bills picks and does as well as any other when given the chance to get going OBJ on the other hand if it's a end of the year contract that is very friendly because he would have to learn the offense & have no chemistry in it so on the cheap why not !

[ColoradoBills]

56 minutes ago, TFBillsfan said:

A lot of talk about the Bills potentially adding OBJ later this year. With Carolina signing Blackshear, it got be pondering CMc future in Carolina. What if Carolina continues to tank and a trade could be worked out? Would you trade DS and a future draft pick to make that happen?  One could argue we are good at WR. McCaffrey would look great in the Bills backfield. 
 
Reality is most likely neither occur. 
 

Thoughts?

 

The Bills offense seems pretty good to me.  With the limited resources Beane has it may be better spent on a DB with the injuries

to that unit.  It's only week #3.  No need to do anything yet.

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

I was hoping we would make a move for Saquon last off-season, if we could have stolen him for a late pick when the Giants were being stupid, he would have been a nice piece to add for this year.  Maybe he ends up on a prove it deal next year and we get a nice rental player.

 

Yeah, I was never interested in CMC this offseason, but was very interested in Barkley.  I thought if we could say flip Devin or Moss and like a 4th round pick for him, it was something I would have pulled the trigger on.

 

At the same time, I am definitely a believer in Devin, so I am not worried about the run game too much.  I mean our lack of run game is strictly by choice, not from the lack of ability too.  Devin has shown he is quite good when given the opportunities, but the pass game has just been decimating defenses and unstoppable, so they really haven't needed to run much yet.  But when we do, I really like our new blocking scheme and think Devin can be even better when given sufficient rush attempts like he was the last part of the season last year and playoffs.  

 

I just wish they would stop rotating Moss in, let Devin take those rush attempts, it's not like he has a heavy workload.  I also can't wait to see Cook get more involved too, still think he will be a nice weapon for us as the season wears on. 

 

 

[Beast]

I'd rather have a TE or CB than either.

[DCofNC]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Yeah, I was never interested in CMC this offseason, but was very interested in Barkley.  I thought if we could say flip Devin or Moss and like a 4th round pick for him, it was something I would have pulled the trigger on.

 

At the same time, I am definitely a believer in Devin, so I am not worried about the run game too much.  I mean our lack of run game is strictly by choice, not from the lack of ability too.  Devin has shown he is quite good when given the opportunities, but the pass game has just been decimating defenses and unstoppable, so they really haven't needed to run much yet.  But when we do, I really like our new blocking scheme and think Devin can be even better when given sufficient rush attempts like he was the last part of the season last year and playoffs.  

 

I just wish they would stop rotating Moss in, let Devin take those rush attempts, it's not like he has a heavy workload.  I also can't wait to see Cook get more involved too, still think he will be a nice weapon for us as the season wears on. 

 

 

I absolutely agree, they need to give Motor all the carries.  It’s not like they are running 30 times a game.  He’s getting the load of a team that splits carries and STILL giving some up 😂.

 

On the other side of things, I think Cook should be inactive.  He can’t pass protect, he can’t run between the tackles and because he can’t do either, he’s only in there to catch out of the backfield and everyone in the building knows it, which means he’s nothing more than a slot WR who lines up in the wrong spot.   Until he can offer SOMETHING besides being a pass catcher, he needs to either play out of the slot (no room for that on this team) or not dress.  He’s a wasted roster spot.   Adding to this, Moss should also be flat out cut and bring Duke Johnson back to take his spot as a guy who is a decent runner, better pass catching back and can at least keep JA from being destroyed.

[DrDawkinstein]

29 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You think OBJ wants to come here as a depth player, and be happy sitting on the bench game after game?

 

He's sitting on the couch not making any money now, so....

 

yeah, hanging out with a SB team and being part of their SB run, and getting another ring and whatever credit he can milk from that to boost his resume and HOF chances... Yeah, I think he would.

[Jay_Fixit]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

OBJ, by far.

 

CMC is too expensive and too fragile.

OBJ - 96 out of a possible 131 games played (2 this year so far and counting)

CMC - 60 out of a possible 83 games.

 

Who’s too fragile?

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

OBJ - 96 out of a possible 131 games played (2 this year so far and counting)

CMC - 60 out of a possible 83 games.

 

Who’s too fragile?

 

CMC, since the entire equation is cost AND availability.

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

OBJ, by far.

 

CMC is too expensive and too fragile.

This right here ^^^
 

not that OBJ and his knees are far behind on the injury front, but at least he’s a cheap buy in for half a season…, 

CMC is way to expensive contract wise, and basically he’s broken, and has been for a while now. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

No thanks to either.