Mass shooting in Buffalo (Those wishing to exchange on the political aspects of this situation should do so in the thread located in PPP) - edit by moderator

[The Wiz]

Just now, PetermansRedemption said:

Nothing yet. It’s just so odd. Why Buffalo? He likely passed Rochester and Syracuse. 

And that's kind of my point, must have ties to the area (or a person he was targeting) to want to do this.

[Bad Things]

I just heard the horrible news.

 

Kia Kaha, Buffalo. (Stay strong.)

Sending love from across the seas.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Bad Things

[Chandler#81]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't want to dive into the details from the news, did they say were he came from or no?  Just curious what would make someone travel HOURS, to buffalo, of all places, to decide to do this.

East of Syracuse along the state line with PA. Broome County

Edited May 14, 2022 by Chandler#81

[jkeerie]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

And that's kind of my point, must have ties to the area (or a person he was targeting) to want to do this.

Not necessarily.  Outside of NYC when you think of NY Buffalo figures quite prominently.

[Governor]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

I don't want to dive into the details from the news, did they say were he came from or no?  Just curious what would make someone travel HOURS, to buffalo, of all places, to decide to do this.

Someone from the sticks that went to a city to kill non-whites.

[cba fan]

35 minutes ago, RunninRebel37 said:

Man…the fact police “talked him into putting down his gun” further illustrates how race factors into this. A white supremacist murders 10 people, with 11 of the 13 people shot being black, and police talked him down? It’s a trip. I pray something positive comes from this

omg that's not right if that's true. F'd up world for sure.

[Don Otreply]

58 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

OK, so what is?

We as thinking adults know the answer, it is the lack of will to actually do it that prevents action, I can say no more on this platform ,   my heart goes out to all those harmed by this POS of a human being, may we as a society reach out and console those in need, and put social pressure on all people who think as this individual does. There can be no place in our country for these sorts of people to hide. 

[BruceVilanch]

Sending prayers from Oregon

[Bad Things]

I just heard the horrible news.

 

Kia Kaha, Buffalo. (Stay strong.)

Sending love from across the seas.

[TheBrownBear]

These kids are getting radicalized on various sites and gaming forums from a young age.  

[TH3]

22 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Social media is less informative than it is a forum.  These incidents aren't really copied.  People who hate enough will find an avenue to act on that hatred whether or not it's been done before.

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. I mean….literally….what do you know about this subject from a professional or educational experience or background?

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, jkeerie said:

Not necessarily.  Outside of NYC when you think of NY Buffalo figures quite prominently.

Through Syracuse and Rochester though. 

 

And Binghamton and Albany are closer. 

 

Only people outside of NYS think of buffalo because of sports.  Not saying that's why it was targeted, just feels like there was another reason to target buffalo. 

[BobbyC81]

17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Would we have less tornadoes if they weren’t covered by the news?

Remember that not too long ago we heard “We’d have less positive COVID tests if we stopped testing so much.”.

[Governor]

They confirmed the shooter is a known white supremacist and drove into town from Broome county targeting this grocery store knowing it was in a predominately Black area of town.

[DansvilleDan]

Terrible,terrible news, all of NY stands with you Buffalo

[Warcodered]

6 minutes ago, BobbyC81 said:

Remember that not too long ago we heard “We’d have less positive COVID tests if we stopped testing so much.”.

I mean technically that logic is sound.

[HappyDays]

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

My friend's dad works security there and was on way up there to relieve guard that was killed. Wtf is wrong with people

 

Grateful your friend's dad is OK.

Prayers for the security guard who did his duty and was brutally killed trying to protect others.

[Buffalo716]

9 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Through Syracuse and Rochester though. 

 

And Binghamton and Albany are closer. 

 

Only people outside of NYS think of buffalo because of sports.  Not saying that's why it was targeted, just feels like there was another reason to target buffalo. 

Because he's a known white supremacist

 

And buffalo is the Queen City of New York with a big black population 

 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

Mental illness can take many forms. 
 

I have little doubt that this was a hate crime 

 

I also think it’s unlikely that this kid is “normal”. 
 

my best guess is he was “a bit off” for a long time. Then accessed neo fascist web pages and thought that he could be a hero for his right wing internet buddies. 

I agree. I’m only speaking to the potential for a lawyer to argue that in court.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

East of Syracuse along the state line with PA. Broome County

 

Yeah, kind of.  Southern Tier.    Binghamton.  Almost due south of Syracuse.

[Rico]

Unbelievable. May God bless the victims, their families, and their friends.

[The Wiz]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Because he's a known white supremacist

 

And buffalo is the Queen City of New York with a big black population 

 

And so are all the other places I mentioned.  Not trying to argue about it, just seems odd that it was the target. 

 

The difference between Buffalo and Rochester is ~50k ppl and a higher rate of minorities than Buffalo.  Either way, hang this guy.  Or let him off and force him to come to the home opener wearing his KKK cloak and hood with a sign stating "I killed those people at Tops".  

[muppy]

Im grieving thats all I can say. It is a hopeless feeling to hear of these shootings over and over and over again.  Im sick to my stomach reading this. My prayers are lifted up for the city of Buffalo and ALL those grieving tonight.

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

And so are all the other places I mentioned.  Not trying to argue about it, just seems odd that it was the target. 

 

The difference between Buffalo and Rochester is ~50k ppl and a higher rate of minorities than Buffalo.  Either way, hang this guy.  Or let him off and force him to come to the home opener wearing his KKK cloak and hood with a sign stating "I killed those people at Tops".  

Cases like this are exactly why I wish there was some type of streamlined death penalty for certain situations. Even if the feds get him sentenced to death, it’ll be 20+ years before he’s finally executed. Even though this case is as cut and dry as possible. He did it, without a doubt. 

[JoPoy88]

3 hours ago, Boyst62 said:

And that is alright, of course. Emotions run deep on things which a rational person cannot grasp. 

Why’d I just know you would post something scummy in this thread.

[boyst]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Why’d I just know you would post something scummy in this thread.

I don't even know who you are. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[RaoulDuke79]

Just now, PetermansRedemption said:

Cases like this are exactly why I wish there was some type of streamlined death penalty for certain situations. Even if the feds get him sentenced to death, it’ll be 20+ years before he’s finally executed. Even though this case is as cut and dry as possible. He did it, without a doubt. 

Streamlined to the point where he was carried out in a body bag. There's no investigation that needs to be completed. He was witnessed murdering multiple people. He shouldn't be breathing right now.

[JoPoy88]

Just now, Boyst62 said:

I don't even know who you are. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I consider myself lucky

[The Wiz]

2 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Cases like this are exactly why I wish there was some type of streamlined death penalty for certain situations. Even if the feds get him sentenced to death, it’ll be 20+ years before he’s finally executed. Even though this case is as cut and dry as possible. He did it, without a doubt. 

And that's part of the issue with the appeals court.  Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal.  You either run out of funding or run out of courts.

 

Either way, one appeal grants you probably 2 years.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Good question....I am sure it will be discussed a bunch.   Would be curious to know how the shooter got the AR 15.

 

(my opinions on this as a military that gave UP all my weapons except for 9 mill and shotgun for home defense that civilians should not be allowed to have AR 15s)

 

How about if we want to debate gun laws in the US, Somewhere Else Not Here?

 

I'll  note this guy apparently claimed to be "inspired" by the perpetrator (I will not say his name) responsible for the 2019 Christchurch Mosque massacres in NZ, carried out in despite of NZ's relatively strict gun laws at the time.

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How about if we want to debate gun laws in the US, Somewhere Else Not Here?

I'll just note that New Zealand had some pretty strict gun laws in 2019, and this guy apparently claimed to be "inspired" by the perpetrator (I will not say his name) responsible for the 2019 Christchurch Mosque massacres in NZ.

And do you remember what they did just three days later?

[boyst]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

I consider myself lucky

Touche. But did you have another name or something I'd probably remember?  It said joined in 2019.

[machine gun kelly]

Guys, no website on the planet can convince a kid to become a complete monster.  He learned his hate from somewhere close, very close, and these sites were simply a way to exacerbate hate.  
 

Im sick over this hate and so sad for the loss of these families.  At the end of the day, like when my mom pass peacefully our priest talked about not the loss of

my mom as there is no doubt she’s in whatever you consider heaven.  He discussed the agonizing grief those who survived my mom had to face for a long long time.  Since it happened on my 40th birthday, I to this day do not enjoy my birthday.  I fondly speak of her these days, but my point has nothing to do with me.  
 

I’m just sick over all of the husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, children, and loved ones who will grieve terribly about the loss of their loved one and what they will go through in the coming months and even years.  I know there are police and lawyers on the board.  If there is anyway to convert to federal charges to eventually give him the death penalty is fine with me.  I didn’t think NYS has the death penalty, or at least they won’t enforce it.

 

Down here in FL we put the needle in guys like this down here.  It may take 10 years, but the real answer is put him Gen. Pop.  Once the inmates get a hand on him, a bullet would be kind.

 

I normally am fine with life vs. the needle, but this senseless horrific hate crime should end only one way.

 

im not posting to start a big death penalty conversation.  Not today.  I’m just sick over all of those losses.

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

And so are all the other places I mentioned.  Not trying to argue about it, just seems odd that it was the target. 

 

The difference between Buffalo and Rochester is ~50k ppl and a higher rate of minorities than Buffalo.  Either way, hang this guy.  Or let him off and force him to come to the home opener wearing his KKK cloak and hood with a sign stating "I killed those people at Tops".  

I don't think I'm trying to say those places you listed aren't

 

But Buffalo is the Queen City and a close-knit community.. the city of good neighbors where this kind of stuff doesn't happen

 

It literally took an outsider to do it.. he was trying to destabilize our community that doesn't believe in his ideology

 

 

 

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

How about if we want to debate gun laws in the US, Somewhere Else Not Here?

 

I'll  note this guy apparently claimed to be "inspired" by the perpetrator (I will not say his name) responsible for the 2019 Christchurch Mosque massacres in NZ, carried out in despite of NZ's relatively strict gun laws at the time.

as a horrific sidenote The Poway synagogue shooter was influenced by that same NZ individual. Poway shooter  was a very young man too, came from a very nice family, dad a beloved local high school teacher...radicalism turned violent and for what? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

[BuffaloBill]

What a shocking and sad series of events. This is simply horrible.

[Chandler#81]

17 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yeah, kind of.  Southern Tier.    Binghamton.  Almost due south of Syracuse.

My description is more accurate. No ‘kind of’ involved.

[Warcodered]

11 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said:

Cases like this are exactly why I wish there was some type of streamlined death penalty for certain situations. Even if the feds get him sentenced to death, it’ll be 20+ years before he’s finally executed. Even though this case is as cut and dry as possible. He did it, without a doubt. 

 

8 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

Streamlined to the point where he was carried out in a body bag. There's no investigation that needs to be completed. He was witnessed murdering multiple people. He shouldn't be breathing right now.

 

7 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

And that's part of the issue with the appeals court.  Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal, Appeal.  You either run out of funding or run out of courts.

 

Either way, one appeal grants you probably 2 years.

A process where the Government kills a citizen is absolutely meant to be a pain in the ass and have a bunch of ways out and take a while to happen.

[RaoulDuke79]

Just now, Warcodered said:

 

 

A process where the Government kills a citizen is absolutely meant to be a pain in the ass and have a bunch of ways out and take a while to happen.

Yeah....we know.