Einstein Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Tough to trust random people on the internet but I found this story from a fan potentially concerning. The fan who wrote this has been a member of that Bills forum for 19 years, so I'm hoping he wouldn't just make this up. "One of the beat writers was at a wedding I was at this past weekend. Not gonna say who. He 'says' that word around camp is that Elam isn’t anywhere near where the Bills had hoped in terms of starting week one or contributing." (link) I know there have been reports that he has struggled at times, but I hadn't yet seen anything that indicates that the Bills are realizing that Elam is just not ready to contribute. Especially upsetting with reports than McDuffie has looked impressive in Chiefs camp. 1 2 5 1 4 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 This is concerning 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 coincidentally someone told me they heard at a bar mitzvah that McDuffie was disappointing the chiefs org. 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 There’s still time for things to click. Would be good if it was soon, but not a calamity if it doesn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 There's other bills forums? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Sounds legit. I will write him off starting now. Thanks for sharing. 1 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 We shall all see 1st hand how he does tonight. Indy's playing their starters on Offense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Wow. What a story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 13, 2022 Author Share Posted August 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: There's other bills forums? Yeah, but they're like the non-brand name soda. Just doesnt taste the same lol. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: There's other bills forums? After the old BBMB closed I went to Buffalo Stampede. It was pretty bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WyoAZBillfan Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 My Magic Eight Bell said “Doubtful”. Maybe I asked the wrong question though🤷🏼♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Let me guess, it was Thad Brown... 1 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Im not buying it. Elam is a man corner trying to learn how to play off coverage. Even in playing man he is going against one of the best route runners in the league. By the source logic that would mean that Levi Wallace is better than Elam at point and you can miss me with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 13, 2022 Author Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: After the old BBMB closed I went to Buffalo Stampede. It was pretty bad. I've been been to all the Bills groups and this one (TBD) is by far the best. Buffalo Range is second - loose moderation is nice sometimes. The rest of them I dont even bother going to. Honestly you're going to get the news pretty fast right here on this forum. Edited August 13, 2022 by Einstein 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Under this regime since 2017, the only advantage the sideline reporters have over fans is the amount of visual exposure to practice. Nothing else leaks. Sideline reporters have no additional information regarding how the Bills organization feels about the development of one of their players. Period. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 13, 2022 Author Share Posted August 13, 2022 Just now, 34-78-83 said: Under this regime since 2017, the only advantage the sideline reporters have over fans is the amount of visual exposure to practice. Nothing else leaks. Sideline reporters have no additional information regarding how the Bills organization feels about the development of one of their players. Period. Eh, I dont know about that. Reporters with that close access to the players hear things for sure. Sal Capaccaio has said on numerous occasions that he has information that he cant/wont release because he doesnt want to break his close ties tot he organizaiton. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 They very first reply in that thread. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Yeah I might decide to see him on the field in actual live game action before I crown him Busty McBustoffson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 As every football expert will tell you training camp before the first preseason game is played is the point of no return for any defensive back’s career in the league. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stokes84 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 People were talking about Jamarr Chase being a bust this time a year ago. 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stokes84 said: People were talking about Jamarr Chase being a bust this time a year ago. Couldn't catch an NFL football Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Eh, I dont know about that. Reporters with that close access to the players hear things for sure. Sal Capaccaio has said on numerous occasions that he has information that he cant/wont release because he doesnt want to break his close ties tot he organizaiton. Sal is part of the bills organization. So if it was him specifically, then sure it's possible I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 17 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: There's other bills forums? This forum is BY FAR the most active. Ain't even close. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 I dont buy the story. The Bills will run just a vanilla defense but we shall see how he does against an upper tier QB today. The kid is a rookie who plays press man but is practicing zone against a top tier offense where the QB cant be touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) I guess we will see with Elam. Is converting from press to zone coverage a difficult thing for a corner? Would think going the other way (zone to press) could be difficult if the corner does not have the physical ability needed. If Elam is not a starter at CB in the first game or early in the season (or plays poorly if he does), it will be a big disappointment. We have had some high round draft picks at CB play well in their first season (Winfield, Clements and Tre). Others, not so much (McKelvin). Elam seems to have the desire and athleticism to succeed, but if he does not play well in his first season, I will be concerned about his long-term prospects, since there are a lot of examples of first round drafted CBs contributing immediately. I get it that there is a learning curve for first year players, particularly at certain positions (such as QB), but we really need Elam to be a player this year. Edited August 13, 2022 by jahnyc language fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 43 minutes ago, Einstein said: Tough to trust random people on the internet but I found this story from a fan potentially concerning. The fan who wrote this has been a member of that Bills forum for 19 years, so I'm hoping he wouldn't just make this up. "One of the beat writers was at a wedding I was at this past weekend. Not gonna say who. He 'says' that word around camp is that Elam isn’t anywhere near where the Bills had hoped in terms of starting week one or contributing." (link) I know there have been reports that he has struggled at times, but I hadn't yet seen anything that indicates that the Bills are realizing that Elam is just not ready to contribute. Especially upsetting with reports than McDuffie has looked impressive in Chiefs camp. But we HAD to take a first round corner. More proof that you don’t draft for need, especially in the first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Y’all who feel the need, cuddle up with your unfounded concern, I’m gonna go make another cup of coffee ☕️ Go Bills!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 13, 2022 Author Share Posted August 13, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, 34-78-83 said: Sal is part of the bills organization. So if it was him specifically, then sure it's possible I suppose. When did Sal get hired by the Bills? That’s news to me. Edited August 13, 2022 by Einstein 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, whorlnut said: But we HAD to take a first round corner. More proof that you don’t draft for need, especially in the first. They said they had the only remaining 1st round grade on him and even traded up for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 What are we doing here? Most of his reps have been against arguably the top passing duo in the league-the duo that has done really well against the top corners in the league the past 2 years. Not only that, but Josh isn’t allowed to get hit and in some circumstances there’s not even a rush against him! But we are supposed to expect a rookie cb to be playing lights out every snap in training camp?? Again, what are we doing here? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliBills Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Making something out of nothing it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Doc said: They said they had the only remaining 1st round grade on him and even traded up for him. Yeah I know. Just saying that they panicked and took him instead of trading down and picking up more picks. There were good corners in round 2 and 3. They didn’t NEED to take Elam. Benford is more proof that McD can coach up DBs. That was my argument against a first round corner and I still stand by it. 3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: What are we doing here? Most of his reps have been against arguably the top passing duo in the league-the duo that has done really well against the top corners in the league the past 2 years. Not only that, but Josh isn’t allowed to get hit and in some circumstances there’s not even a rush against him! But we are supposed to expect a rookie cb to be playing lights out every snap in training camp?? Again, what are we doing here? He will be going against other professional qbs and receivers every week. They will be scouting his weaknesses and exploiting them. Don’t act like this isn’t something to be concerned about. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: Yeah I know. Just saying that they panicked and took him instead of trading down and picking up more picks. There were good corners in round 2 and 3. They didn’t NEED to take Elam. Benford is more proof that McD can coach up DBs. That was my argument against a first round corner and I still stand by it. Yeah there were good corners in rounds 2 and 3. Instead of waiting for those rounds they chose to trade up for the CB they had a 1st grade on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted August 13, 2022 Author Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Yeah I know. Just saying that they panicked and took him If I were to guess based on the very little we know, that would be my guess. I think Beane said Elam was the last first round grade they had on a player. Am I remembering that correctly? If so, then It would be understandable that they may have jumped on him. 7 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: What are we doing here? Most of his reps have been against arguably the top passing duo in the league-the duo that has done really well against the top corners in the league the past 2 years. Not only that, but Josh isn’t allowed to get hit and in some circumstances there’s not even a rush against him! But we are supposed to expect a rookie cb to be playing lights out every snap in training camp?? Again, what are we doing here? I’m not concerned with fan opinions but IF the Bills organization truly don’t think he’s ready to contribute, then that is obviously concerning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Yeah I know. Just saying that they panicked and took him instead of trading down and picking up more picks. There were good corners in round 2 and 3. They didn’t NEED to take Elam. Benford is more proof that McD can coach up DBs. That was my argument against a first round corner and I still stand by it. He will be going against other professional qbs and receivers every week. They will be scouting his weaknesses and exploiting them. Don’t act like this isn’t something to be concerned about. It’s also not something to overreact about either. He’s not facing Allen/Diggs caliber duos every week. He will also be given help during a game. Neither of these things have been true during training camp. I’ve seen videos of virtually every rookie corner getting burned during camp so far, it’s all part of the learning process. If it’s still happening a couple of weeks into the season that’s a different story, but it should be expected he will struggle against Allen and Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 He’s gonna be an immediate starter just like every other McBeane 1st round pick 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 56 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: coincidentally someone told me they heard at a bar mitzvah that McDuffie was disappointing the chiefs org. I rode an escalator with a guy who overheard at a Quinceañera he was working that Sauce Gardner has been “solid-but-unspectacular” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Yeah I know. Just saying that they panicked and took him instead of trading down and picking up more picks. There were good corners in round 2 and 3. They didn’t NEED to take Elam. Benford is more proof that McD can coach up DBs. That was my argument against a first round corner and I still stand by it. He will be going against other professional qbs and receivers every week. They will be scouting his weaknesses and exploiting them. Don’t act like this isn’t something to be concerned about. They panicked? I doubt they panicked. lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 It seems we still haven’t learned that this is the most tight lipped organization in the league. This FO and coaches don’t talk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 Just now, gobills404 said: He’s gonna be an immediate starter just like every other McBeane 1st round pick I heard Tre White won't be ready until week 2 or 3 at this rate. So yes, Elam might be starting but it won't be because he's ready. Dane Jackson has been getting torched on the daily in camp and he's currently our #1 corner. Yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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