Judge Sue Robinson recommends 6 game suspension for Watson; NFL will appeal

[YoloinOhio]

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

1 hour ago, Gunvald's Husse said:

Exactly how many women was he alleged to have assaulted? I am in no way dismissing what he did but you are comparing apples and oranges here

 

In addition, the exposure of a case in 2033 and one now is completely different - people who would have never heard of the Bryant case (and I am one of them as I am neither in the US nor at all interested in trhe NBA) will most definitely have heard of the Watsaon case. For example, the fact that his 6-game suspension is being appealed was covered in the Guardian in the UK (on the US news page, not the sports page), not exactly a regular coverer of US sports 

 

Ok, we will have to agree to disagree.  I have just have a different opinion.  But judging by the fact the he received a 230 million dollar contract....fully guaranteed, lends weight that people are already dismissing this as an issue.  Certainly in the Browns Org.   The Browns are working off of past similar instances with other sports stars and making an educated guess on how this will play out.  I'm just agreeing that the Browns are guessing correctly.

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

My point exactly

 

 

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[YoloinOhio]

17 hours ago, maddenboy said:

technically, its a Labor Law case.  Usually federal law.  Involves a labor union.

 

Employment law tends to vary by state.

And because it is a labor law case in the federal court, they will give deference to the CBA that the nfl and union came together to collectively bargain for in 2020. I don’t think they are going to override the final decision which lies with goodell or a designee unless there is some egregious violation of the CBA in the process. Don’t see where that took place. 
 

jurisdiction will also be important here and if the nfl can file the lawsuit first and get the case tried in the southern district of NY they will use Brady/deflate gate second circuit  precedent - the court agreed with the nfl there. It will be a race to the courthouse. If the union can get it filed in Delaware they have a better chance because that’s where Robinson came from. Steep climb to overturn goodell decision though.

[Gunvald's Husse]

22 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

 

Ok, we will have to agree to disagree.  I have just have a different opinion.  But judging by the fact the he received a 230 million dollar contract....fully guaranteed, lends weight that people are already dismissing this as an issue.  Certainly in the Browns Org.   The Browns are working off of past similar instances with other sports stars and making an educated guess on how this will play out.  I'm just agreeing that the Browns are guessing correctly.

 

You may be right (I really hope - no offence - that you are wrong) but I would say that the contract says nothing about how "people" are viewing the issue.

 

Plus, I think you are crediting the Browns onwership with far more intelligence than they actually have when you suggest they thought this through 😀

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[3rdnlng]

On 8/2/2022 at 3:00 PM, CoudyBills said:

Do you feel better now, bishop?

Why don't you refute my post rather than do a drive-by?

[The Wiz]

49 minutes ago, Gunvald's Husse said:

You may be right (I really hope - no offence - that you are wrong) but I would say that the contract says nothing about how "people" are viewing the issue.

 

Plus, I think you are crediting the Browns onwership with far more intelligence than they actually have when you suggest they thought this through 😀

Just because they thought it through doesn't mean it was intelligent thought.

[ytownblofan]

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

My guess is 12 games and a $10 million fine.

[YoloinOhio]

Peter C. Harvey

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

51 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Just because they thought it through doesn't mean it was intelligent thought.

I mean, I guess this is a funny joke thing to say... I laughed. But if you honestly believe they didnt have an army of smart people...lawyers, PR people, marketing execs, owners, coaches, etc. pouring over this decision your just fooling yourself. 

 

However unlikely... Imagine him winning a couple SB's.... Oh I can see the interviews and love already. Everyone loves a comeback story.

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[Doc]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

My guess is 12 games and a $10 million fine.

 

It's got to be at least 12 games, so he can avoid having to play at Houston. 

[BarleyNY]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Conversely, I'm impressed that Houston was able to rid itself of this bum while snagging three first-round draft picks in the bargain.  Many (including me) questioned Caserio's handling of the whole Watson mess, but I think they've made the best of what could have been a disastrous situation.  If they can find a QB, the Texans have a very bright future.   

They certainly maximized the value of their hand in this situation.  It tells you something when a train wreck of an owner can outmaneuver another train wreck of an owner.  It is interesting that there is no hint that they’re going to be facing any penalty - or even an investigation - for their part in all of this though. 

[The Wiz]

39 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I mean, I guess this is a funny joke thing to say... I laughed. But if you honestly believe they didnt have an army of smart people...lawyers, PR people, marketing execs, owners, coaches, etc. pouring over this decision your just fooling yourself. 

 

However unlikely... Imagine him winning a couple SB's.... Oh I can see the interviews and love already. Everyone loves a comeback story.

I don't doubt that they have all those things ready to go at a moments notice, but when they all agree that "triggered" is the best word to use in their statement... well it's like the old joke goes "what do you call someone that graduated last place in medical school? Doctor. "

[CoudyBills]

2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Why don't you refute my post rather than do a drive-by?

That horse is way to high to mount.

[3rdnlng]

11 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

That horse is way to high to mount.

Try a pony. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[NewEra]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

 

Oh man…..

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Browns coaching staff to Deshaun:

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Well, I guess we know why he changed his mind about the Browns now.

[JDubya76]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Can a convention file for a preemptive restraining order?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

This is an interesting appeal. From what I read the appeal can only look at the evidence already presented, and that was only 5 cases even though there are at least 24 people that have come forward. Most people feel the suspension should be longer. If it is increased substantially then the NFLPA probably files suit to block it, even though it looks like the NFL is following the process laid out in the CBA. 

Hope he gets a full year.

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

This is an interesting appeal. From what I read the appeal can only look at the evidence already presented, and that was only 5 cases even though there are at least 24 people that have come forward. Most people feel the suspension should be longer. If it is increased substantially then the NFLPA probably files suit to block it, even though it looks like the NFL is following the process laid out in the CBA. 

Hope he gets a full year.

I mean she already said the NFL proved it's case, they just disagree with the punishment.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[buffaloboyinATL]

By the way, has anyone confirmed if Judge Sue Robinson is a Browns or Clemson fan?

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Well, I guess we know why he changed his mind about the Browns now.

 

He'll be there signing his crusty hand towels...

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

11 hours ago, JDubya76 said:

Can a convention file for a preemptive restraining order?

Like this?:

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[Beast]

[Orlando Tim]

I do not have time to read entire report from judge but 6 games seems far to small. If Zeke got 6 for just the accusation then Deshaun needs at least a year for this, especially since he is maintaining he did nothing wrong. The NFL is not a court of law, and the only problem I see with the suspension is how the owners have gotten away with some of their crap over the years.

[Doc Brown]

If this is true, why in the world would the Browns play this guy in the preseason with the chance of him having an ACL/MCL tear or even the tiny chance of a career ending injury?

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

If this is true, why in the world would the Browns play this guy in the preseason with the chance of him having an ACL/MCL tear or even the tiny chance of a career ending injury?

 

 

It’s definitely true. I suppose they feel he needs to play as much  football as possible because at the end of this he will have been out close to or exactly 2 whole seasons

[RobbRiddick]

On 8/5/2022 at 1:54 AM, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

The phrase "like Michael Jackson in a candy store" comes to mind

[machine gun kelly]

23 hours ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Like this?:

Well Helllooo Clarise.

 

It puts the lotion in the basket, take two steps back.

 

All kidding aside, has anyone read anything about this former NJ Prosecutor who’s evaluating the appeal.  My assumption is he’ll just up it to 1 year as Goodell has the final say.  They agreed to this CBA.

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

If this is true, why in the world would the Browns play this guy in the preseason with the chance of him having an ACL/MCL tear or even the tiny chance of a career ending injury?

 

 

 

Wouldn't the NFLPA seek and injunction if they sue over the NFL's coming suspension?

[Awwufelloff]

A little late to the party but what is the most likely outcome in all of this? 

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Wouldn't the NFLPA seek and injunction if they sue over the NFL's coming suspension?

They can but they’ve acquiesced to the 6 games. They had to appeal it by Thursday morning and did not. So if they seek and get an injunction (no guarantee they will get it), week 7 is the earliest he could play. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

They can but they’ve acquiesced to the 6 games. They had to appeal it by Thursday morning and did not. So if they seek and get an injunction (no guarantee they will get it), week 7 is the earliest he could play. 

 

If the NFL (as the final arbiter of suspensions) gives him 17 games, the 6 game suspension no longer exists.  If the NFLPA sues in Federal court over the actual suspension, why wouldn't they seek an injunction so he could play until the case is decided?  At least that could get him playing week 1, possibly more, until the court decision (6 or 17 games) is handed down.

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

A little late to the party but what is the most likely outcome in all of this? 

12 games, 10 mill fine if he agrees to counseling. Or indefinite if he does not. The fact he refuses to admit he did anything wrong or show any remorse is a huge issue for him (and makes it different from roethlisberger) as the league offered him 12 games as a settlement and he turned it down.  Another issue is he has 4 accusers in the case (we know it is a lot more but the league presented 4 in the case). On precedent, he should get 24 games (6 per assault) as Ben and zeke got 6 each for one woman. Ben had a previous case but his suspension was based only on one.

 

But the CBA didn’t have it spelled out that more than 6 games would be given for a first offense if there were multiple accusers or that nonviolent sexual assault would be punished extensively. That’s why the judge said they weren’t forward thinking. I think the CBA giving Roger final say would make the federal court back off if the nflpa sues because this has been collectively bargained already. I think Roger will use this “unprecedented” case to set a new standard of no tolerance and this is set up to make him look like a hero. 

[Doc]

18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

12 games, 10 mill fine if he agrees to counseling. Or indefinite if he does not. The fact he refuses to admit he did anything wrong or show any remorse is a huge issue for him (and makes it different from roethlisberger) as the league offered him 12 games as a settlement and he turned it down.  Another issue is he has 4 accusers in the case (we know it is a lot more but the league presented 4 in the case). On precedent, he should get 24 games (6 per assault) as Ben and zeke got 6 each for one woman. Ben had a previous case but his suspension was based only on one.

 

But the CBA didn’t have it spelled out that more than 6 games would be given for a first offense if there were multiple accusers or that nonviolent sexual assault would be punished extensively. That’s why the judge said they weren’t forward thinking. I think the CBA giving Roger final say would make the federal court back off if the nflpa sues because this has been collectively bargained already. I think Roger will use this “unprecedented” case to set a new standard of no tolerance and this is set up to make him look like a hero. 

 

That's a silly argument by Robinson.  If you kill 4 people, it's not the same sentence as if you kill 1. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That's a silly argument by Robinson.  If you kill 4 people, it's not the same sentence as if you kill 1. 

 

She's just saying that the NFL should have collectively bargained for the suspension schedule for every number of murders conceivable--each listed separately so even an NFL player or his union rep could understand.