Racially motivated murder at Tops

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Why not? What's an assault weapon? A weapon used to assault someone. If you throw a frisbee at someone's head you have just assaulted them

How many rounds a minute does a frisbee fire? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Reporting for duty...

 

Oh, boy... Just took a look around this thread.  Do we really have people that are trying to down play what happened in the city BFLo by a rural gun nut that drove 4 hours to get to his racially pre-determined targets? 

 

[Boatdrinks]

11 minutes ago, ALF said:

One retired Buffalo Police Officer said it best , you can pass all the gun laws you want, but if you don't change peoples hearts it won't matter.

Bingo. Criminals and evil people are the problem when politicians refer to  

“ gun violence”. The only thing we can do is lock them up and bring back the death penalty. Harsh penalties are more helpful to the law abiding citizens than restricting their access to firearms. 

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

It sounds like you are making a lot of assumptions and then resorted to complete dismissal of mine and millions of people's opinion on the matter, which is how these types of conversations often go when people are unable to thoughtfully rebut an argument.

 

They were able to classify automatic weapons by the way they are fired - automatically without pulling the trigger. That one was easy. Now how do you define an assault weapon? Give it a try. There isn't a way to do so without banning all guns

I’m not dismissing your stance at all - I think additional bans are borderline useless at this point anyways and I don’t support them. I was dismissing your particular line of argument talking about frisbees and s**t. Look, if state or fed lawmakers want to give it a go though they will define the weapons specifically. I’d assume they would go after AR-style rifles and the like.

Edited May 16, 2022 by JoPoy88

[ArdmoreRyno]

3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

How many rounds a minute does a frisbee fire? 

 

You're missing his point. An AR-15 isn't an "assault weapon". A M4 or M16 is. 

 

Is a Glock 17 an "assault weapon"? Yes or no. 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Reporting for duty...

 

Oh, boy... Just took a look around this thread.  Do we really have people that are trying to down play what happened in the city BFLo by a rural gun nut that drove 4 hours to get to his racially pre-determined targets? 

 

Ehhh no one is downplaying the horrific crime committed by this deranged murderer. 

[KDIGGZ]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

I’m not dismissing you’re stance at all - I think additional bans are borderline useless at this point anyways and I don’t support them. I was dismissing your particular line of argument talking about frisbees and s**t. Look, if state or fed lawmakers want to give it a go though they will define the weapons specifically. I’d assume they would go after AR-style rifles and the like.

In what way? How can you define an AR style rifle without then setting a precedent to ban all guns? What is an AR style gun that another type of gun is not? Long, black, semi-automatic, accepts detachable magazines, accepts modular attachments and accessories. Just thinking out loud. If anyone wants to try to define an assault weapon I'll help you understand how by doing so you are banning all guns.

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

Reporting for duty...

 

Oh, boy... Just took a look around this thread.  Do we really have people that are trying to down play what happened in the city BFLo by a rural gun nut that drove 4 hours to get to his racially pre-determined targets? 

 

Yes 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Ehhh no one is downplaying the horrific crime committed by this deranged murderer. 

oh not downplaying, just attempting to deflect attention from the kid’s clear motivations for the crime. Which is what your ilk do whenever this happens, along with a heavy dose of whataboutism. Also, he’s a terrorist. Call it what it is. Ideologically motivated mass murder is terrorism. 

[Tiberius]

5 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You're missing his point. An AR-15 isn't an "assault weapon". A M4 or M16 is. 

 

Is a Glock 17 an "assault weapon"? Yes or no. 

It's not? I thought anything could be an assault weapon? So frisbee is an assault weapon but an ar 15 isn't, got it 

2 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

In what way? How can you define an AR style rifle without then setting a precedent to ban all guns? What is an AR style gun that another type of gun is not? Long, black, semi-automatic, accepts detachable magazines, accepts modular attachments and accessories. Just thinking out loud. If anyone wants to try to define an assault weapon I'll help you understand how by doing so you are banning all guns.

You do agree the kid was a terrorist, right? 

[ArdmoreRyno]

Just now, Tiberius said:

It's not? I thought anything could be an assault weapon? So frisbee is an assault weapon but an ar 15 isn't, got it 

 

You failed to answer my question. 

 

Is a "Glock 17" or any other semi-automatic handgun, an "Assault Weapon"? Not a difficult question to answer. 

 

(and again, you've missed his point) 

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

In what way? How can you define an AR style rifle without then setting a precedent to ban all guns? What is an AR style gun that another type of gun is not? Long, black, semi-automatic, accepts detachable magazines, accepts modular attachments and accessories. Just thinking out loud. If anyone wants to try to define an assault weapon I'll help you understand how by doing so you are banning all guns.

your slippery slope is noted. It is hard to define. That’s why, again, I think further outright bans can’t and won’t work. Doesn’t mean legislators should sit on their hands and not try to keep any type of firearm out of the hands of racist, loser kids.

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

oh not downplaying, just attempting to deflect attention from the kid’s clear motivations for the crime. Which is what your ilk do whenever this happens, along with a heavy dose of whataboutism. Also, he’s a terrorist. Call it what it is. Ideologically motivated mass murder is terrorism. 

We know the motivations, but shouldn’t be consumed by them. Deranged and evil people commit murder and often use guns. We know because shootings happen every day. We diminish those shootings and the lives lost when we focus only on those involving certain motives to drive a political agenda. Sadly major media outlets are complicit in this and the Buffalo shooting will get far more coverage than the other two that occurred over the same weekend. The focus should be on tough enforcement of existing laws and harsh sentences for criminals. 

[TH3]

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

your slippery slope is noted. It is hard to define. That’s why, again, I think further outright bans can’t and won’t work. Doesn’t mean legislators should sit on their hands and not try to keep any type of firearm out of the hands of racist, loser kids.

i dunno ...maybe people who want to own a firemarm prove they are responsible and capable enough to enough to own them and remain accountable for their possesions? 

[Boatdrinks]

3 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

your slippery slope is noted. It is hard to define. That’s why, again, I think further outright bans can’t and won’t work. Doesn’t mean legislators should sit on their hands and not try to keep any type of firearm out of the hands of racist, loser kids.

NYS already has a red flag law. Seems this kid would have fit in that category. Did the law fail or the people around him ( teachers , police etc) not to mention his parents ? Legislators cant rid us of crime, but we can get serious about penalties and committing the mentally disturbed. 

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

You do agree the kid was a terrorist, right? 

What does that have to do with having a discussion about firearms? There isn't one person alive that wouldn't think that.

 

5 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

your slippery slope is noted. It is hard to define. That’s why, again, I think further outright bans can’t and won’t work. Doesn’t mean legislators should sit on their hands and not try to keep any type of firearm out of the hands of racist, loser kids.

Yes not a simple solution unfortunately. Having discussions like this results in people being trigged like the poster above. If you try and explain to the other side why there is more to it than they are taking into consideration they shut down. That's why things don't change unfortunately

[Tiberius]

8 minutes ago, ArdmoreRyno said:

 

You failed to answer my question. 

 

Is a "Glock 17" or any other semi-automatic handgun, an "Assault Weapon"? Not a difficult question to answer. 

 

(and again, you've missed his point) 

No, I would not define it that way.  

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

What does that have to do with having a discussion about firearms? There isn't one person alive that wouldn't think that.

 

Yes not a simple solution unfortunately. Having discussions like this results in people being trigged like the poster above. If you try and explain to the other side why there is more to it than they are taking into consideration they shut down. That's why things don't change unfortunately

And this terrorist had too easy of an access to this assault weapon, right? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

oh not downplaying, just attempting to deflect attention from the kid’s clear motivations for the crime. Which is what your ilk do whenever this happens, along with a heavy dose of whataboutism. Also, he’s a terrorist. Call it what it is. Ideologically motivated mass murder is terrorism. 

I was born in Buffalo... It's a pretty racist town.  The racists there are downplaying it... And ironically using their political agenda. That ironic racist political agenda is buried into the POPULIST right's ideology.

 

My father quit the Knights of Columbus back when the .22 Caliber Killer was running around BFLo in 1980. My father showed up at the hall bar and the disgusting people, members there were actually joking around, taking up a collection to buy more bullets for the killer.   My father stormed out and never returned. 

 

Don't underestimate how racist our hometown can be!  It runs deep in much of America!

[Boatdrinks]

1 minute ago, KDIGGZ said:

What does that have to do with having a discussion about firearms? There isn't one person alive that wouldn't think that.

 

Yes not a simple solution unfortunately. Having discussions like this results in people being trigged like the poster above. If you try and explain to the other side why there is more to it than they are taking into consideration they shut down. That's why things don't change unfortunately

Agreed . Way too much focus on labels and words, not enough on ultimately being anti crime and pro law enforcement. 

1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said:

I was born in Buffalo... It's a pretty racist town.  The racists there are downplaying it... And ironically using their political agenda. That ironic racist political agenda is buried into the POPULIST right's ideology.

 

My father quit the Knights of Columbus back when the .22 Caliber Killer was running around BFLo in 1980. My father showed up at the hall bar and the disgusting people, members there were actually joking around, taking up a collection to buy more bullets for the killer.   My father stormed out and never returned. 

 

Don't underestimate how racist our hometown can be!  It runs deep in much of America!

Perhaps you should read up on this case and the nut job that carried it out. He isn’t from Buffalo or even close by. Buffalo is decidedly Democrat in every sense. You think Buffalo is racist because of a story involving a few       ( probably drunk) idiots in a bar? 

[ExiledInIllinois]

I am really not shocked by the deflection, downplaying.  Totally expected the populist right to downplay and deflect. 

 

Same thing with Jan. 6th.  Usual suspects littering every corner of America. 

8 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Agreed . Way too much focus on labels and words, not enough on ultimately being anti crime and pro law enforcement. 

Perhaps you should read up on this case and the nut job that carried it out. He isn’t from Buffalo or even close by. Buffalo is decidedly Democrat in every sense. You think Buffalo is racist because of a story involving a few       ( probably drunk) idiots in a bar? 

I know.   

 

Not talking about the perp.

Buffalo is decidedly Democrat... But the suburbs and countryside... Conservative...