The Dean Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I love that a division rival is looking to get rid of one of their most talented players for a bag of peanuts and a roll of tape They just ponied up a buttload of cash for several guys that are on the downside of their careers (see Hill, Tyreke), but don't want to give a second contract to a homegrown stud player just because he doesn't seem to fit what your new Boy Wonder coach wants to do? SMFH - Mike McDaniel is already turning into Adam Gase 2.0 and I for one, couldn't be happier Where did you hear/read the Fins are looking to essentially giving him away? They could be asking for something a bit more substantial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, goober said: Maybe, but I've heard he's a good blocker at least. He's not a good blocker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stranded in Boston Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 30 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said: Interesting roster management though. They franchised tagged him and now want to trade him. 😁 Didn't we also do that with Peerless Price years ago? It seemed like a good idea at the time, LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, MJS said: He only shows up against Buffalo. He disappears in too many other games. If I showed you a randomized list of Gesicki's receivng YPG you would not pick out his games against Buffalo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigantall Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, nucci said: don't want to sign him to a new deal They gave all the money 💰 to hill and want everyone else to accept scraps 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Morris, a 2021 undrafted free agent out of Bowling Green, boasts a 77.8 PFF grade through two preseason games. He has good size at 6-foot-2, 252 pounds and ran a 4.66-second 40-yard dash last spring. Sweeney has earned a 73.0 mark, while Howard has garnered a 59.6 grade and has played more preseason snaps than Morris and Sweeney. The Bills would save $2.25 million if they traded or released Howard. If they cut him we eat 3.25 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/oj-howard-21760/ Probably can't trade him I don't hear anyone talking about Sweeney or Morris being solid blockers.... That's what we're looking for in TE#2 Also take PFF with a grain of salt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 So PFF doesn't know what they're talking about. I guess that's not a big surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, ddaryl said: If they cut him we eat 3.25 million. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/oj-howard-21760/ Probably can't trade him I don't hear anyone talking about Sweeney or Morris being solid blockers.... That's what we're looking for in TE#2 Also take PFF with a grain of salt... So to keep him its 2.875 cap hit, to cut him its 3.25+Morris 705. So it becomes about a 4m cap hit for morris essentially. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 7 minutes ago, The Dean said: Where did you hear/read the Fins are looking to essentially giving him away? They could be asking for something a bit more substantial. Well, let me ask the question a different way - what do you think an opposing team is going to give them for a guy playing on an expiring $10M contract less than 3 weeks before the season opener. Is someone opening up a good amount of cap space to bring him in? The Bills did extremely well to get a 5th round pick for Cody Ford. If the Dolphins got even a 4th for Gesicki, I'd be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Nittany Lion, just say NO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Gesicki has said he is essentially learning a new position this year, referencing having to block versus just previously being more of a big receiver. So given blocking isn't something he excels at, it's not a surprise they are open to trading a TE making $10M that can't play the posit ion the way the offense is designed for him to play. It also would not surprise me to see OJ Howard cut by the Bills on our way to the final 53. What was once an exciting free agent signing to pair his athleticism with Josh Allen and this offense, is now seemingly having the worst camp of all the TE's and appears behind both Morris and Sweeney. Bills save over $2M cutting him too, so Howard may have to really turn it on here and fast if he is going to survive final cut downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Asking a primarily receiving TE to block isn't going to work. It would be almost like asking a DT to play OLB in a 3-4 defense....luckily this franchise has never done anything like that. Blocking is a skill that can be learned and improved, like most everything else. But usually when a player is franchise tagged it's because he's seen as "Truth" at his position, an indispensable man - not because he has a fundamental gap in positional skills that will limit how you plan to use him. It would be like franchise tagging a CB who has spent his career playing press man coverage, then expecting him to focus on learning to play off-ball. Can he learn and improve, Sure. But you're not getting the ROI on the franchise tag. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 The Dolphins are crazy to trade that guy to any team. The Dolphins are always purging the roster of the best players. I would never support that team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, Alphadawg7 said: It also would not surprise me to see OJ Howard cut by the Bills on our way to the final 53. What was once an exciting free agent signing to pair his athleticism with Josh Allen and this offense, is now seemingly having the worst camp of all the TE's and appears behind both Morris and Sweeney. Bills save over $2M cutting him too, so Howard may have to really turn it on here and fast if he is going to survive final cut downs. One more time. The Bills will save NOTHING if they cut Howard, because his $3.25M contract is fully guaranteed. In fact, it will cost them $0.625M to cut him because he has a void year tacked on to his fully guaranteed 1 year contract 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Gesicki has said he is essentially learning a new position this year, referencing having to block versus just previously being more of a big receiver. So given blocking isn't something he excels at, it's not a surprise they are open to trading a TE making $10M that can't play the posit ion the way the offense is designed for him to play. It also would not surprise me to see OJ Howard cut by the Bills on our way to the final 53. What was once an exciting free agent signing to pair his athleticism with Josh Allen and this offense, is now seemingly having the worst camp of all the TE's and appears behind both Morris and Sweeney. Bills save over $2M cutting him too, so Howard may have to really turn it on here and fast if he is going to survive final cut downs. I wouldn't mind trying to develop him as a blocker next year, but it's a little late now, not that Miami would trade with us. Edited August 24, 2022 by Warcodered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: Well, let me ask the question a different way - what do you think an opposing team is going to give them for a guy playing on an expiring $10M contract less than 3 weeks before the season opener. Is someone opening up a good amount of cap space to bring him in? The Bills did extremely well to get a 5th round pick for Cody Ford. If the Dolphins got even a 4th for Gesicki, I'd be surprised So you're simply assuming. Gotcha. Let me ask you this question. If they are only asking for a 6th or 7th for him, wouldn't you expect the deal to be done already? I'm assuming it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 44 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Yeah but here’s the question-can he block??? This reminds me of this scene from Not Another Teen Movie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think Gesicki is a fine player, but if he doesn't fit their needs, why TF did they franchise tag him? Or, if they decided to franchise tag him, why didn't they "tag and trade" early in FA when teams had money and roster space, and could spend the off season teaching a new guy their playbook and working him in? I could be wrong, but I kind of think their trade market for a guy with a 1 yr, $10.9M fully guaranteed deal is gonna be a bit limited at this point. No clue why they franchised him. I suppose they didn’t completely know what they were getting (or letting go). New staff that never coached him before. Maybe they thought they could coach him up and didn’t want to give up on such a nice target before they spent some time with him rather than just watching tape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Then why did they franchise tag him? I don't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, The Dean said: So you're simply assuming. Gotcha. Let me ask you this question. If they are only asking for a 6th or 7th for him, wouldn't you expect the deal to be done already? I'm assuming it would. I'm willing to guess there's some significant distance between what the Dolphins would like to get and any (more realistic) offers that they have so far received Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 He won’t want to be a #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: No clue why they franchised him. I suppose they didn’t completely know what they were getting (or letting go). New staff that never coached him before. Maybe they thought they could coach him up and didn’t want to give up on such a nice target before they spent some time with him rather than just watching tape I tought I read Gesicki wanted to be traded. Is that not the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said: He won’t want to be a #2. Doesn’t matter what he wants, the Dolphins don’t want him as our #2 which is why he won’t be playing for the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: I'm willing to guess there's some significant distance between what the Dolphins would like to get and any (more realistic) offers that they have so far received Probably why he still on the trading block. But I don't consider anything 5th round or better "a bag of peanuts and a roll of tape". I think they might get a 4th...which is a pretty valuable draft pick, IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 56 minutes ago, StHustle said: No way they’d trade him to us…but man imagine adding TE of his caliber!! I mean, he's a talent but he's pretty much one-dimensional as a WR. And we have plenty of WRs, AND a TE who can be a receiving threat and actually block. I'm glad to see Miami could move him since he has been the toughest player on that team against the Bills, but I'm not excited to get him here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Dean said: I tought I read Gesicki wanted to be traded. Is that not the case? I didn’t think that was the case, but I could be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 As much as I’d love the idea of OBJ, if we had this guy to have a significant 12 personnnel and drop the Howard option would be great. The nice thing is TE’s as weapons cost a lot less than WRs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DJB said: Props to the poster that called this a few days ago. Please announce yourself as well for a complimentary back rub "You rang?" Edited August 24, 2022 by Gugny 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 So you're saying that Mike Ertz might be available. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 45 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think Gesicki is a fine player, but if he doesn't fit their needs, why TF did they franchise tag him? Or, if they decided to franchise tag him, why didn't they "tag and trade" early in FA when teams had money and roster space, and could spend the off season teaching a new guy their playbook and working him in? I could be wrong, but I kind of think their trade market for a guy with a 1 yr, $10.9M fully guaranteed deal is gonna be a bit limited at this point. There is no rhyme or reason to why a team as poorly managed as the Dolphins does anything. Trying to figure it out is futile. They may have tagged him in order to buy time to work out a long term deal, and then talks have gone south, and Gesicki doesnt like the new offense, so here we are. Or some combo of bullcrap like that going on behind the scenes. It's Miami. All I know is, I love to see it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 If you want a tight end who is really not a tight end but a skilled big receiver, just play Hodgins. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I mean, he's a talent but he's pretty much one-dimensional as a WR. And we have plenty of WRs, AND a TE who can be a receiving threat and actually block. I'm glad to see Miami could move him since he has been the toughest player on that team against the Bills, but I'm not excited to get him here. You sound silly man. The guy is 6’6” 250 and has great hands. We don’t need him to block when in there. We’d be completely unstoppable in the red zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Shaq Lawson & a #3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 hour ago, StHustle said: No way they’d trade him to us…but man imagine adding TE of his caliber!! Trade him OJ Howard back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said: As much as I’d love the idea of OBJ, if we had this guy to have a significant 12 personnnel and drop the Howard option would be great. The nice thing is TE’s as weapons cost a lot less than WRs. I wonder if Gesicki is doing a Jimmy Graham and pushing to be paid like a WR since he plays more of that role? Probably looking for something closer to $20M/yr than $10M/yr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, machine gun kelly said: As much as I’d love the idea of OBJ, if we had this guy to have a significant 12 personnnel and drop the Howard option would be great. The nice thing is TE’s as weapons cost a lot less than WRs. 12 personel kind of requires the ability to block, otherwise you're telegraphing whats going to happen with a TE who is a liability in that dept. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, StHustle said: You sound silly man. The guy is 6’6” 250 and has great hands. We don’t need him to block when in there. We’d be completely unstoppable in the red zone. Why waste that money when we already have Gabe Davis and Dawson Knox on rookie contracts? I get it, Gesicki is a talent. But he isnt a need. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: I didn’t think that was the case, but I could be wrong. Same here. I thought I read it somewhere but can't find it now. Something about him not being happy with the coaching staff/how he's being used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Charles Romes said: If you want a tight end who is really not a tight end but a skilled big receiver, just play Hodgins. Hodgins is 3 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter. Not only that Hodgins plays smaller than his size. No comparison. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, StHustle said: You sound silly man. The guy is 6’6” 250 and has great hands. We don’t need him to block when in there. We’d be completely unstoppable in the red zone. what you talking about Willis. if we are going to run 12 personell formations you have to have competent blockers at the TE position.. Also we ain't spending $10 mil on a TE that's not named Knox Edited August 24, 2022 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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