Matt Araiza accused of rape, served with a lawsuit.

[ExiledInIllinois]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Nope, Debunk Fail.  🚨  Your article is using "male" as an adjective - "male golfer". 

The issue here is using "female" or "male" as a noun, as in "You know what females are like in those situations"

Female what?  Female kangaroos?  Female referees?  Female tennis players?  Female humans?  Oh wait there's a word for that.

 

Your article, after using "male" as an adjective to modify the noun "golfer", goes on to refer to them as "men".

 

Read more carefully and Better Luck Next Time.

[StHustle]

6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Dude.  Please attach a filter of some sort.  Nobody needs to read your thoughts on women’s preferences and I’m pretty sure your request for information from female posters will go unanswered.

 Didn’t request that I was saying I wouldn’t comment on things I don’t know. And what I stated was totally relevant to this thread since people tried to say bruising proved it was rape. How about you stfu and block me if you can’t handle real talk. This is a discussion about rape and sex. Exit stage right if your eyes hurt reading reality.

[SCBills]

Just now, ddaryl said:

Witch burnings, midievel stonings... innocent till proven guilty is here based off those past atrocities

Progressivism is regression in disguise.

 

We’re going backwards as a society. 

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, CSBill said:

 

While emotionally I do not want to agree with you, my logical brain says yes. No punter is worth the potential level of distraction this could be--even if he is proven innocent (but that will take time, and time is not his or the Bills ally right now).

 

 

 

 

what do you think is going to happen.. All of the sudden the Bill will forget how to play football baecause of this. 

[TN Bills Fan]

The first negative feeling I've had about this team in a long time.  Hopefully not true and resolved quickly.  If true I will have a hard time being a Bills fan.

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, Logic said:

Gross. The accusations against Araiza are truly vile.

"He kicks the ball real far!" is not justification for rostering a player who potentially violently raped a woman for 90 minutes.

Prioritizing a handful of extra special teams yards in a football game over the health of a victimized human being and the LAW...is really gross. Don't know any other way to say it.

Let it play out. 

[hemma]

I wonder if the typical rookie NFL contract includes any language about ‘full disclosure’.

Regardless of eventual outcome, the fact that he didn’t lay this all out to the Bills months ago, does not lead me to trust him.

[UKBillFan]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

Gross. The accusations against Araiza are truly vile.

"He kicks the ball real far!" is not justification for rostering a player who potentially violently raped a woman for 90 minutes.

Prioritizing a handful of extra special teams yards in a football game over the health of a victimized human being and the LAW...is really gross. Don't know any other way to say it.

An alleged victim of Araiza’s. He has not been found guilty of anything to date.

[SirAndrew]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

Because that’s all we can go on. Otherwise we would be under mob rule where people with pitchforks who is guilty and innocent with perhaps very little evidence to prove it.

That’s not what we want, but I think people should be less judgmental as whole in that case. I’m not encouraging any type of “mob”, I just think it’s naive to believe there aren’t plenty of guilty people walking the streets, while people can be put away on the same level of accusations. It’s a matter of circumstances in many cases. He said/she said things are very sticky, and there’s a fine line between guilt and innocence. If you’re never going to judge the “innocent” when all signs look really bad, you probably shouldn’t judge the guilty too harshly either. I’ll leave it at that, I know this is more of a personal belief thing from things I’ve witnessed. Your points are all valid .

[Logic]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Let it play out. 

I'm curious: did you feel the same way about the Deshaun Watson situation?

[Beck Water]

58 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

the ol' its partially her fault she got raped. Good job

 

*sigh*

 

This is something girl parents get to wrestle with in today's world: how to tell your party-age child that it's not her fault if something horrible happens without her consent, but it *is* her responsibility to own her choices and take actions to minimize the chances.

 

Those talks just suck.  It turns out to be a very fine line between responsibility owning, and victim blaming.

[Motorin']

Just now, hemma said:

I wonder if the typical rookie NFL contract includes any language about ‘full disclosure’.

Regardless of eventual outcome, the fact that he didn’t lay this all out to the Bills months ago, does not lead me to trust him.

 

I'm in the same boat. But still waiting to know exactly what he told the Bills and when.

[ddaryl]

Just now, SCBills said:

Progressivism is regression in disguise.

 

We’re going backwards as a society. 

this has nothing to do with progressivenism and you know it.

 

Grind that ax somewhere's else

[BullBuchanan]

6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:

A big distraction and PR nightmare for the Bills - does not equal national shame. For that try invading a country based on a lie and killing 500,000 innocent people. As for me I do not condone rape culture, but I also don’t condone cancel culture.
 

I’m assuming our team had time to consider the impact of this allegation coming out in the media. I’m assuming they presume Ariaza’s version of events are truthful; non-involvement in a gang rape. 
 

I presume the Bills have a plan B. As of right now their thinking must be IF Araiza is not criminally charged then retain him.

You are entitled to disagree - I may disagree too. Bills FO and coaches have two choices and for now appear to be backing the punter. This does not make the Bills a national shame. 

 

What part of this is "cancel culture"? The shame is being foisted upon the Bills whether or not they are willing to accept it. You can choose whether or not you're embarrassed, but you don't get to decide whether or not you're an embarrassment. The simple fact is, the Bills welcomed this massive distraction and neagtive publicity when they didn't cut ties the moment they knew.

If they had, no one would have blamed them. Now? If Araiza turns out to be guilty, they're completely complicit. Even if it can't be proven that he isn't, it still may taint the entire season. Imagine turning into the Super Bowl with the Bills looking to win their first championship and the talk of the town is how their punter is an alleged rapist?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Jane Doe’s lawyer posting personal conversations and the victim’s diary, which seems very suspect and forced, all over Twitter is such a scumbag thing. 
 

He’s acting like a complete clown. 

 

Yeah I'm pretty skeptical here of Araiza even on just the possible sex with a minor...but this lawyer seems like a total clown

[UKBillFan]

Just now, SirAndrew said:

That’s not what we want, but I think people should be less judgmental as whole in that case. I’m not encouraging any type of “mob”, I just think it’s naive to believe there aren’t plenty of guilty people walking the streets, while people can be put away on the same level of accusations. It’s a matter of circumstances in many cases. He said/she said things are very sticky, and there’s a fine line between guilt and innocence. If you’re never going to judge the “innocent” when all signs look really bad, you probably shouldn’t judge the guilty too harshly either. I’ll leave it at that, I know this is more of a personal belief thing from things I’ve witnessed. Your points are all valid .

I understand what you mean - an outcome in court is always on the basis of probability off the back of the evidence even, in criminal cases, it should be beyond all doubt. But guilty people have no doubt walked free ad innocent people have definitely spent time behind bars. Or even executed.

[GolfandBills]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I'm curious: did you feel the same way about the Deshaun Watson situation?

The two are not even remotely similar 

[4merper4mer]

1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

Are people outraged and threatening to boycott the Bills over Kim's medical records? Of course not. Weird comparison.

 

If you're a professional sports franchise willing to keep an accused rapist, you'd better be ready to explain why. Otherwise you look dumb at best.

Shirley

 

Check the Kim Pegula thread on this board and count how many people are adamant that the Bills owe the fans full disclosure.  It’s very similar.  
 

I’ll agree that Araiza’s issues eventually need to be explained by the Bills but your 12 hour standard based on Twitter is simply incorrect and if teams adhered to this every time someone demanded it, the world would get even crazier.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, TN Bills Fan said:

The first negative feeling I've had about this team in a long time.  Hopefully not true and resolved quickly.  If true I will have a hard time being a Bills fan.

I find this hard to understand.. 
 

I know we joke about their obsession with core special teamers, but do Bills fans actually look at this coaching staff, McDermott and Beane.. the Pegula’s.. and think they are so obsessed with teams that they would roster a punter who they aren’t 100% sold on being innocent of what he’s accused when it involves f***ing gang rape off the heels of Deshaun Watson!?

[hondo in seattle]

10 minutes ago, Logic said:

109 pages in 17 hours. Gotta be a TSW record.

This one's going to be hard to ever definitively prove one way or the other, as rape accusations of this nature often are.

The question, then, is do the Bills want to stand by Araiza, weather the firestorm of criticism and distraction and the hit to their reputation? Or, instead, do they figure that a punter isn't worth the headaches this matter is about to cause?

Even if one removes moral and ethical implications and looks at the matter strictly from a cynical, practical point of view, it seems to me that a rookie punter is NOT worth the headaches this matter is about to cause. Further, I would say that who is punting for the Bills will likely have very little impact on their Super Bowl chances over the next five years.

Cut him, sign a mediocre, boring veteran, and move on. Set a precedent. Be better than the Browns and the Commanders of the world. Be better.

 

For a guy called "Logic," I find it odd that you've created a false binary choice.  I don't want the Bills to "stand by Araiza" nor do I want them to ditch the guy because he's not worth the headache.  Both options you present are noxious.  I want the Bills to investigate the matter and then do the right thing.

 

It's flat out morally, ethically wrong to pull a Brian Banks on Araiza and crap on him because of a false accusation.  But if the accusation turns out to be true, the right thing to do is cut him.  At this point it doesn't seem the Bills - or police - know enough to make an informed decision based on the preponderance of evidence.  

[CorkScrewHill]

1 minute ago, TN Bills Fan said:

The first negative feeling I've had about this team in a long time.  Hopefully not true and resolved quickly.  If true I will have a hard time being a Bills fan.

If it is confirmed true they will cut him super fast. They are just waiting to see which is a reasonable response. As an example if you were a member of their Administration i would think they would not fire you if you were a solid employee and somebody made an allegation about you until more facts were known that showed you were guilty

[Logic]

Just now, GolfandBills said:

The two are not even remotely similar 

You're right.

Watson was never accused of participating in a violent gang rape for 90 minutes.

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

I'm curious: did you feel the same way about the Deshaun Watson situation?

 

 

Once  there were numerous civil suits from 20 + woman in which he settled,  I no longer believed he may be innocent. But up till then I was on the fence. Have to wait for facts

[Tanoros]

17 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Immediately released.

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Anyone can make an accusation. 
If guilty, he deserves punishment, but he deserves a chance to defend himself, as we all do. 

[BarleyNY]

21 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

And yet Beane didn’t take the easy route out which I kind of respect him for - as long as his judgement is proved correct. He’s put a lot in the investigation undertaken by the Bills.

Or he didn’t have all of the information he has now.

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

this has nothing to do with progressivenism and you know it.

 

Grind that ax somewhere's else

Sure, although I’m quite certain there’s ideological alignment between the two.. and you also know it. 

[quinnearlysghost88]

35 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 but there are witnesses she was telling people she was going to college....  so how is a person supposed to know... nobody asks for ID here.

If he knew and committed the offense then yes he is guilty, but if he going by info she fed him then...

 

if he unwittingly commited statutory rape based upon info known at the time , then I'm not going to hold that against Matt. If he knew then yes he deserves what he gets

She wrote in her journal the day after the incident that she told him she went to high school. 

[LeGOATski]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

You're right.

Watson was never accused of participating in a violent gang rape for 90 minutes.

I was totally the same about the Watson case. By the time it played out, there was a ton of victim accounts, a pattern, a court ruling, etc.

[HamSandwhich]

25 minutes ago, jkirchofer said:

Man, some the responses on this board are abhorrent to say the least. Some of you say he is innocent until proven guilty then proceed to drag the accuser through the mud using some very sexist, misogynistic, and down right terrible comments possible. I am dissapointed. And I am dissapointed with the Bills organization.

I see buzz word salad in your comments! Well done

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Logic said:

I'm curious: did you feel the same way about the Deshaun Watson situation?

Watson can be punished under the CBA. Why are you believing just one side of the story? 

 

The League can't touch Araiza. The Bills knew about this and it appears they are backing his innocence. Let it play out. Watson's complaint played out.

[zow2]

as much as the kid looks like a great punter, a punter is not going to be the difference of the bills winning or losing the Super Bowl this season. 

Whatever punishment he deserves should be handed down and let’s move on.

[ddaryl]

Just now, SCBills said:

Sure, although I’m quite certain there’s ideological alignment between the two.. and you also know it. 

No I do not... I see the other side is just as unaccomodating. I mean the non progressive are pulling books from libraries, like the Diary of Ann Frank 

This is a multi facetted problem with our 24 hr news cycle designed to enrage all of us

[cv05]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but check this interview out at 1:07:00 of McDermott from a few days ago:

 

 

 

"...He's a great kid" This is all after the Bills are said to know about it. I think the Bills knew before the draft (i.e. 3rd punter selected (why?), discussions online of it back in December). The Bills just don't actually care. He'll bomb a couple 80 yarders tonight and McDermott and company will sleep well.

[jkirchofer]

Just now, HamSandwhich said:

I see buzz word salad in your comments! Well done

How else would you describe it?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, Tanoros said:

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Anyone can make an accusation. 
If guilty, he deserves punishment, but he deserves a chance to defend himself, as we all do. 

The Buffalo Bills aren’t the justice system. They have no obligation to wait. They’ll act based on what’s best for the organization.

[Captain Caveman]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I find this hard to understand.. 
 

I know we joke about their obsession with core special teamers, but do Bills fans actually look at this coaching staff, McDermott and Beane.. the Pegula’s.. and think they are so obsessed with teams that they would roster a punter who they aren’t 100% sold on being innocent of what he’s accused when it involves f***ing gang rape off the heels of Deshaun Watson!?

I wouldn't have thought that yesterday morning.  But based on the details out there right now it sure looks like I was wrong.

[BullBuchanan]

4 minutes ago, Tanoros said:

In this country we are innocent until proven guilty. Anyone can make an accusation. 
If guilty, he deserves punishment, but he deserves a chance to defend himself, as we all do. 

Why do people have such a hard time understanding the difference between laws of the state and the practice of private industry when it comes to things like rights? He has no right to be treated as "innocent" by his employer (or us for that matter) until someone proves that he's guilty. His behavior has negatively impacted the franchise. That's reason enough for termination.

Edited August 26, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[ExiledInIllinois]

2 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

She wrote in her journal the day after the incident that she told him she went to high school. 

How would they authenticate that?  Just curious? 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

She wrote in her journal the day after the incident that she told him she went to high school. 

It’ll only matter what witnesses say. 

[pocoboy]

15 minutes ago, Mango said:

Total speculation here. 

I think the Bills thought 2 things: 

1. Araiza would have settled to not be named in the civil suit. 

2. They had assurance from SDPD that they would be protecting Araiza (10 months without the results of a rape kit? Come on). The Bills aren't caught off guard from the events. They're caught off guard that this Araiza's camp didn't make this go away. 

 

None of this has anything to do with the franchises belief that Araiza was guilty or innocent. And everything to do with this never coming a distraction. 

 

Yes and all of this plays straight with Mr. Greaseball Lawyer doing a Twitter dump trying to get the Buffalo media to order up the public square flogging.