Allen's frequent running

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

I think Josh will run a little less moving forward UNLESS an opportunity certainly presents itself.  I felt he was trying to prove a point to his new teammates (ie: Von and the rookies) about what he is willing to do win a game; especially being the first game and a big game at that.

[starrymessenger]

Allen took just over 200 hits last year and it looks like he’s not letting up. In the Sims interview he mentioned how he felt the physical toll of his style of play, after games and after the season. Cam was never as good a player as Allen (even at his best) but he was every bit the physical specimen Allen is and Cam broke down at 30. So longevity is the issue here.

Allen should and deserves to enjoy a long career because he does all of the QB things at a high level both in terms of execution and football smarts. Thing is his running the ball, both designed runs and even more when plays break down would be a huge asset to give up - important third down conversions and some game breakers, and with regularity. He’s young and he’s strong so maybe it’s ok if he does this for a handful of years and then tapers off. 
The only thing you worry about  is injury and here like others I don’t think he’s cautious enuf. Does he really have to truck that linebacker?

[JoshAllin]

The last few runs without sliding was painful to watch

[The Wiz]

48 minutes ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

I think Josh will run a little less moving forward UNLESS an opportunity certainly presents itself.  I felt he was trying to prove a point to his new teammates (ie: Von and the rookies) about what he is willing to do win a game; especially being the first game and a big game at that.

Couldn't have said it better.  Tells the new guys "this is what I will do to win a game, what will you do?"

[mannc]

19 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I agree with those that say he shouldn't be running when the game is in hand. I don't even want him throwing in that situation, just run out the clock and get Allen off the field ASAP. But I don't understand the fans that want us to run him less in general. His legs are part of what make him special. There's risk involved on every play that Allen holds the ball and it isn't actually more likely that he'll get injured while scrambling than while standing in the pocket. So I want him to run as much as he deems necessary to win the game.

Justin Herbert is an interesting comparison.  He's comparable to Josh physically and in terms of running ability, but he runs the ball much less frequently.  I suspect that's the Chargers' decision, not Herbert's, which means they've made a conscious decision to limit that part of his game, presumably to reduce his injury risk.  It may also be that Herbert's just less inclined to run because when he did it at U of O, he got injured.  

[Old Coot]

The Rams got some good licks on Josh.  I'll bet he's feeling it today.

 

Over the season those hits add up and can shorten a player's career.

 

I hope the reason for running Josh so much was to give opponent's defensive coordinators nightmares.

 

Hopefully we dial Josh's running back ober the season.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

5 hours ago, zow2 said:

Even though this was game #1 of a long season, the magnitude was huge.  It was like they had to prove to themselves they are a legit SB team.  And Josh running around like that was playoff-esque.  I would hope he and the coaches scale it back going forward.  Just no reason to absorb unnecessary contact.  Every sports show on TV today was talking about it.  Slide, go out of bounds, throw the ball into the ground, etc,,  I think we will see more of that going forward, and then in the playoffs he will unleash the running Josh again.

Even beyond making a statement it was a huge game.  The first half of the schedule is loaded with tough matchups and beating the rams gives us a lot more margin of error. Now we’ve got a win and a mini bye week to prepare for the titans and get to 2-0.  Getting to 4-2 or even 5-1 at the bye would be great cuz after a tough game against gb the schedule cools off a lot in the back half.

[AuntieEm]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

The guy is just a different animal at the position and he really looks invincible… but he’s not and all ll it really takes is one hit on one with one of these designed runs to knock him out cold or seriously injury him…. I’m with you but I don’t think Allen can really shut that aspect of his game off. 

 

   Yea. I'm gonna take Allen at his word he just loves to play the game and that part of the game he seems to motivate him and certainly you see a little extra effort from many of our players and that's a result of Allen's style.  Injuries can happen at any time even doing just everyday things.  I'll take a Josh Allen who is having a blast playing his way over a cautious timid Allen who's hesitancy could cause him to be too slow to avoid a harder hit and injured on a play he routinely avoids by his athleticism.

 

[LeGOATski]

2 hours ago, 1997WS6 said:

Running backs are done at 30 years old.  Brady is still going at 45.

There are also plenty of pocket QBs who don't last nearly as long as Brady. Look at the Manning's. Look at Matt Ryan winding down now at only 37.

 

Allen will still be able to throw the ball. He's not just a RB playing QB. Like I said, everything Allen ran was calculated and he was never in an awkward position. The awkward, scarier hits he's taken in the past have come when a play is breaking down or he's trying to avoid sacks. Think the Joey Bosa tackle. QBs get hurt in the pocket.

 

I don't see Allen's career being affected much by normal tackles. As long as he's smart about it, he can run plenty.

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

That was a scary hit IMO.  But doesn't that sort of counter the complaint about Allen running too much and taking a beating, since that particular hit took place when Allen was in the pocket?

 

I actually had the thought that maybe Allen came out in the 2nd half and said "I got sacked and hit in the first half, Imma run away from that big *****a Donald now, the DBs hurt less when they hit"

 

I think with Allen it's easy to think the highlighted...........and totally forget that sometimes a QB actually needs to give up on plays and throw the ball away and avoid hits ALTOGETHER.

 

Giving up on a play that's not working is not even an option in Allen's mind right now because he knows if he runs the ball around 10x per game..........they will score 30+ points and probably not even have to punt the ball.

 

But the defense gave up just 10 points.

 

The game is not played "on paper" so you can't count on the defense always allowing under 20 points...........but it's important to remember that the defense is the more heavily invested side of the football..........they shouldn't need to be carried on Allen's back for 17 regular season games.    

 

I thought McDermott made a very insightful comment when he was asked about Allen's running and implied that Dorsey needs to call plays that don't encourage Allen to run.    This was exactly what I was suggesting earlier in this thread.........when you call plays that make it tempting to tuck and run then you are asking for him to do it.   When you are trying to protect Allen from his own competitive nature you have to call plays accordingly.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

6 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Weird that this happened when he was in the pocket as a passer...

 

 

Not weird at all.   He tried to get away from and get positive yardage when there was little to be gained and ended up taking a very violent hit.

 

Like I said to @Beck Water..........sometimes the objective needs to be to not take hits AT ALL.............it's not an inevitability that Allen gets hit like that just because he's playing QB.    Tom Brady has gone entire seasons without taking a single hit that violent.  

[JGMcD2]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Not weird at all.   He tried to get away from and get positive yardage when there was little to be gained and ended up taking a very violent hit.

 

Like I said to @Beck Water..........sometimes the objective needs to be to not take hits AT ALL.............it's not an inevitability that Allen gets hit like that just because he's playing QB.    Tom Brady has gone entire seasons without taking a single hit that violent.  

So what did you want him to do in that situation? 

[Playoffs?]

I agree with OP.  Football injuries…. It’s not an if, but a when.  Best way to stay upright is to avoid contact, which is not part of Josh’s DNA.  
 

My other, less popular concern is that Josh is embarrassing defenders… stiff-arming, juking, laughing, etc. Don’t get me wrong, I love it!!!   But worried that soon, some knucklehead is gonna get p!ssed and intentionally go low on him.  At the level Josh and the team are playing, the only way to knock off the Bills is to knock out JA17… If Bountygate was still a thing (I pray it’s not), I feel like Josh would’ve been the ultimate prize.

 

Regardless, this dude is just such a stud. He is the most exciting player in the NFL, and I don’t think there is a close second. 

[Playoffs?]

4 hours ago, blacklabel said:

I don't get as concerned as many others do. The dude is 6'5" 250 lbs, he's bigger than all DBs and most LBs. Just listen to some defenders about him. Darius Leonard said he hit the dude with everything he had and he got ran over anyway. Joey Bosa during a game was like "What am I supposed to do, let him run me over? He's f@$#in' huge!" I mean yeah I'd rather he not get walloped by DL as big as he is but that's part of the game and he knows how and when to protect himself. 

 

I also find it kind of odd that nearly every time Josh takes off for a run there has to be chatter about "oh he needs to be careful, he could get hurt, coach won't like that one!" Yet when Lamar Jackson is out there racking up 125 yards on the ground every game everyone's just, "Wow what an amazing player he is, the running is such a big part of his game!" I mean for cripes sake the Ravens redesigned their entire offense because of his running ability. I'm sure they're concerned about injury as well but it seems like you never hear much about that. But noted Monstar Josh Allen trucks over a 5'10" 185 lb DB and it's yappidy yap from 37 talking heads about how he needs to be careful. 

I think the difference in how Lamar runs vs Josh, is that Lamar is slippery.  Seems that he’s usually (not always) pretty good at avoiding the big hits. Vick did it well too. 
 

Josh loves the contact and everyone knows it. He wants to run you over. I get pumped when he stiff arms someone through the turf… but I also get pretty pumped when he runs OB or slides!

[Billsatlastin2018]

[Donuts and Doritos]

6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Why do people keep saying this?? 
 

We played in SF in 2020… don’t recall if fans were allowed in stands that game though. 

 They weren't.

 

Josh's girlfriend said he had 200+ friends & family there last night. Glad he was motivated, just want him to be careful.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 minutes ago, Donuts and Doritos said:

 They weren't.

 

Josh's girlfriend said he had 200+ friends & family there last night. Glad he was motivated, just want him to be careful.

I wonder when they get married. They’ve been together like 10 years. What could he possibly be waiting for? 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I wonder when they get married. They’ve been together like 10 years. What could he possibly be waiting for? 

 

For her to propose. 

[JMM]

It's not just the running,  it's the continued refusing to slide and run out of bounds. He keeps saying I will, then doesn't. He has got to stop seeking contact. 

[Believer]

Good thread… Good discussion…

 

It is up to McDermott… He is the Coach… He set a goal for the team when he came to Buffalo… just like Von Miller and others… To win a Super Bowl…

 

Pegula and Beane gave him the tools… and the team, the organization and fans are all in… The goal is in sight this year…

 

Fact is, McDermott needs to protect his most important franchise player…

 

Coach needs to sit Dorsey and Allen down and make them appreciate if Allen gets hurt, will be much more difficult for the Bills to reach their goal…

 

Dorsey and Allen need to respect the goal, the organization, the team, and the fans… Play to win every game… whatever it takes… Do their jobs…And do them smart… 

[Big Turk]

This is his 5th year here...pretty sure we should all already know how he is going to play the game. No surprises how Allen is going to run. Not sure why this is a surprise.

Edited September 10, 2022 by Big Turk

[Jerome007]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

He took a pretty good beating yesterday.   Fortunately he was well off the ground when Donald sacked him and his neck snapped back.    I think it's going to be hard to get him to stop running if they keep him in the shotgun all the time though.

That's called getting sacked. It wasn't about him running...

 

Yes I was too hot when I saw him run like a madman 3 TD ahead but it was obvious it was HIS call. Not even a RPO. A pass that wasn't open. For the rest, the biggest hits he took were in the pocket.  He mainly ran in the 3rd quarter, to win. Not like it was called from play #1.

52 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I wonder when they get married. They’ve been together like 10 years. What could he possibly be waiting for? 

Why would he want to risk half of his assets? They are already a happy couple. Inviting the State as a 3rd partner is a wise choice in 2022? This ain't our grandparents' kind of marriage anymore.

[JoshAllin]

Just slide, right? 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by motorj

[The Firebaugh Kid]

It's bugging all of us. He's got to be more cautious about it 

[muppy]

53 minutes ago, Believer said:

Good thread… Good discussion…

 

It is up to McDermott… He is the Coach… He set a goal for the team when he came to Buffalo… just like Von Miller and others… To win a Super Bowl…

 

Pegula and Beane gave him the tools… and the team, the organization and fans are all in… The goal is in sight this year…

 

Fact is, McDermott needs to protect his most important franchise player…

 

Coach needs to sit Dorsey and Allen down and make them appreciate if Allen gets hurt, will be much more difficult for the Bills to reach their goal…

 

Dorsey and Allen need to respect the goal, the organization, the team, and the fans… Play to win every game… whatever it takes… Do their jobs…And do them smart… 

I think this post about covers all the bases. It makes perfect common sense. 

 

On the one hand. Josh has said he realized he needs to be a smart QB and make decisions that will help the team Win. Period.  More common sense. All we fanbase are saying is okay #17 you made your point . You are 100% baller in all aspects.  Just don't put your body on the line  if at all possible Please. MORE Common sense.

 

We need you healthy. 

 

To the bolded I say that is Deep. I take "do their jobs" as a mandate of professionalism and Excellence. Smartness is a given None of these guys are mental slouches 🙂

 

Whatever it takes? On premise Yes I think I know what you mean.  . but the thought gave me pause like hmmm ..anyway

 great talk. GO BILLS!~!~!!!

 

m

Edited September 10, 2022 by muppy

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:

So what did you want him to do in that situation? 

 

Get down?   Not try to break a tackle there when there is virtually no chance of escaping and avoiding getting clocked in the process?

 

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I think with Allen it's easy to think the highlighted...........and totally forget that sometimes a QB actually needs to give up on plays and throw the ball away and avoid hits ALTOGETHER.

 

The consensus seemed to be last season, that Allen had started to throw the ball away instead of trying to win every down.

 

He didn't last night, of course, but he was doing something that is a new development for him and as or more important - he threw the checkdown, or he took the short pass, and he threw it promptly when the receiver still has some space to make some yards.

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

I thought McDermott made a very insightful comment when he was asked about Allen's running and implied that Dorsey needs to call plays that don't encourage Allen to run.    This was exactly what I was suggesting earlier in this thread.........when you call plays that make it tempting to tuck and run then you are asking for him to do it.   When you are trying to protect Allen from his own competitive nature you have to call plays accordingly.

 

It's hard to disagree with your last two sentences, of course.

 

In the Friday interview, McDermott's comment was to the effect that it was a "Waggle Pass", the receiver was covered, so there was no option but for Josh to run, and that's something as coaches they can do better.  I didn't take it as a call-out against challenging Josh's competitive nature, but simply avoiding plays at that point in the game where by design there are two options, and if the receiver is covered a run by Josh is the only other choice.

 

Were those comments made in the post-game presser?  I just listened again, and didn't hear.  I know Steve Tasker made a huge point in the post game show exactly as you state, that maybe the RPOs (where Josh reads the conflict defender and chooses an option) shouldn't be called at that point of the game.

 

Josh definitely had his adrenaline up at the end of the game, and his lips said "the best ability is availability, get down, get out of bounds" but his behavior didn't align with those words.

11 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Get down?   Not try to break a tackle there when there is virtually no chance of escaping and avoiding getting clocked in the process?

 

I'm not quite sure we're watching the same play?  I thought Josh tried evade and step up, but there was no pocket to step into.  It was a jailbreak, bang-bang play, not one of those where Josh tries to run out of trouble.

[Artful Dodger]

1 hour ago, JMM said:

It's not just the running,  it's the continued refusing to slide and run out of bounds. He keeps saying I will, then doesn't. He has got to stop seeking contact. 

 

Everyone needs a hobby. Some people collect stamps, some people watch football games.  Allen's hobby is running through and over linebackers and defensive backs.

[JMM]

29 minutes ago, Artful Dodger said:

 

Everyone needs a hobby. Some people collect stamps, some people watch football games.  Allen's hobby is running through and over linebackers and defensive backs.

Yes but those hobbies don't get you broken ribs or a dislocated shoulder. 

[Malazan]

14 hours ago, Success said:

Apologies if there is already a thread on this - I checked and didn't see anything. And was surprised, because I thought this would be a hot topic today.

 

I loved the game last night, and Allen is one of the best players I've seen.  That's not hyperbole. He can do literally everything out there.

 

But he's running too much.  It can't be stated more simply than that.  The Bills can have a long run with JA at QB, but only if he's on the field.  He's such a good passer - I was really hoping the new OC would change our usage of Allen somewhat, and cut down on designed runs and putting him in the thick of things up the middle.

 

I don't think it's sustainable. Thoughts?

 

Actually, studies show that QBs that run the least and QBs that run the most are the least injured. 

 

Really good breakdown here: https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

[QCity]

14 hours ago, Success said:

Apologies if there is already a thread on this - I checked and didn't see anything. And was surprised, because I thought this would be a hot topic today.

 

I loved the game last night, and Allen is one of the best players I've seen.  That's not hyperbole. He can do literally everything out there.

 

But he's running too much.  It can't be stated more simply than that.  The Bills can have a long run with JA at QB, but only if he's on the field.  He's such a good passer - I was really hoping the new OC would change our usage of Allen somewhat, and cut down on designed runs and putting him in the thick of things up the middle.

 

I don't think it's sustainable. Thoughts?

 

It's not sustainable, history has shown that. Running QB's don't last. Hell, even running backs don't last in this league anymore.

[Malazan]

3 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

It's not sustainable, history has shown that. Running QB's don't last. Hell, even running backs don't last in this league anymore.

 

What history has shown this? Please name the QBs you are talking about. 

 

Randall Cunningham: 15 seasons

Mike Vick: 13 seasons

Steve Young: 15 seasons

Kordell Stewart: 9 seasons

Donovan McNabb: 13 seasons

John Elway: 16 seasons

Steve McNair: 13 seasons 

 

Almost every commonly cited rushing quarterback used as an example to avoid running had their most significant injury happen in the pocket or on a fluke play(like RGIII who got injured recovering a fumble). 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Malazan

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

It's not sustainable, history has shown that. Running QB's don't last. Hell, even running backs don't last in this league anymore.

The most rushing attempts he’s ever had.. was 122 in a 17 game season 

 

Good for 7 attempts a game which is not a heavy workload … Not to mention running backs go head on into defensive tackles a lot

 

Josh is a master scrambler who gets outside the tackle box the majority and goes against smaller players 

 

Josh is the size of Travis Kelce.. Not a running back

 

[John from Riverside]

15 hours ago, Success said:

Apologies if there is already a thread on this - I checked and didn't see anything. And was surprised, because I thought this would be a hot topic today.

 

I loved the game last night, and Allen is one of the best players I've seen.  That's not hyperbole. He can do literally everything out there.

 

But he's running too much.  It can't be stated more simply than that.  The Bills can have a long run with JA at QB, but only if he's on the field.  He's such a good passer - I was really hoping the new OC would change our usage of Allen somewhat, and cut down on designed runs and putting him in the thick of things up the middle.

 

I don't think it's sustainable. Thoughts?

Josh Allen has literally been doing this his whole football career the only problem with the fact that he runs a lot is that it’s not really a sustainable way of winning a championship we need to get everyone involved in order to have a balanced office and win we need a running game for the running backs actually gain more yards than the quarterback Josh Allen has come along way in that area but more needs to be done but I saw in Thursday’s game was as soon as motor stop carrying the ball the level of productivity of the running backs went immediately down motor needs it more or we need a better back behind him Which I believe should still be cook even though he fumbled the ball when his only carry

[QCity]

7 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

What history has shown this? Please name the QBs you are talking about. 

 

Randall Cunningham: 15 seasons

Mike Vick: 13 seasons

Steve Young: 15 seasons

Kordell Stewart: 9 seasons

Donovan McNabb: 13 seasons

John Elway: 16 seasons

Steve McNair: 13 seasons 

 

Almost every commonly cited rushing quarterback used as an example to avoid running had their most significant injury happen in the pocket or on a fluke play(like RGIII who got injured recovering a fumble). 

 

Randall Cunningham blew out his ACL in like his 5th year. He was washed up after that. You trying to claim him playing the next 10 years as a gimped backup is a pretty disingenuous argument, but I'll play along.

 

Mike Vick simply wasn't a good passer to begin with, he might be one of the most overrated QB's to ever play the game. Are you telling me when you look at Mike Vick's stats you see 13 years of success??

 

Steve Young wasn't a running QB. There were no designed runs off-tackle for Steve Young. He didn't run sweeps or options. He rolled out and scrambled to buy time and if defenses gave him space, he took it. He played essentially the same game Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson play today.

 

Kordell Stewart you cannot be serious 🤣

 

Donovan McNabb broke his ankle in like his 4th or 5th year IIRC. After that he didn't run anymore, and once that aspect of his game was gone, he didn't have an arm that could win games without running.

 

John Elway see Steve Young

 

Steve McNair see Kordell Stewart

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

Weird that this happened when he was in the pocket as a passer...

 

 

Yeah, weird like the fact that his Wyoming clavicle break came on a scramble, that his 2018 AC joint injury came on a pass rush and his 2019 concussion came on a run. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jabxf8lGjfo

 

That's two of his three major injuries coming on runs when he has far fewer runs than he does passes.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

So, I was at a music festival wearing a 17 jersey and the "go Bills" fist bumps (from strangers in SW Virginia and elsewhere) were flowing...and i confidently said, It's over.  We're doing it this year.  And then I worried about Allen getting hurt.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Malazan said:

 

Actually, studies show that QBs that run the least and QBs that run the most are the least injured. 

 

Really good breakdown here: https://www.filmstudybaltimore.com/new-study-quarterbacks-that-run-most-are-not-injured-most/

 

 

 

It's a breakdown whose assumptions and methods make it kind of questionable. She treats games missed as her unit of study, but by her assumptions, guys like Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III didn't miss all that many games.

 

She didn't look at what caused injuries. And she didn't look (nor could you, really, but it's the absolute main point) of how shortened the careers of guys like Griffin III and Cam Newton have been.

 

That's two guys out of a group of 12 QBs with the highest run percentages.

[Malazan]

28 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

Randall Cunningham blew out his ACL in like his 5th year. He was washed up after that. You trying to claim him playing the next 10 years as a gimped backup is a pretty disingenuous argument, but I'll play along.

 

Mike Vick simply wasn't a good passer to begin with, he might be one of the most overrated QB's to ever play the game. Are you telling me when you look at Mike Vick's stats you see 13 years of success??

 

Steve Young wasn't a running QB. There were no designed runs off-tackle for Steve Young. He didn't run sweeps or options. He rolled out and scrambled to buy time and if defenses gave him space, he took it. He played essentially the same game Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson play today.

 

Kordell Stewart you cannot be serious 🤣

 

Donovan McNabb broke his ankle in like his 4th or 5th year IIRC. After that he didn't run anymore, and once that aspect of his game was gone, he didn't have an arm that could win games without running.

 

John Elway see Steve Young

 

Steve McNair see Kordell Stewart

 

I see you are quite misinformed and are trying top use several points that are either strawman or random flailing. 

 

Cunningham's injury came on a sack, not a run. 

 

What does Vick's ability as a passer have to do with injury? 

 

Steve Young is considered a 'mobile' or 'running' QB by everyone. He had more Rush yards than Josh did in 2019 or 2020. Would you like many, many differnt resources that consider him a 'running' QB? He had 5 seasons with over 400 rushing yards. It was also a different era. RPOs weren't nearly as prevalent. 

 

Your assertion that Kordell Stewart was a pocket passer is certainly a unique take. 

 

Donovan McNabb's broken ankle was on a sack. 

 

I'll concede on Elway. He only had roughly 50 attempts a season and ~250 yards. 

 

Again, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone describe Steve McNair as a pocket passer. 

 

 

QBs that ran less than 5.5% of plays missed 8.5% of their games. QBs that ran more than 12% of the time missed 9.5% of their games. QBs that ran 5.5% to 12% of the time missed ~11.5% of their games. 

 

You can see injury rates on types on plays:

 

Knockdowns: 1 injury every 57.1 plays (90 total injuries on 5,135 plays for a 1.8% injury rate)

Sacks: 1 injury every 75.1 plays (52 total injuries on 3,903 for a 1.3% injury rate)

Scrambles: 1 injury every 106.7 plays (23 total injuries on 2,455 plays for a 0.9% injury rate)

Designed runs: 1 injury for every 174.2 plays (11 total injuries on 1,916 plays for an 0.6% injury rate)

(John Verros, the injury coordinator at Sports Info Solutions)

 

I'm curious if you have any information beyond your feelings. 

7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

It's a breakdown whose assumptions and methods make it kind of questionable. She treats games missed as her unit of study, but by her assumptions, guys like Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III didn't miss all that many games.

 

She didn't look at what caused injuries. And she didn't look (nor could you, really, but it's the absolute main point) of how shortened the careers of guys like Griffin III and Cam Newton have been.

 

That's two guys out of a group of 12 QBs with the highest run percentages.

 

I'm not sure you got through the whole thing.. You can see above for more information.

 

As I mentioned, RGIII suffered that injury that is attributed to the decline in his play in a non-contact injury recovering a fumble. 

 

Cam Newton suffered the first injury that people attribute with a decline in his play (shoulder) attempting a tackle after an interception. His foot injury came evading a sack.

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Malazan

[QCity]

5 minutes ago, Malazan said:

 

I'm curious if you have any information beyond your feelings. 

 

 

I'm curious if you can name a running QB that had a long career.