mannc Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Talleywhacker might be a terrible QB, but he shows good closing speed when chasing down defenders to whom he has just thrown the football. Very impressive athleticism… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 I don't understand why people can't comprehend that completing 4 touchdown passes in the fourth quarter means that Tua IS a great quarterback. I mean the last QB to accomplish that feat was the great Sage Rosenfels and he went on to....oh wait....never mind. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 31 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Omg while factually correct 😜 No love for Shula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 11 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No love for Shula 😆 EVEN 🐬 fans are mocking it. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 36 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Especially Jordan Phillips! (Love ya Jordan) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 25 minutes ago, fergie's ire said: I don't understand why people can't comprehend that completing 4 touchdown passes in the fourth quarter means that Tua IS a great quarterback. I mean the last QB to accomplish that feat was the great Sage Rosenfels and he went on to....oh wait....never mind. I think Dolphins fans will be somewhat bipolar this season. I was enjoying the Dolphins board during the Ravens game last week. Seriously, for 3 quarters, every single person was saying things like “Tua sucks… we’re dead… why can’t we have a guy like Josh Allen, etc etc.”. At the end of the game it was “Tua is amazing. We’re going to the super bowl. Tua for MVP. Bring on Buffalo!” Just feel like (until they string together some consistency) that could be the game-to-game story for Tua and the Dolphins this season. We’ll see… but I have been wrong once before! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 23 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said: No love for Shula Shula did not start 2-0 in his first season as dolphins head coach https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/1970.htm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Omg while factually correct 😜 That is kinda funny… but pretty sure they meant in their first season as a coach.. but still.. “something special?” Remember when we crowned Trent Edwards (and whomever that coach was) the saviors of Buffalo after 4 games? Holy cow… way too early in the season for all this talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Agreed. We haven't faced a defense with Miami's quality yet, THIS season. Blitz-heavy defenses gave a younger Josh Allen some trouble. I agree that this problem was fully solved last season. Hopefully that holds true throughout 2022. There was a dicey stretch even last week. It COULD happen. Never forget that effing Jaguars game. I hope he stays that way and punishes them when they bring extra bodies, but also recognizes and adjusts when they don't. They like to muddy up the LOS pre-snap. Mug those gaps. 11 hours ago, K-9 said: You’re curious about what Josh does against a blitz heavy attack? Go back to the beginning of the 2020 season, watch every game and then do the same for last season. You will learn two things: Josh absolutely destroys blitz heavy schemes and why teams seldom do it anymore. Yeah, I know Allen’s recent track record against the blitz, and why teams now won’t do it. But I agree with Noggin— don’t think this year’s team has really been tested on it. And people sort of forget that one dolphins game last year where the Bills didn’t look great for most of it, and turned it on in the second half to pull away. The offense will be tested with pressure, and just hope we execute at the same high level that Josh has done so in the past. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 18 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: I think Dolphins fans will be somewhat bipolar this season. I was enjoying the Dolphins board during the Ravens game last week. Seriously, for 3 quarters, every single person was saying things like “Tua sucks… we’re dead… why can’t we have a guy like Josh Allen, etc etc.”. At the end of the game it was “Tua is amazing. We’re going to the super bowl. Tua for MVP. Bring on Buffalo!” Just feel like (until they string together some consistency) that could be the game-to-game story for Tua and the Dolphins this season. We’ll see… but I have been wrong once before! I think that makes sense and is actually really reasonable. Even if he IS going to be their franchise quarterback and is on his way to greatness, he is at a stage where he is going to have ups and downs. I understand Phins fans who are given hope by what they saw last week....they should feel like they have seen a flash of what could be. What drives me crazy is that there seem to be a lot who are saying, "That's it. He has figured it out and is going to be MVP and future hall of famer." This Sunday will be an interesting test for Tua, but he has many more tests to come before he is crowned as "the guy" in Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 3 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Ya know how worried I am ? Not At All! These guys have such a good show b.c they talk sports the way I want to listen about people talking sports. Also helps they are all fans of different teams. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, TBBills said: These guys have such a good show b.c they talk sports the way I want to listen about people talking sports. Also helps they are all fans of different teams. The thing I like is that they are all fans of the game and aren't a "hot topic" machine like most other mainline media. Granted they do throw a nugget in here and there but don't usually drool all over it for 20 minutes. Edited September 24, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billschinatown Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 21 minutes ago, TBBills said: These guys have such a good show b.c they talk sports the way I want to listen about people talking sports. Also helps they are all fans of different teams. The clips are good, watching a whole show can be a tough slog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I am curious how the offense does against a blitz heavy attack. The Dolphins tried man with pressure Week 2 2020 and got deep-crossered for 400 yards. It went badly then, it'll go worse now because their best personnel for playing man (and still getting torched) are unavailable and/or limited, and it's 2 years of experience beating the hell out of such coverage for the Bills. It was actually a Fins fan that commented on their board (there's some knowledgeable posters there) that both the Rams and Titans played shell to take away the deep shots until the games started slipping away, but the very first play - the VERY first play - they went single high or cover-0, Allen went immediately over the top for a knockout blow. To paraphrase, "Allen's eyes are always downfield, always." Touchdowns first. Then come down to the gimme slants and outs where the ball is there before anyone can do anything about it. You could see this developing the back half of last season. The Rams game was nothing but short rhythm passing the entire first half. It was the Brady formula, death by 1,000 cuts, until you couldn't take it anymore. And then, boom. If Allen can execute that, with the recognition that any deviation from shell, he goes straight to big-play mode... what do you do to stop it? You hope a slot guy lets the ball get to his chest and the ball pops up for a pick? This was a tantalizing prospect even back to Allen's rookie season: if the kid ever learns to execute an NFL offense, he might be as unstoppable as any player has been. That potential is close to realized. It's something to see, it doesn't come often. 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, TBBills said: These guys have such a good show b.c they talk sports the way I want to listen about people talking sports. Also helps they are all fans of different teams. Yep! Prudes and Bible-thumpers need not apply. 🤷♂️ 17 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: The Dolphins tried man with pressure Week 2 2020 and got deep-crossered for 400 yards. It went badly then, it'll go worse now because their best personnel for playing man (and still getting torched) are unavailable and/or limited, and it's 2 years of experience beating the hell out of such coverage for the Bills. It was actually a Fins fan that commented on their board (there's some knowledgeable posters there) that both the Rams and Titans played shell to take away the deep shots until the games started slipping away, but the very first play - the VERY first play - they went single high or cover-0, Allen went immediately over the top for a knockout blow. To paraphrase, "Allen's eyes are always downfield, always." Touchdowns first. Then come down to the gimme slants and outs where the ball is there before anyone can do anything about it. You could see this developing the back half of last season. The Rams game was nothing but short rhythm passing the entire first half. It was the Brady formula, death by 1,000 cuts, until you couldn't take it anymore. And then, boom. If Allen can execute that, with the recognition that any deviation from shell, he goes straight to big-play mode... what do you do to stop it? You hope a slot guy lets the ball get to his chest and the ball pops up for a pick? This was a tantalizing prospect even back to Allen's rookie season: if the kid ever learns to execute an NFL offense, he might be as unstoppable as any player has been. That potential is close to realized. It's something to see, it doesn't come often. Great Post! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: The Dolphins tried man with pressure Week 2 2020 and got deep-crossered for 400 yards. It went badly then, it'll go worse now because their best personnel for playing man (and still getting torched) are unavailable and/or limited, and it's 2 years of experience beating the hell out of such coverage for the Bills. It was actually a Fins fan that commented on their board (there's some knowledgeable posters there) that both the Rams and Titans played shell to take away the deep shots until the games started slipping away, but the very first play - the VERY first play - they went single high or cover-0, Allen went immediately over the top for a knockout blow. To paraphrase, "Allen's eyes are always downfield, always." Touchdowns first. Then come down to the gimme slants and outs where the ball is there before anyone can do anything about it. You could see this developing the back half of last season. The Rams game was nothing but short rhythm passing the entire first half. It was the Brady formula, death by 1,000 cuts, until you couldn't take it anymore. And then, boom. If Allen can execute that, with the recognition that any deviation from shell, he goes straight to big-play mode... what do you do to stop it? You hope a slot guy lets the ball get to his chest and the ball pops up for a pick? This was a tantalizing prospect even back to Allen's rookie season: if the kid ever learns to execute an NFL offense, he might be as unstoppable as any player has been. That potential is close to realized. It's something to see, it doesn't come often. I will say that the Phins gave the Bills some issues last year in their second match up. They’re prolly looking at that game tape for scheme strategies. We also saw both the Rams and the Titans able to keep things close in the first half. What we’ve seen so far is that DCs have schemes that slow the Bills down, but as soon as they big brain football themselves into a tendency or weakness they spot in the other teams defense…it’s all over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 hour ago, mikemac2001 said: Shula did not start 2-0 in his first season as dolphins head coach https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/mia/1970.htm The graphic says start a season 2-0 nothing about first time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Omg while factually correct 😜 A lot of legendary coaches have started a season 2-0. Just look at the Bills: Greg Williams, Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, Doug Marrone.... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 So what Miami team do we feel like we’re going to see tomorrow? First 7 quarters of the season Miami or 4th quarter Baltimore Miami? Something in between? Either way, I think we win … but I think a lot of people are underestimating the Bills and overestimating the Dolphins. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, uninja said: I will say that the Phins gave the Bills some issues last year in their second match up. They’re prolly looking at that game tape for scheme strategies. We also saw both the Rams and the Titans able to keep things close in the first half. What we’ve seen so far is that DCs have schemes that slow the Bills down, but as soon as they big brain football themselves into a tendency or weakness they spot in the other teams defense…it’s all over. One other thing that seems different so far this season, is on both sides of the ball, the traditional Billsy tendency of getting whacked in the 3rd quarter after adjustments are made, has actually been flipped. Both Rams and Titans mainly hung with the Bills for the first half, but got terminated in the third quarter. See Allen's catchphrase of "not being a guy who gets figured out, but being a guy who figures it out." Looks like the coaches have adopted that as well? To take a tangent off the above, Allen is finally reaching the game-experience point of figuring it out on the fly and being a sub-coach on-field, showing ability to attack defenses on his own beyond play design. Cases include ad-libbing Diggs to the 9 route past Ramsey, or the throwback TD to Diggs against the Titans. I mean, on the latter, I figured that was a pick. The cameraman didn't even think it was possible to make that throw and by the time they panned down I saw nothing but white jerseys until 14 popped out of the mess with the ball. On-script, on-platform, or off-script, off-platform, it's all the same: the ball is going where it needs to go to succeed. That should prove to be the most stark difference in the game and what gives me the most hope for the Bills. Allen is how many years in the EP offense now? He knows where his answers are as well as the play designers do. We see him go down multiple reads every series. I haven't seen that yet in Tua, in his 3rd game with the MM zone-spread offense. He's been mainly executing the first-read and attacking wide within 10 yards, with some infrequent second reads or off-platform stuff. Credit him on the Cracroft score last week, it was good work to extend the play. But basically, I don't believe he's been in that offense long enough to know his answers consistently when the first read is closed off, and I do believe the Bills coaches will be able to scheme away the first read at least some of the time. I also don't think that when all else fails he can physically pull something special off with a crazy run or throw. Unless the Bills plan to let the first read run free 5 yards past the deep safety, I'd expect something more similar to Bills-49ers a couple years back with Nick Mullens, who can execute the offense sure, but isn't going to give the special plays, or threaten enough of the field, or have enough game experience to answer the defenses at game speed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of a K-Gun Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, uninja said: I will say that the Phins gave the Bills some issues last year in their second match up. They’re prolly looking at that game tape for scheme strategies. We also saw both the Rams and the Titans able to keep things close in the first half. What we’ve seen so far is that DCs have schemes that slow the Bills down, but as soon as they big brain football themselves into a tendency or weakness they spot in the other teams defense…it’s all over. True on that second Miami game last year, but that game was the start of the offensive funk the team went through in November, with the infamous Jags game the following week. It wasn’t until the second half against Tampa that the offense started to show signs of getting it right again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said: Ya know how worried I am ? Not At All! The Billdos are only for the Pats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: The Billdos are only for the Pats! McAfee never seems to get that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) Tua crushed Edited September 24, 2022 by Kaenon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) Honestly after losing Hyde for the season, I think the team is going to be in a mood and that is not going to be good for Miami. Edited September 24, 2022 by Warcodered 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Son of a K-Gun said: True on that second Miami game last year, but that game was the start of the offensive funk the team went through in November, with the infamous Jags game the following week. It wasn’t until the second half against Tampa that the offense started to show signs of getting it right again. I think they had Byron jones and a healthy Xavien Howard in that game if I’m remembering correctly…they love to play man coverage without a lot of safety help so having banged up corners should be a bigger deal for them than us. I’m sure Howard is gonna play but they’ve got a big dropoff on the other corner spot compared to that game last year and who knows how close to 100% Howard is Edited September 24, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said: Agreed. We haven't faced a defense with Miami's quality yet, THIS season. Blitz-heavy defenses gave a younger Josh Allen some trouble. I agree that this problem was fully solved last season. Hopefully that holds true throughout 2022. There was a dicey stretch even last week. It COULD happen. Never forget that effing Jaguars game. I hope he stays that way and punishes them when they bring extra bodies, but also recognizes and adjusts when they don't. They like to muddy up the LOS pre-snap. Mug those gaps. They haven't faced a D of Miami's quality???? Really??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, njbuff said: They haven't faced a D of Miami's quality???? Really??? Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. 1 1 1 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, Richard Noggin said: Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. Their pass defense is rather awful. 31st in DVOA. 💩 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Just now, Richard Noggin said: Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. The Ravens lit them up and NE has the worst O in the NFL. Not an impress barometer, but you have your opinion. I just simply think the Dolphins D is trash and I would be surprised if Allen puts under 40 on them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, njbuff said: They haven't faced a D of Miami's quality???? Really??? People just look at how good the defensive depth chart is it seems and they don’t really consider individual matchups. At full strength Miami maybe has a chance to play man against us which is what they prefer to do but I think they’ve got nik needham or igbinoghene replacing Byron jones and they aren’t very good. On top of that Howard isn’t 100% healthy Their linebackers aren’t particularly good either; the strength of that defense is the secondary and they are missing an important piece of that. Any given Sunday and all that but this current Miami defense is considerably worse than the titans and rams defenses we’ve faced Edited September 24, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. They gave up 35 points in 3 quarters to the Ravens, a team that struggled with the Jets D. The Dolphins D is garbage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. The 2021 dolphins defense was pretty good,they were middle of the road in yards and points allowed. They’re very boom or bust because they like to play man coverage without a lot of safety help and if they can win their matchups they do great but if they can’t they get torched. they literally can’t play man coverage with the guys they have healthy now though against a team with a lot of potential receiving threats. That’s pretty much their whole defensive identity so they are going to struggle for awhile. they had two matchups against teams without a lot of weapons at the wr position and haven’t looked great in either game. Edited September 24, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Logic said: Their pass defense is rather awful. 31st in DVOA. 💩 I think they play man which Allen eats up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said: Yes, really. We're talking about 2022, now. The Dolphins defense is pretty good. 25th ranked pass defense They've played the Patriots and the Ravens 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think they play man which Allen eats up. They played man about 25% of the time against the ****Pats and about 74% of the time against the Ravens. I don't think they have the players to play a lot of man against the Bills, particularly if Davis is close to healthy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: They played man about 25% of the time against the ****Pats and about 74% of the time against the Ravens. I don't think they have the players to play a lot of man against the Bills, particularly if Davis is close to healthy. Good info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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