Deshaun Watson to be suspended 11 games via settlement

[Milanos Milano]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

A lifetime ban for predatory sexual behavior of a non-violent kind? I don’t know if that’d be fair. I agree with the counseling and the suspension, though the fine could definitely be more given his salary. 

Americans vs Europeans or the rest of the worlds view on sex is a lot different. Sex dungeons, live club sex, legal prostitution, and other non violent sexual acts are a lot more culturally acceptable there. 
Not saying what Watson did was a good thing, but it’s amazing to travel the world and see how much people would just generally shrug at this. 

[gordong]

Not enough for the scumbag. Hope the chat remains for this sick *&*K

Edited August 18, 2022 by gordong

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Americans vs Europeans or the rest of the worlds view on sex is a lot different. Sex dungeons, live club sex, legal prostitution, and other non violent sexual acts are a lot more culturally acceptable there. 
Not saying what Watson did was a good thing, but it’s amazing to travel the world and see how much people would just generally shrug at this. 

I don't go to a barber looking for a HJ.  Nor would I go to a massage for one.  As an American, I have no problem with the things you listed but let's not act like he was scheduling these appointments like he was scheduling a prostitute. 

Edited August 18, 2022 by The Wiz

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

I hope the counseling is real and not just some dude paid a lot of money to put a check in a box that Watson showed up.

I agree with this completely. Until he admits this is a problem, and ultimately realizes the impact of his actions, he will remain a damaged human being, and a predator.  

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, The Wiz said:

I don't go to a barber looking for a HJ.  Nor would I go to a massage for one.  As an American, I have no problem with the things you listed but let's not act like he was scheduling these appointments like he was scheduling a prostitute. 

Yes, as an American, but go to Vietnam or most other places and you will get that and more customarily. Not saying Watson isn’t scummy, but it’s amazing how much different this is when you talk all over the world. 

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Sex dungeons, live club sex, legal prostitution, and other non violent sexual acts are a lot more culturally acceptable there. 

 

Are they consensual?

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, Sestak4ever said:

I truly believe that he will never live this down and will not be able to handle it mentally. Every road game will be a gauntlet. I would not be surprised if his career plummeted and the Browns are stuck with that contract.

 

Thats a possibility, and the one I will be rooting for as he is a total POS. But there is the other possibility where he is such a POS that it doesn't bother him but motivates and fuels him.  I mean he has already demonstrated some big character flaws in his predatory actions followed by a lack of remorse or even responsibility.  

 

My honest opinion, I think its the latter.  One he is incredibly talented and now going to be playing on a much more talented roster, so that will help him some right there.  Second, how cold he has been throughout this makes me think he is just a POS and won't give a damn about the fans getting on him during road games and will instead revel in throwing it in their faces on the field.  He just strikes me as that kind of POS.  

 

But I hope you are right, it is certainly what he deserves to have happen.  

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Are they consensual?

Sometimes no. You get random people pleasuring themselves, but it’s a live sex place so you kind of just have to ignore it. I’ve had conversations with Vietnamese women and they says non consensual actions get flaunted all the time. Generally low assault like flashing, but rarely anything forceful. 

Edited August 18, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Beast]

2 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Is anyone really surprised at this? I'm not.

 

I am but you are 100 percent right. I shouldn't be.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Sometimes no. You get random people pleasuring themselves, but it’s a live sex place so you kind of just have to ignore it. I’ve had conversations with Vietnamese women and they says non consensual actions get flaunted all the time. Generally low assault like flashing, but never anything forceful. 

 

So you're not referring to nonconsensual sexual contact, or anything that has any bearing or relation to the issue at hand.

Maybe you'd be wise to just step away from this one. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

2 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't go to a barber looking for a HJ.  Nor would I go to a massage for one.  As an American, I have no problem with the things you listed but let's not act like he was scheduling these appointments like he was scheduling a prostitute. 

Nor do I suspect these women came to work expecting to be coerced into performing a sexual act. Whether he intimidated them physically, intimidated them as employer, and therefore in a position to impact their careers, or convinced them to take more money, he intimidated them do something against their original will. 

[teef]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Sometimes no. You get random people pleasuring themselves, but it’s a live sex place so you kind of just have to ignore it. I’ve had conversations with Vietnamese women and they says non consensual actions get flaunted all the time. Generally low assault like flashing, but rarely anything forceful. 

this is a shocking level of detail...and i'm kinda gross.

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Sometimes no. You get random people pleasuring themselves, but it’s a live sex place so you kind of just have to ignore it. I’ve had conversations with Vietnamese women and they says non consensual actions get flaunted all the time. Generally low assault like flashing, but rarely anything forceful. 

How on earth is a 'live sex place' in any way related to what Watson did?

[machine gun kelly]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

I was actually kind of hoping he’d play @Buffalo.   I think our defense would absolutely tee off against him.   Plus the home crowd would have been even more raucous than usual for that one.

You’re right.  He’s just a disposable human being and my feeling are more about thinking o those girls. At the end of the day, football is entertainment.  Abusing women in anyway is just wrong!

 

I'm jaded by those feelings.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, teef said:

and i'm kinda gross.

 

Oh c'mon, you're not thaaaaaat bad.....

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

So you're not referring to nonconsensual sexual contact, or anything that has any bearing or relation to the issue at hand.

Maybe you'd be wise to just step away from this one. 

 

It depends on what Watson did. I don’t know the precise actions he did. But most of what Watson did is extremely common in the rest of the world. It’s not morally right for most Americans or ourselves, but you would be surprised at how prevalent it is in massage parlors. 

[Jauronimo]

TIL, Europe leads the world in sexual experimentation and Watson is very cultured.

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

this is a shocking level of detail...and i'm kinda gross.

It is gross, but that’s the unfortunate reality of the legality/morality issues around the world and what is “acceptable behavior. People should talk about it, because life happens and these are hard things to talk about but that’s the nature of the world. 

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

How on earth is a 'live sex place' in any way related to what Watson did?

Sexual deviancy is a very complex issue. Have you actually listened to any psychological analysis on it before? 

[Simon]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

 

It depends on what Watson did. I don’t know the precise actions he did. But most of what Watson did is extremely common in the rest of the world. It’s not morally right for most Americans or ourselves, but you would be surprised at how prevalent it is in massage parlors. 

 

He wasn't in a f'ing massage parlor; he coerced innocent professional women into nonconsensual sexual acts.

You are utterly clueless and tone deaf on this subject and I am done wasting time interacting with you.

The last thing I will tell you is that if you continue down this road, it is not likely to end well for you.

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

Sexual deviancy is a very complex issue. Have you actually listened to any psychological analysis on it before? 

No but I feel like I'm about to

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

He wasn't in a f'ing massage parlor; he coerced innocent professional women into nonconsensual sexual acts.

You are utterly clueless and tone deaf on this subject and I am done wasting time interacting with you.

The last thing I will tell you is that if you continue down this road, it is not likely to end well for you.

 

What happens in any massage sessions whether sexual or not should very obviously be agreed on by both parties before hand in any circumstance. But even more so if you're someone like a franchise QB and tried to pursue things in a gray area, not that I'm saying that's what he did, it could be blown out of proportions. Whole thing was gross predatory and stupid.

[Scott7975]

59 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

It would be an utter disaster for the NFL if the Browns manage to win enough games while he is out to where the sneak in the playoffs and go on a run in the playoffs and win the SB.  
 

And regardless of what we think of Watson as a person, he was a top 5 QB before the scandals.  Browns still have a loaded roster, this isn’t as far fetched as people might think, especially if he’s playing with a chip on his shoulder.  
 

I mean, it would be worst case scenario for the NFL, so I’m stunned they agreed to just 11 games allowing this to even be a possibility.  If the Browns are near .500 they can easily make the playoffs still, and with a roster that talented they can still win 5 to 6 games in those 11 games he’s out.  Then there are all 3 to 4 games down the stretch they should win and a few tough games.  It wouldn’t be that hard for these guys to go 9-8 or 10-7 and sneak into the playoffs.  
 

This is way too little for what he did, should have been a full season.  

 

After preseason I dont think he is allowed to practice or even be at the facilities.  I dont think this scenario has a chance in hell to happen.

[RoyBatty is alive]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

 

It depends on what Watson did. I don’t know the precise actions he did. But most of what Watson did is extremely common in the rest of the world. It’s not morally right for most Americans or ourselves, but you would be surprised at how prevalent it is in massage parlors. 

Well he wasn't outside of the US so your point is moot unless you are trying to express how well travelled/erudite you are.

[DrDawkinstein]

5 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

TIL, Europe leads the world in sexual experimentation and Watson is very cultured.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He wasn't in a f'ing massage parlor; he coerced innocent professional women into nonconsensual sexual acts.

You are utterly clueless and tone deaf on this subject and I am done wasting time interacting with you.

The last thing I will tell you is that if you continue down this road, it is not likely to end well for you.

 

 

it's more than this subject.

[Warcodered]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

After preseason I dont think he is allowed to practice or even be at the facilities.  I dont think this scenario has a chance in hell to happen.

Right they've got to prep and run an offense for Jacoby Brissette for the first 11 games and then suddenly shift if for Watson for the last 6...good luck with that.

[RiotAct]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well he wasn't outside of the US so your point is moot unless you are trying to express how well travelled/erudite you are.

and even if he was… it would still be wrong.

[Bruffalo]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Yes, as an American, but go to Vietnam or most other places and you will get that and more customarily. Not saying Watson isn’t scummy, but it’s amazing how much different this is when you talk all over the world. 

The difference with a brothel or sex parlor is that there's consent involved. 

 

Practically nobody would care if he was just banging the help with their consent.  He was flying women in, locking them into a room alone with him and then forcing them to perform sexual acts.  

If you seriously don't understand the difference then you might need some kind of therapy. 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

Well he wasn't outside of the US so your point is moot unless you are trying to express how well travelled/erudite you are.

This would be the first time someone goes on a sex tourism romp around south east asia and comes back cultured.

[WotAGuy]

I wonder if Watson having “negotiated” this settlement/punishment will have an effect on the remaining civil case against him?   Since he participated in determining the punishment, his position in that civil case could be weakened (hopefully)?

[Simon]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

This would be the first time someone goes on a sex tourism romp around south east asia and comes back cultured.

 

Unless you're referring to a bacterial STD culture. 

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

This would be the first time someone goes on a sex tourism romp around south east asia and comes back cultured.

More likely to get cultured

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

This would be the first time someone goes on a sex tourism romp around south east asia and comes back cultured.

Last time someone did that we had a global shutdown for like a month.

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

What a ***** scumbag. I hope the Texans ***** him up.

[Simon]

Just now, SWATeam said:

More likely to get cultured

 hah, beat you by 30 seconds. 

[Milanos Milano]

1 minute ago, Jauronimo said:

This would be the first time someone goes on a sex tourism romp around south east asia and comes back cultured.

I’m done talking about it because it is useless to do so, but the more you travel you see some very out there stuff that makes America seem conservative by nature. By our standards Watson should absolutely be punished, pretty sure we are all in agreement there. My only point was to discuss at how different places perceive these things. 

[Scott7975]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Right they've got to prep and run an offense for Jacoby Brissette for the first 11 games and then suddenly shift if for Watson for the last 6...good luck with that.

 

Not too mention that Watson hasn't done much work for two years.  He will be coming in cold with an offense and players he really has no timing with.

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I’m done talking about it because it is useless to do so, but the more you travel you see some very out there stuff that makes America seem conservative by nature. By our standards Watson should absolutely be punished, pretty sure we are all in agreement there. My only point was to discuss at how different places perceive these things. 

Again, the fact that he had sex with a bunch of women isn't the problem.  There's no cultural enlightenment to be had here. 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

The last thing I will tell you is that if you continue down this road, it is not likely to end well for you.

 

What does this threat mean?