Racially motivated murder at Tops

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Of course one side needs to take a hit.  The racist right side.

Conservatives and libertarians are not racist. As a group , libs actually seem obsessed with race where it consumes their very existence- along with their preoccupation with Donald Trump. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Just now, Boatdrinks said:

Nothing should or is being downplayed. Quite the opposite it’s being seized upon by the Democrat party.  Meanwhile 33 people were shot in Chicago this very weekend. Do you care much about those shootings or any people killed ? California ? 

Shoe fits, wear it.  Sucks to have your azzbackwards ideology.   Must be infuriating for you as the racism bubbles to the top.

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Shoe fits, wear it.  Sucks to have your azzbackwards ideology.   Must be infuriating for you as the racism bubbles to the top.

Did I make you self conscious ? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Conservatives and libertarians are not racist. As a group , libs actually seem obsessed with race where it consumes their very existence- along with their preoccupation with Donald Trump. 

This guy in BFLo has really painted you in a corner hasn't he... You gotta surround yourself with this scum.

You know you want to embrace him...

[T&C]

10 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Why you downplaying the Buffalo incident and its national priority over the other incidents. 

 

??

I'm not. What is done is done, it can't be taken back. Its horrible. That's my hometown and it took some ####### from out of town to taint it. The politicians are jumping on this for their own political gain. Why else would joe suddenly decide to go there and speak his meaningless words? Because we're 6 months or so from the dems losing their edge and they know it... its a desperate move for him.

[muppy]

Im going to make one last comment and then be gone from PPP. The political ideology of a hater of blacks killer of innocents this Tops shooter.....beyond either side of the aisle not wanting to be affiliated with this guy and his beliefs.....what difference does it really make now beyond becoming a talking point for each tribe ... is it really THAT important if he is affiliated republican or democrat...maybe affiliate him as a racist killer and keep it moving towards a possible solution to neutralize, identify, and Prevent future perps from doing such acts.....Isnt that the more important topic right now? 

 

I'll see myself Out.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, T&C said:

I haven't read back through this thread so I don't know if this point was made... why did the white house scramble plans so sleepy joe could go to Buffalo tomorrow? He didn't go to other areas that suffered mass shootings. Didn't go to Brooklyn. ***** won't even go to the southern border which is now the greatest source of deaths in our country outside of natural causes. Truckin off to Buffalo for a bizarre political gain, that is it. There is no other reason based on his behavior the last year and a half. 

 

Especially interesting knowing Sleepy Joe’s racist past. I guess he thinks nothing comforts black people more than a racist.

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, T&C said:

I'm not. What is done is done, it can't be taken back. Its horrible. That's my hometown and it took some ####### from out of town to taint it. The politicians are jumping on this for their own political gain. Why else would joe suddenly decide to go there and speak his meaningless words? Because we're 6 months or so from the dems losing their edge and they know it... its a desperate move for him.

Nothing is tainted.  BFLo is a victim here.  The nation knows the perp is a right wing populist nut from out of town.  The only people who I am slacking in the town of my birth are the ones who try and deflect this *****.  They are the one's giving BFLo a bad name and reflect badly in the eyes of the rest of the nation.  They know who they are. 

 

I am not sure how others were raised... But I know how I was.  You take a stand against evil, even if it's next door to you.

 

 

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

34 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Nothing is tainted.  BFLo is a victim here.  The nation knows the perp is a right wing populist nut from out of town.  The only people who I am slacking in the town of my birth are the ones who try and deflect this *****.  They are the one's giving BFLo a bad name and reflect badly in the eyes of the rest of the nation.  They know who they are. 

 

I am not sure how others were raised... But I know how I was.  You take a stand against evil, even if it's next door to you.

 

 

 

 

Haven’t seen any deflection. Everyone believes this guy is evil. Nor is anyone giving Buffalo a bad name. Sorry you’re not finding what you’re looking for here. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Actually neither “ side” needs to take a hit for his actions or his professed racism and motives. It shouldn’t be exploited for Political purposes ( as it sadly already is) but questions should be asked about why the Red Flag law that exists just for this purpose failed to snag this scumbag. 

Yeah I agree but was replying to someone trying to pin this on the left.  Neither side should do this tempting as it might be.  Crazies are everywhere. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, TH3 said:

The concept that 2A was put in place to let citizens rise up against their government at some point is a myth.

 If that’s the case, then what is written and where is a problem. I’d always believed the right to arm was ensuring a means for armed resistance if the government went to far.  What is your take? 

[Bad Things]

It's heartwarming to see how a horrific event like this can bring a community together. <Sarcasm Off >

[RiotAct]

yeah, lots of great discourse in here so far.

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 If that’s the case, then what is written and where is a problem. I’d always believed the right to arm was ensuring a means for armed resistance if the government went to far.  What is your take? 

 

Good luck with that. 

[US Egg]

This guy should rot in prison and not be protected/sheltered there.

 

......did wish he had been taken down, but survived quite painfully.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 If that’s the case, then what is written and where is a problem. I’d always believed the right to arm was ensuring a means for armed resistance if the government went to far.  What is your take? 

 

The founding fathers didn't want a professional/national army. They believed a professional army could be used as a tool of domestic tyranny (this is why they followed it with the rarely talked about 3rd amendment making it unconstitutional for solders to quarter themselves in random citizens' homes). The founders wanted citizens to be armed and ready to fight in case the country needed to defend itself instead of relying on a professional army. The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with citizens fighting back against a tyrannical government, nor does it read that way. It talks about a "militia" defending the "security of the free state." Not an armed group of citizen rebels defending against a tyrannical American government. That is a total myth created by survivalist types that think their AR-15s will stand against military grade aircraft and weapons.

 

I'm pretty moderate on gun control. I don’t support total bans of any specific rifle type but I would like the existing laws around background checks, etc. to be fortified. But starting the discussion with the often misinterpreted writings of people that lived 250 years ago doesn't do it for me. There are plenty of reasonable arguments against stringent gun control that don't involve ascribing an anti-government survivalist fantasy to the founders.

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by HappyDays

[BillStime]

3 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Conservatives and libertarians are not racist. As a group , libs actually seem obsessed with race where it consumes their very existence- along with their preoccupation with Donald Trump. 

 

But there are good people on both sides - we get it... and so did the 18 year old.  He heard it alright.

[Niagara Bill]

13 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

I'm not sure I get your point. Russians don't kill Ukrainians with handguns because close quarters combat is not an ideal attack strategy during an invasion. If you want to limit casualties you will bomb from a distance and then only after the threat is mostly eliminated will you send in ground troops to secure the area. I don't think it has anything to do with power or boldness it's just military strategy. If this guy wanted to kill minorities he would do it with a pump shotgun, a car, a sword, a baseball bat, a knife, whatever he could get his hands on. His AR-15 was already banned by NY state and that clearly didn't stop him

Your point was he could use a shotgun and do the same damage. My point is I know that but big weapons give these nuts a sense of power that smaller guns don't. And these events are about power and hate. 

[TH3]

12 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

how so?

 

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

 

seems pretty straightforward to me.  i think there is a myth that 2A supports creation of independent armed militias where as the term "militia" was used to refer to all armed citizens.  is that what you are referring to?  but 2A definitely was put in place as a check and balance of power.  the colonies were fighting the greatest army in the world at the time.  they wanted their new government to be a government by the people and for the people, not one that the citizens would fear.  a balance of power is crucial to a functioning democracy

nope - keep beleivin' tho

[Beast]

9 hours ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Nothing is tainted.  BFLo is a victim here.  The nation knows the perp is a right wing populist nut from out of town.  The only people who I am slacking in the town of my birth are the ones who try and deflect this *****.  They are the one's giving BFLo a bad name and reflect badly in the eyes of the rest of the nation.  They know who they are. 

 

I am not sure how others were raised... But I know how I was.  You take a stand against evil, even if it's next door to you.

 

 

 

 

 

You're a special kind of stupid, huh? You believe everything the kid publishes in his manifesto with the exception that he is a self admitted Authortarian Left Winger, hates Conservative people and hates FOX News.

 

I bet you think your President isn't a racist either.

 

Face it, your side has a long, LONG hostory of racism. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, muppy said:

Im going to make one last comment and then be gone from PPP. The political ideology of a hater of blacks killer of innocents this Tops shooter.....beyond either side of the aisle not wanting to be affiliated with this guy and his beliefs.....what difference does it really make now beyond becoming a talking point for each tribe ... is it really THAT important if he is affiliated republican or democrat...maybe affiliate him as a racist killer and keep it moving towards a possible solution to neutralize, identify, and Prevent future perps from doing such acts.....Isnt that the more important topic right now? 

 

I'll see myself Out.

Oh no you don’t!   You can’t waltz in here and mupset the mapple cart spreading a message of common sense and unity, then close the door behind you. 
 

I’ve mentioned this before—A friend of mine, a man who refers to himself as liberal, is a very well-respected attorney in NYS government.   His most common refrain when our extended group of friends gets together is how it’s amazing that folks  with different thoughts politically can navigate through life finding common ground, yet rampant divisiveness is the order of the day at the state/national scene.  
 

He was no fan of Trump, obviously, but when engaged in dialogue about his side of the aisle, he’s an honest broker of issues important to others.  When speaking about corruption on his side of the table (He suggested I give Eliot Spitzer a fair shake—he worked with him directly—and I did, and have occasionally asked him how that worked out), he doesn’t pretend it’s not a thing. 

The fact is that most of us get through life without tilting windmills and throwing punches at the other side.  The history of our country reveals extremists on all sides have one thing in common—they don’t represent all sides and rarely reflect anything approaching mainstream thought. 
 

 

 

 

[TSOL]

The shooter is 18 years old. Think about YOUR thought processes at that age.

 

I have a feeling Xbox had more to do with this person's mental deficiencies, rather than politics. 

[KDIGGZ]

55 minutes ago, TH3 said:

nope - keep beleivin' tho

Can you enlighten us? I don't understand what your point is

[Tiberius]

7 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

This guy should rot in prison and not be protected/sheltered there.

 

......did wish he had been taken down, but survived quite painfully.

It's almost as if he is disposable. Like cannon fodder 

43 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

You're a special kind of stupid, huh? You believe everything the kid publishes in his manifesto with the exception that he is a self admitted Authortarian Left Winger, hates Conservative people and hates FOX News.

 

I bet you think your President isn't a racist either.

 

Face it, your side has a long, LONG hostory of racism. 

This dude was above all an extreme racist. Replacement theory is a racist theory, don't you agree? 

9 minutes ago, TSOL said:

The shooter is 18 years old. Think about YOUR thought processes at that age.

 

I have a feeling Xbox had more to do with this person's mental deficiencies, rather than politics. 

Yup, he was radicalized by that Replacement Theory. 

 

What is your opinion of replacement theory? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

13 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

 

Let the jury decide of they provide a product that hurt people or is unsafe. Do mentally ill people seek these products out? Do the gun manufacturers know this? Of course. 

 

Gun manufacturers are profiting right now off of this massacre. 

 

 

 

Again, there are a plethora of things that can be used to hurt/kill people. What about the manufactures of ammonium nitrate fertilizer? You can buy 40 lb bags of it at the local feed store. Doesn't take much to turn those into something that can kill hundreds at a time. What about the makers of alcoholic beverages? Those kill FAR MORE than firearms. It's actually 3-4x more deaths. Should people be suing Labatts? 

 

I'd love to see the studies to back up your claim on "mentally ill people seek out these products" and gun makers knowing this so they can sell firearms to them. 

 

BTW: You continue to ignore points I'm making... like you claiming you nor anyone you know ever having a home broken into thus no need for semi-automatic firearms... when I posted story after story (linked) to times these firearms save lives and protect homes. 

[TSOL]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

It's almost as if he is disposable. Like cannon fodder 

This dude was above all an extreme racist. Replacement theory is a racist theory, don't you agree? 

Yup, he was radicalized by that Replacement Theory. 

 

What is your opinion of replacement theory? 

 

 

That not every half baked dumb ass idea needs a catch phrase? 

[Tiberius]

2 minutes ago, TSOL said:

 

 

That not every half baked dumb ass idea needs a catch phrase? 

Is it an evil idea? 

6 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Again, there are a plethora of things that can be used to hurt/kill people. What about the manufactures of ammonium nitrate fertilizer? You can buy 40 lb bags of it at the local feed store. Doesn't take much to turn those into something that can kill hundreds at a time. What about the makers of alcoholic beverages? Those kill FAR MORE than firearms. It's actually 3-4x more deaths. Should people be suing Labatts? 

 

I'd love to see the studies to back up your claim on "mentally ill people seek out these products" and gun makers knowing this so they can sell firearms to them. 

 

BTW: You continue to ignore points I'm making... like you claiming you nor anyone you know ever having a home broken into thus no need for semi-automatic firearms... when I posted story after story (linked) to times these firearms save lives and protect homes. 

If people sell products that can be used to massacre people those making a selling them should be allowed to be sued in court. Pretty simple 

[Irv]

Demented Biden and his divisive buddies are to blame for all of this.  That's all those ***** clowns know what to do.  Divide.   

[TSOL]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Is it an evil idea? 

 

 

 

It doesn't have enough substance to it to be evil. It's an obscure  fringe theory that in these couple of posts received more attention that it deserves 

 

 

[716er]

Just now, TSOL said:

 

 

It doesn't have enough substance to it to be evil. It's an obscure  fringe theory that in these couple of posts received more attention that it deserves 

 

 

 

There are folks defending in right now in the "War on Whiteness" thread.

 

It ain't fringe. 

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, TSOL said:

 

 

It doesn't have enough substance to it to be evil. It's an obscure  fringe theory that in these couple of posts received more attention that it deserves 

 

 

No, the GOP is peddling this crap. Build the wall! Illegal babies, Mexico is sending us rapists and drugs, etc. etc...

[Westside]

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

There are folks defending in right now in the "War on Whiteness" thread.

 

It ain't fringe. 

You’re not a serious person.

2 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, the GOP is peddling this crap. Build the wall! Illegal babies, Mexico is sending us rapists and drugs, etc. etc...

Take a look at your presidents past history. He’s as racist as anyone yet you defend him. 
 

 

[ArdmoreRyno]

23 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Is it an evil idea? 

If people sell products that can be used to massacre people those making a selling them should be allowed to be sued in court. Pretty simple 

 

So then let's start a list.... 

 

• Semi-trailer manufactures
• Moving van manufactures
• Car manufactures
• Knives manufactures
• Plane manufactures
• Helicopter manufactures
• Boats manufactures
• Petroleum companies 
• Alcoholic beverage companies
• Firearm manufactures
• Ammonium Nitrate manufactures
• Cherry producers
• Apricot producers
• Plum producers
• Peach producers
• Apple producers
• Pear producers
• Rice producers
• Castor oil producers

 

How long should we make this list?

 

[TSOL]

10 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, the GOP is peddling this crap. Build the wall! Illegal babies, Mexico is sending us rapists and drugs, etc. etc...

 

 

No, they are not. You are perceiving this because you are just seeing what you want to see. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

22 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

No, the GOP is peddling this crap. Build the wall! Illegal babies, Mexico is sending us rapists and drugs, etc. etc...

 

Still waiting to hear why you jump over posts that PROVE you're incorrect (and if you want to add to the list of companies/producers that could be sued due to their products being able to kill large number of people)

16 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Perhaps not.  But fewer deaths and injuries.  

 

Completely untrue. Do you know what the worst school massacre was in the United States? What was used?

[Tiberius]

16 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

So then let's start a list.... 

 

• Semi-trailer manufactures
• Moving van manufactures
• Car manufactures
• Knives manufactures
• Plane manufactures
• Helicopter manufactures
• Boats manufactures
• Petroleum companies 
• Alcoholic beverage companies
• Firearm manufactures
• Ammonium Nitrate manufactures
• Cherry producers
• Apricot producers
• Plum producers
• Peach producers
• Apple producers
• Pear producers
• Rice producers
• Castor oil producers

 

How long should we make this list?

 

If you can make the case in court, I say go for it. A plane manufacturer that makes a defective plane shouldn't be held accountable??? Huh? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, Tiberius said:

If you can make the case in court, I say go for it. A plane manufacturer that makes a defective plane shouldn't be held accountable??? Huh? 

 

You're now talking about a different thing all together. 

[Gugny]

12 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

Still waiting to hear why you jump over posts that PROVE you're incorrect (and if you want to add to the list of companies/producers that could be sued due to their products being able to kill large number of people)

 

Completely untrue. Do you know what the worst school massacre was in the United States? What was used?

 

Here we go.  

 

Please do tell me about the 1927 bombings and then try to tell me how that is, in any way, relevant to the modern day gun violence/mass shootings using semi-automatic weapons.

[billsfan_34]

On 5/15/2022 at 9:03 AM, Tiberius said:

He would of been shot dead if he were a person of color, in all likelihood 

Horrific day in the 716. I hope this goes federal and he is sent to hell with a very short time on death row. There is no place in society for the evil that this pos engaged in. 
 

i don’t know if him being black/brown would have resulted in him being shot/killed by the police. I think it would be interesting to see what the data shows i.e. white/black/brown et cetera that, what percentage, when surrendering after a horrific crime, are killed by law enforcement. Perception vs reality. 

[ArdmoreRyno]

40 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Here we go.  

 

Please do tell me about the 1927 bombings and then try to tell me how that is, in any way, relevant to the modern day gun violence/mass shootings using semi-automatic weapons.

 

Why not? People will find ways to kill others. They have for all human history.

 

You know what tannerite is, I assume? That could be made to carry out a bombing like what took place at the Bath school house. The Austin bell tower shooter... he killed 18 people and shot over 30 with a Remington 700 (bolt action). 

 

Evil will find a way. If that's a  Ford Escape in Waukesha, Wisconsin... or a Bushmaster XM-15 in Buffalo.

Edited May 17, 2022 by ArdmoreRyno