Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[BullBuchanan]

6 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

That’s the question. What does the SDPD have and what facts do they have? Anything that supports all this stuff over the media? If not…..

What does "the media" have to do with it? There hasn't been anything said in reports fromt he media that I've seen that wasn't presented directly by the victim's lawyer.

To me, the biggest part is that the university buried/covered up this story., and my question is did the police help them?

if it is determined there was a coverup here, I would sure if I were the Bills

[Hermes]

9 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The media is to blame. 

 

Even after Beane cut him, they were going after him. The media even sent the females out to ask questions.

 

"Why now?" "Why not cut him in July?"

 

The subtext being "do you hate women?" "Why didn't you immediately believe the accuser?" "Why didn't you immediately assume he was guilty?" 

 

Sleazy sleazy sleazy. They're all desperate for a purpose and to APPEAR intrepid. 

 

If the media is so ethical and fearless why won't anybody ask the Bills why La Nova Pizza owned by the HEAD OF THE BUFFALO MAFIA CRIME FAMILY is licensed to sell food at the stadium. It's a rhetorical question. It's because they're phonies. Let's listen to Wawrow put his betters on the judgement chair instead. 

 

Exactly. Its why Beane said how many times it's to give Matt space to work things out. I wouldn't rule out the Bills bringing him back after the dust settles if he's cleared of any wrongdoing. 

[Bermuda Triangle]

13 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

That’s the part that is most confusing for me.

 

If you are suing someone civilly, it is for money.

 

The actions of the alleged victims attorney helped accelerate Araiza’s release from his source of income.

 

I wonder if he fully thought this through.

Neither of these attorneys seems particularly sharp.

[CEN-CAL17]

7 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

What does "the media" have to do with it? There hasn't been anything said in reports fromt he media that I've seen that wasn't presented directly by the victim's lawyer.

To me, the biggest part is that the university buried/covered up this story., and my question is did the police help them?

I agree. If that’s true. The media being, everything you’re seeing on the media. The pictures, the journal entries etc…. What if the police have no evidence of any of that? Those pictures could be from 4 months ago, the journal entries could have been written last week… my point is, if the police have no record of any of that (cause she went the next day)…. Is it really evidence?

 

Only the police report and the police evidence are going to help this case, her case.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2022 by CEN-CAL17

[4merper4mer]

16 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Beane made clear Araiza’s story has not altered at any point. More may come out via a civil or criminal case which reveals he has but, for now, neither said they were lied to by him.

They can’t explicitly say he lied.  That would be opening them up to lawsuits initiated by Araiza.  He may have left things out…..they may have found out he lied from newly revealed facts…..lots of stuff.  

[london_bills]

6 minutes ago, Hermes said:

 

Exactly. Its why Beane said how many times it's to give Matt space to work things out. I wouldn't rule out the Bills bringing him back after the dust settles if he's cleared of any wrongdoing. 

I probably would rule it out. It is unfortunate if he's cleared but I think they don't bring him back.

[billsfan1959]

29 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm curious as to your take about how the actual filing of the civil suit changed the dynamics?

 

 

 

When you go from accusations / allegations to actually having a civil suit filed or criminal charges brought, the situation has drastically changed. I’m not sure why I should have to explain that. I would think it would be self evident.

[Old Coot]

Another thread says that the Bills have released Araiza.

 

End of discussion.

 

Onto the regular season.

[Since1981]

Glad cut. Can you imagine Thu Night Football in 12 days press questions yelled at Josh Allen?!? cluster. 

 

You posters “claiming innocent until proven guilty”? Sure, maybe he left the house early, but he consent fooled with 17 yr.  He is TOXIC now. Sorry, dude.

BYE BYE

[jkirchofer]

34 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The media is to blame. 

 

Even after Beane cut him, they were going after him. The media even sent the females out to ask questions.

 

"Why now?" "Why not cut him in July?"

 

The subtext being "do you hate women?" "Why didn't you immediately believe the accuser?" "Why didn't you immediately assume he was guilty?" 

 

Sleazy sleazy sleazy. They're all desperate for a purpose and to APPEAR intrepid. 

 

If the media is so ethical and fearless why won't anybody ask the Bills why La Nova Pizza owned by the HEAD OF THE BUFFALO MAFIA CRIME FAMILY is licensed to sell food at the stadium. It's a rhetorical question. It's because they're phonies. Let's listen to Wawrow put his betters on the judgement chair instead. 

You have some serious goddamn issues with women. Check your entitlement and priveldge and that toxic as hell attitude.

[Boatdrinks]

46 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The media is to blame. 

 

Even after Beane cut him, they were going after him. The media even sent the females out to ask questions.

 

"Why now?" "Why not cut him in July?"

 

The subtext being "do you hate women?" "Why didn't you immediately believe the accuser?" "Why didn't you immediately assume he was guilty?" 

 

Sleazy sleazy sleazy. They're all desperate for a purpose and to APPEAR intrepid. 

 

If the media is so ethical and fearless why won't anybody ask the Bills why La Nova Pizza owned by the HEAD OF THE BUFFALO MAFIA CRIME FAMILY is licensed to sell food at the stadium. It's a rhetorical question. It's because they're phonies. Let's listen to Wawrow put his betters on the judgement chair instead. 

Not sure about the LaNova stuff, but good overall take. 

[ToGoGo]

11 minutes ago, jkirchofer said:

You have some serious goddamn issues with women. Check your entitlement and priveldge and that toxic as hell attitude.

 

The difference between me and you is that I don't need to tell everyone I love the women in my life. 

 

Stop projecting your deep seated misogyny onto me. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm curious as to your take about how the actual filing of the civil suit changed the dynamics?

 

 

 

Theres an assumption by posters that the news article is the first they’re hearing of this. I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that the girls attorney made no mention of police reports, pictures, rape kits, time lines.

 

The Bills attorney spoke with him. Everything in the LAT article would have been discussed with the team. 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

 

If the media is so ethical and fearless why won't anybody ask the Bills why La Nova Pizza owned by the HEAD OF THE BUFFALO MAFIA CRIME FAMILY is licensed to sell food at the stadium. It's a rhetorical question. It's because they're phonies. Let's listen to Wawrow put his betters on the judgement chair instead. 

Really? Where did you hear that?

[Forlorn hope]

57 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The media is to blame. 

 

Even after Beane cut him, they were going after him. The media even sent the females out to ask questions.

 

"Why now?" "Why not cut him in July?"

 

The subtext being "do you hate women?" "Why didn't you immediately believe the accuser?" "Why didn't you immediately assume he was guilty?" 

 

Sleazy sleazy sleazy. They're all desperate for a purpose and to APPEAR intrepid. 

 

If the media is so ethical and fearless why won't anybody ask the Bills why La Nova Pizza owned by the HEAD OF THE BUFFALO MAFIA CRIME FAMILY is licensed to sell food at the stadium. It's a rhetorical question. It's because they're phonies. Let's listen to Wawrow put his betters on the judgement chair instead. 

 

 

It's called a struggle session. It's typical within the usual politics of Marxists/ Marxism

 

At the end of the day arazia was a massive legal liability once the civil suit was filed 48 hours ago. I thought the organization was competent and acted like a 1st rate organization by waiting until this became an actual legal issue before they could make a sound rational decision. 

 

The question toward the end where the reporter asked " why wasn't the victims word enough?" It was truly astonishing how stupid that question is and what it implies. As if beane is the manager at McDonald's and some better call Saul lawyer calls and says x,y ,z and then beane without any official legal framework ( criminal or civil) should just start firing people.

 

It's very disturbing that people in supposed educated positions are this stupid and or sensational.

 

We're onto los Angeles

 

Go bills!

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The media is to blame. 

 

Even after Beane cut him, they were going after him. The media even sent the females out to ask questions.

 

"Why now?" "Why not cut him in July?"

 

The subtext being "do you hate women?" "Why didn't you immediately believe the accuser?" "Why didn't you immediately assume he was guilty?" 

 

Sleazy sleazy sleazy. They're all desperate for a purpose and to APPEAR intrepid. 

 

If the media is so ethical and fearless why won't anybody ask the Bills why La Nova Pizza owned by the HEAD OF THE BUFFALO MAFIA CRIME FAMILY is licensed to sell food at the stadium. It's a rhetorical question. It's because they're phonies. Let's listen to Wawrow put his betters on the judgement chair instead. 

 

[Wayne Arnold]

2 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

 

It's called a struggle session. It's typical within the usual politics of Marxists/ Marxism

 

[Forlorn hope]

I'm curious how this decision to part with arazia so quickly effects the optics of the Watson case...

 

 

[Draconator]

5 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

I'm curious how this decision to part with arazia so quickly effects the optics of the Watson case...

 

 

Different organizations, different leadership, different cultures. We know who is professional and who hires sexual deviants just to win. 

[CountDorkula]

So just so I’m clear, female media members and Marxism are to blame for Matt Araiza being released. 
 

seems reasonable enough 

[billsfan1959]

28 minutes ago, Mango said:

Theres an assumption by posters that the news article is the first they’re hearing of this. I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that the girls attorney made no mention of police reports, pictures, rape kits, time lines.

 

The Bills attorney spoke with him. Everything in the LAT article would have been discussed with the team. 

So, your correcting assumptions by other posters with assumptions of your own?

[ToGoGo]

35 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

 

Let's talk about it. 

[Forlorn hope]

6 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

So just so I’m clear, female media members and Marxism are to blame for Matt Araiza being released. 
 

seems reasonable enough 

Matt arazia was released because 48 hours ago he became a legal liability. How and when a corporate body weighs what legal vulnerabilities are acceptable depends on a multitude of factors. 

 

Yes some of the journalist questions were from a political persuasion and extremely stupid and or sensational in trying to create institutionalized momenteum against due process ( from a legal standpoint and cultural standpoint.)

 

It's been discussed ad nauseam this is already gaining traction in university in order to create less individual rights and civil rights in order for a centralized state to accuse you of anything and everything without being able to create legal recourse. Think tanks, university, media have all centered on this. This is the whole point of " believe all women" saga. 

 

So when a crisis like this happens, as Marxists revolutionaries always do, they don't let it go to waste. 

 

These ppl don't look at it as a human issue or search for the Truth. It's how can I take advantage of this crisis to create political power. The ends justify the means

 

 

[Draconator]

Amazing that Arazia took the crown of most talked about player from Edmonds and Ertz. 

[Forlorn hope]

1 minute ago, Draconator said:

Amazing that Arazia took the crown of most talked about player from Edmonds and Ertz. 

At least Edmunds has better instincts in this case 😂

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Forlorn hope said:

At least Edmunds has better instincts in this case 😂

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

When you go from accusations / allegations to actually having a civil suit filed or criminal charges brought, the situation has drastically changed. I’m not sure why I should have to explain that. I would think it would be self evident.

 

Fair enough.  Once the lawsuit is in the public domain, it will draw a lot of public scrutiny and public reaction, which must be dealt with.  In addition, the player will have the distraction of needing to prepare his defense.

 

Counterpoint: when the plaintiff's lawyer calls on July 30 and informs you he's preparing a civil suit that will name Araiza among others in the gang rape of a 17 year old girl, does it really take a lot of imagination to see that public scrutiny, public reaction, and distraction for the player are hurtling down the pike?  Beane said they only had "the boulders" after the lawyer's phone call to DeAngelo, but not the details.

Yet the LA Times published the following as part of a story on the case July 29th: 

Quote

The young woman’s experience has continued to haunt her.

She arrived at the Halloween party dressed as a fairy. She had already been drinking with her friends, she said, when she met a San Diego State football player at the house just blocks from campus. The player gave her a drink and eventually led her inside the house to a bedroom where she said several of his teammates took turns sexually assaulting her, slamming her down on a bed and ripping out her piercings.

Covered in blood, she found her friends outside after what she believed to be more than an hour.

“I was just raped,” she told them.

The next day, with bruises across her neck and down her legs, she filed a report with San Diego police and underwent a rape exam at Rady Children’s Hospital. The arduous process lasted through the night as her body was swabbed and she was tested for pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

Photos provided to The Times by her attorney, Dan Gilleon, show dark bruises across her neck, and on her knee and calf. One photo shows blood on part of her costume. Gilleon said he is preparing a lawsuit that would include names of known suspects.

That article, which any "thorough examination" or investigation should have uncovered (ie Google) maps a lot of details onto those boulders, including the accusation that the player may have been an accessory to, if not involved, in the gang rape of a minor and the information that there's a police investigation underway:

Quote

In a June letter to de la Torre, Assistant Chief of Police Paul Connelly said police had conducted interviews, executed search warrants and were evaluating more than 2 terabytes of data.

The lawyer also does not seem shy about distributing photos of his client and her journal, so I wouldn't bet that they didn't get sent to the Bills.

 

Once the lawyer tells you one of the players named will be Matt Araiza, I don't think you have to have a great imagination to see that the above is going to be a giant PR fiasco if it goes down and the player is still on the Bills roster.

 

So from the POV of the Bills organization internally, what was the drastic change? 

[SCBills]

This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play?   That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. 
 

Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against?   Genuine question?… is that normal?

 

 

[Forlorn hope]

44 minutes ago, Mango said:

Theres an assumption by posters that the news article is the first they’re hearing of this. I could be wrong, but I cannot imagine that the girls attorney made no mention of police reports, pictures, rape kits, time lines.

 

The Bills attorney spoke with him. Everything in the LAT article would have been discussed with the team. 

The victims attorney  withheld information for obvious reasons. I think it was a matter of holding cards until later. The bills representation probably knew this and decided if it becomes a real legal issue we will do x y or z. 

[CountDorkula]

5 minutes ago, Forlorn hope said:

Matt arazia was released because 48 hours ago he became a legal liability. How and when a corporate body weighs what legal vulnerabilities are acceptable depends on a multitude of factors. 

 

Yes some of the journalist questions were from a political persuasion and extremely stupid and or sensational in trying to create institutionalized momenteum against due process ( from a legal standpoint and cultural standpoint.)

 

It's been discussed ad nauseam this is already gaining traction in university in order to create less individual rights and civil rights in order for a centralized state to accuse you of anything and everything without being able to create legal recourse. Think tanks, university, media have all centered on this. This is the whole point of " believe all women" saga. 

 

So when a crisis like this happens, as Marxists revolutionaries always do, they don't let it go to waste. 

 

These ppl don't look at it as a human issue or search for the Truth. It's how can I take advantage of this crisis to create political power. The ends justify the means

 

 

{insert Billy Madison clip} 

[Forlorn hope]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play?   That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. 
 

Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against?   Genuine question?… is that normal?

 

 

It really does read like better call Saul. God I hope that girl gets competent legal counsel 

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Fair enough.  Once the lawsuit is in the public domain, it will draw a lot of public scrutiny and public reaction, which must be dealt with.  In addition, the player will have the distraction of needing to prepare his defense.

 

Counterpoint: when the plaintiff's lawyer calls on July 30 and informs you he's preparing a civil suit that will name Araiza among others in the gang rape of a 17 year old girl, does it really take a lot of imagination to see that public scrutiny, public reaction, and distraction for the player are hurtling down the pike?  Beane said they only had "the boulders" after the lawyer's phone call to DeAngelo, but not the details.

Yet the LA Times published the following as part of a story on the case July 29th: 

That article, which any "thorough examination" or investigation should have uncovered (ie Google) maps a lot of details onto those boulders, including the accusation that the player may have been an accessory to, if not involved, in the gang rape of a minor and the information that there's a police investigation underway:

The lawyer also does not seem shy about distributing photos of his client and her journal, so I wouldn't bet that they didn't get sent to the Bills.

 

Once the lawyer tells you one of the players named will be Matt Araiza, I don't think you have to have a great imagination to see that the above is going to be a giant PR fiasco if it goes down and the player is still on the Bills roster.

 

So from the POV of the Bills organization internally, what was the drastic change? 

 

I'm guessing there's at least a possibility that the Bills thought it would be settled. 

 

Once the law suit and as filed and all of the details emerged, they took a prudent 48 hours to determine the best course of action. 

 

Nothing about this is great. But they got to the best possible solution given the set of circumstances. 

 

 

 

[Warcodered]

4 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play?   That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. 
 

Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against?   Genuine question?… is that normal?

 

 

 

[ToGoGo]

47 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Really? Where did you hear that?

 

The US Department of Justice. It's not a secret. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_crime_family

 

"According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the current boss of the Buffalo crime family is Joseph A. "Big Joe" Todaro Jr., having assumed the role after his father, Joseph E. "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro Sr., retired"

[Forlorn hope]

6 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

 

The US Department of Justice. It's not a secret. 

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffalo_crime_family

 

"According to the U.S. Department of Justice, the current boss of the Buffalo crime family is Joseph A. "Big Joe" Todaro Jr., having assumed the role after his father, Joseph E. "Lead Pipe Joe" Todaro Sr., retired"

Most above ground institutions/ businesses have underground muscle.  It's life

[BananaB]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play?   That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. 
 

Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against?   Genuine question?… is that normal?

 

 

What could the Bills do besides offer money to keep this quiet? They have the fattest pockets

 

An apology and a donation would of done that as well. WTF

Edited August 28, 2022 by BananaB

[Draconator]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

This lawyer is such a POS… what tf is he even talking about?… Say sorry and make a donation and his parents could sit the stands and watch him play?   That doesn’t sound at all like a reasonable compromise for someone you allege was involved in the violent rape of your client. 
 

Do all lawyers like this come across like they have a personal vendetta against the person they file a lawsuit against?   Genuine question?… is that normal?

 

 

She really needs to fire his ass if she truly wants justice.

[Bangarang]

Who had the best career as a Bill: Matt Araiza or Antonio Brown?

[Forlorn hope]

7 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Who had the best career as a Bill: Matt Araiza or Antonio Brown?

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Is the lawyer really coming after the buffalo bills? 

 

Was that his actual goal the whole time?

 

In his statement the first sentence is aimed at the team