Beane's Press Conference

[FlaFitz1]

In his press conference Beane said a lot of things you'd expect him to say and didn't say anything at all with his answers to some questions.

 

One thing he said that struck me was they had 21 players with 1st round grades and then added Elam was the last player they had on their board in that group.

 

Well the Bills traded up to 23 to take him so that would mean 2 players (and Breece Hall) taken before him weren't given a 1st round grade by the Bills.

 

Who do you think they were?  My guesses at Pickett and Quay Walker

Edited April 29, 2022 by FlaFitz1

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, FlaFitz1 said:

In his press conference Beane said a lot of things you'd expect him to say and didn't say anything at all with his answers to some questions.

 

One thing he said that struck me was they had 21 players with 1st round grades and then added Elam was the last player they had on their board in that group.

 

Well the Bills traded up to 23 to take him so that would mean 2 players (and Breece Hall) taken before him weren't given a 1st round grade by the Bills.

 

Who do you think they were?  My guesses at Pickett and Quay Walker

 

When did he say he had 21 firsts? I must have missed that. 

[FlaFitz1]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When did he say he had 21 firsts? I must have missed that. 

 

I may have misunderstood the number but still he did say Elam was the last player on their board with a 1st round grade.   I would guess those two weren't give a 2st round grade.  Maybe their were others.

 

 

[Rochesterfan]

10 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

In his press conference Beane said a lot of things you'd expect him to say and didn't say anything at all with his answers to some questions.

 

One thing he said that struck me was they had 21 players with 1st round grades and then added Elam was the last player they had on their board in that group.

 

Well the Bills traded up to 23 to take him so that would mean 2 players (and Breece Hall) taken before him weren't given a 1st round grade by the Bills.

 

Who do you think they were?  My guesses at Pickett and Quay Walker

 

I did not hear the 21 part - I heard they did not have 25, but I have not heard a firm number.

 

I would agree I don’t think Walker or Pickett had 1sts.
 

I am not sure that 15, 16, 17, or 18 all had first round grades either.  I think maybe 1 of the guards and 1 of the WRs might - not sure that all 4 did.

 

The talk was 16-20 first round grades for most “experts” and those varied a bit based upon needs/desires.

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

The only thing I keyed on was when he said he expects Tre White to be ready for the start of the season. 

[RichRiderBills]

I think he said "about 20" either in his pre draft PC or in the spot w Brownie and Tasker on OBL the week before the draft.

[FlaFitz1]

5 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:

I think he said "about 20" either in his pre draft PC or in the spot w Brownie and Tasker on OBL the week before the draft.

  Thank you - That's what it was - I misremembered

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

The only thing I keyed on was when he said he expects Tre White to be ready for the start of the season. 

Yeah that was pretty good news.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Yeah that was pretty good news.

The Bills aren’t known to rush guys back - so it’s very good news. Everything I’ve seen is that he’s crushed his rehab. And the good thing is he knows this scheme like the back of his hand by now so missing TC and preseason reps won’t be much of an issue. 

[GunnerBill]

44 minutes ago, FlaFitz1 said:

 

I may have misunderstood the number but still he did say Elam was the last player on their board with a 1st round grade.   I would guess those two weren't give a 2st round grade.  Maybe their were others.

 

 

 

Yea I don't think he committed to 21. There were more than two non 1st round grades ahead of them.

[KDIGGZ]

I'm fine with the trade up. That means he got his guy. If this was the last one they liked then they had to do whatever to get him

[H2o]

8 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I'm fine with the trade up. That means he got his guy. If this was the last one they liked then they had to do whatever to get him

But, but, but, our 4th Round pick?!?!?!  

[SoCal Deek]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

The only thing I keyed on was when he said he expects Tre White to be ready for the start of the season. 

You know it’s interesting. I was wondering about that exact same thing when I watched the Alabama WR head to the podium last night. That kid wasn’t wearing a brace, and based on the video segment he’s already working out. Amazing how quickly they heal these days. I’m old….it takes forever to get over a paper cut!!

[Matt_In_NH]

I wouldn't have minded the 4th being used on the Punt Jesus dude but I trust Beane.  If he thought it needed to be done then fine, value wise it was an even trade depending on what chart you are looking at.    If Elam had a clear higher grade than everyone else in the draft at that point then it is probably worth the 4th rounder.  There must have been someone else willing to trade in there is my guess.  

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

But, but, but, our 4th Round pick?!?!?!  

 

Last two 4th round picks:

 

Gabe Davis..........200 yards receiving 4 TD's in divisional playoff

Taron Johnson.......101 yard interception return in divisional playoffs.

 

Almost every 4th rounder they've actually drafted in the last decade or so has become a good starter for the team.

 

It's not a throwaway pick and the strength of this draft is considered it's middle rounds.

 

[MJS]

Teams don't grade players the same. Some teams take guys off their draft board completely for whatever reason. For instance, I bet Beane didn't have the top QB's on their board at all because they knew they weren't taking one. Maybe they took some guys off their board because of medical concerns too, or dropped them down their board. Some players are better scheme fits for certain teams as well.

 

So, even if you are picking at 25 and only have 21 1st round grades, there is still a decent chance that one of those will get to you. For the Bills, if Elam was the last guy with a 1st round grade, that is a good reason for them to trade up a couple of spots to get him, especially if they had concerns that other teams might trade up ahead of them to take him.

[John from Riverside]

I am shocked that Quay Walker went in front of some of these other LBs

[NC-billsfan!]

3 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said:

In his press conference Beane said a lot of things you'd expect him to say and didn't say anything at all with his answers to some questions.

 

One thing he said that struck me was they had 21 players with 1st round grades and then added Elam was the last player they had on their board in that group.

 

Well the Bills traded up to 23 to take him so that would mean 2 players (and Breece Hall) taken before him weren't given a 1st round grade by the Bills.

 

Who do you think they were?  My guesses at Pickett and Quay Walker

I’m going with Cole Strange OLineman that Patsies took. No way he had a first round grade on him.

[BigAl2526]

3 hours ago, FlaFitz1 said:

In his press conference Beane said a lot of things you'd expect him to say and didn't say anything at all with his answers to some questions.

 

One thing he said that struck me was they had 21 players with 1st round grades and then added Elam was the last player they had on their board in that group.

 

Well the Bills traded up to 23 to take him so that would mean 2 players (and Breece Hall) taken before him weren't given a 1st round grade by the Bills.

 

Who do you think they were?  My guesses at Pickett and Quay Walker

I'm actually shocked to hear that there was that close to a consensus among NFL teams on who the top 23 players in the draft were.

[Shaw66]

6 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

I'm actually shocked to hear that there was that close to a consensus among NFL teams on who the top 23 players in the draft were.

Yes.  That means in the top 22 picks, 20 of Beane's picks came off the board.  That's almost universal agreement, although we don't know how many guys other teams still had on their boards.

[Whkfc]

2 hours ago, H2o said:

But, but, but, our 4th Round pick?!?!?!  

Hey Gabe Davis was a 4th round pick and that dude will be a stud.

[gjv001]

I like that we drafted Kaiir Elam. He has the potential to be a perineal all pro DB. But I think Beene was fibbing a little last night. I believe there were at least two players on the Bills board rated higher than Elan, Johnson and Wyatt. I think Elan was the highest rated DB on the Bills Board when they picked.  GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[H2o]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Last two 4th round picks:

 

Gabe Davis..........200 yards receiving 4 TD's in divisional playoff

Taron Johnson.......101 yard interception return in divisional playoffs.

 

Almost every 4th rounder they've actually drafted in the last decade or so has become a good starter for the team.

 

It's not a throwaway pick and the strength of this draft is considered it's middle rounds.

 

The strength of this draft is the depth that can be found in the middle rounds. Our roster is pretty filled out when you look at it from top to bottom. It's a single 4th Round pick, while we still have like 6 others, they used to move up and take the only guy left they had a 1st Round grade on. It's not worth all of the pissing and moaning going around on this board over it. 

[Warcodered]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

The Bills aren’t known to rush guys back - so it’s very good news. Everything I’ve seen is that he’s crushed his rehab. And the good thing is he knows this scheme like the back of his hand by now so missing TC and preseason reps won’t be much of an issue. 

Every time someone is at OBD we hear Tre is there, guy is working his ass off to get back I think.

[BobbyC81]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I am shocked that Quay Walker went in front of some of these other LBs

The national championship effect.

[BADOLBILZ]

39 minutes ago, H2o said:

The strength of this draft is the depth that can be found in the middle rounds. Our roster is pretty filled out when you look at it from top to bottom. It's a single 4th Round pick, while we still have like 6 others, they used to move up and take the only guy left they had a 1st Round grade on. It's not worth all of the pissing and moaning going around on this board over it. 

 

 to the idea that the team is so filled out that they don't have squares to spare.

 

That's literal bullsh*t and just a shout down..............no roster is too good to add a Taron Johnson or Gabe Davis........let alone one where Kumerow, Ques, Doyle, Matakevich etc.. are one twisted ankle away from starting.

 

The proper response is..........it's a risk for a very small move-up..........but if Elam turns into the player they obviously think he will be, it will likely be worth it.

 

No need to oversell it to try to get people to agree so that you can feel better about the trade/pick..........if you were that confident in it you wouldn't be arguing about it.

 

What I would say is that maybe Beane should take a page out of the Les Snead playbook and recognize his strengths and play to them.

 

Snead was a terrible early round drafter..........he started trading THOSE picks.........and suddenly the Rams stopped drafting at the top of each round every year.

 

Beane has been completely ineffective drafting in round 2...........his best use of second round picks has been too trade up for Allen and Edmunds.

 

Meanwhile..........he's had success with big moves in round 1...........and been almost perfect in rounds 3 and 4 (Zach Moss being the only exception).

 

So maybe learn what works and go big or go home with the trade-ups.........or trade BACK from round 2 and get more picks in that round 3/4 sweet spot instead of trading them away.

 

 

 

 

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

The strength of this draft is the depth that can be found in the middle rounds. Our roster is pretty filled out when you look at it from top to bottom. It's a single 4th Round pick, while we still have like 6 others, they used to move up and take the only guy left they had a 1st Round grade on. It's not worth all of the pissing and moaning going around on this board over it. 

Yup, its an over the top reaction to a run of the mill trade transaction, those that are trying to make something of it tend to be the idiosyncratic / chronic fault finders amongst the board participants here. They are also big into running amok in game day threads…, 

[H2o]

38 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 to the idea that the team is so filled out that they don't have squares to spare.

 

That's literal bullsh*t and just a shout down..............no roster is too good to add a Taron Johnson or Gabe Davis........let alone one where Kumerow, Ques, Doyle, Matakevich etc.. are one twisted ankle away from starting.

 

The proper response is..........it's a risk for a very small move-up..........but if Elam turns into the player they obviously think he will be, it will likely be worth it.

 

No need to oversell it to try to get people to agree so that you can feel better about the trade/pick..........if you were that confident in it you wouldn't be arguing about it.

 

What I would say is that maybe Beane should take a page out of the Les Snead playbook and recognize his strengths and play to them.

 

Snead was a terrible early round drafter..........he started trading THOSE picks.........and suddenly the Rams stopped drafting at the top of each round every year.

 

Beane has been completely ineffective drafting in round 2...........his best use of second round picks has been too trade up for Allen and Edmunds.

 

Meanwhile..........he's had success with big moves in round 1...........and been almost perfect in rounds 3 and 4 (Zach Moss being the only exception).

 

So maybe learn what works and go big or go home with the trade-ups.........or trade BACK from round 2 and get more picks in that round 3/4 sweet spot instead of trading them away.

 

 

 

 

Bruh, get over it. We have a team on the cusp of a Lombardi, widely recognized as the best team in the NFL. Beane and McDermott have built that. You're over here foaming at the mouth over a 4th Round pick. It's ONE 4th Round pick. ONE 4th Round pick. Not a 1st, not a 2nd, not a 3rd, not multiple picks, but ONE 4th Round pick. Continue to throw your temper tantrum, but it's not that serious. It's ONE 4th Round pick. 

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, NC-billsfan! said:

I’m going with Cole Strange OLineman that Patsies took. No way he had a first round grade on him.

 

it was a strange pick.  

[pennstate10]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Last two 4th round picks:

 

Gabe Davis..........200 yards receiving 4 TD's in divisional playoff

Taron Johnson.......101 yard interception return in divisional playoffs.

 

Almost every 4th rounder they've actually drafted in the last decade or so has become a good starter for the team.

 

It's not a throwaway pick and the strength of this draft is considered it's middle rounds.

 

“Almost every 4th rounder …has become a good starter for the team. “

 

this statement is simply wrong. Not a matter of opinion, simply wrong. 
 

here’s the list of 4th round picks since 2011, excluding Taron Johnson and Gabe Davis

 

DaNorris Searcy

Chris Hairston

Ron Brooks

 

Nigel Bradham

Duke Williams

Ross Cockrell

Cardale Jones

 

you make the call. 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

“Almost every 4th rounder …has become a good starter for the team. “

 

this statement is simply wrong. Not a matter of opinion, simply wrong. 
 

here’s the list of 4th round picks since 2011, excluding Taron Johnson and Gabe Davis

 

DaNorris Searcy

Chris Hairston

Ron Brooks

 

Nigel Bradham

Duke Williams

Ross Cockrell

Cardale Jones

 

you make the call. 

 

 

Yeah it wasn't almost every 4th rounder.......but it was a really good %..........people forget that Searcy and Bradham got PAID.......Cockrell was only cut because of the scheme change to press man coverage (he would have been a starter in a McDefense over Levi Wallace)..........and Ron Brooks was a talented player in a deep secondary whose career was cut short by injury.

 

It was a tossup whether the 3rd or 4th round pick would be the better one in the Nix/Whaley era.

 

This regime, by contrast,  has been really good in rounds 3 and 4.

 

And remarkably ineffective and probably too reach/draft-for-needy in round 2.

 

With 5 drafts in the bag after this one..........if he doesn't NAIL this 2nd rounder this year maybe Beane needs to self-scout and re-evaluate like Les Snead did.   Learn your strengths.    

 

If you are reaching for need in round 2 then maybe he needs to get himself out of that situation and be more aggressive in round 1 or add more rounds 3 and 4 picks.

 

 

[pennstate10]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah it wasn't almost every 4th rounder.......but it was a really good %..........people forget that Searcy and Bradham got PAID.......Cockrell was only cut because of the scheme change to press man coverage (he would have been a starter in a McDefense over Levi Wallace)..........and Ron Brooks was a talented player in a deep secondary whose career was cut short by injury.

 

It was a tossup whether the 3rd or 4th round pick would be the better one in the Nix/Whaley era.

 

This regime, by contrast,  has been really good in rounds 3 and 4.

 

And remarkably ineffective and probably too reach/draft-for-needy in round 2.

 

With 5 drafts in the bag after this one..........if he doesn't NAIL this 2nd rounder this year maybe Beane needs to self-scout and re-evaluate like Les Snead did.   Learn your strengths.    

 

If you are reaching for need in round 2 then maybe he needs to get himself out of that situation and be more aggressive in round 1 or add more rounds 3 and 4 picks.

 

 

Dude. 

You can say as many words as you want. 
 

Doesn’t change the facts. 
 

None of those players are winners. 
 

It really is that simple. 

[sirebors]

6 hours ago, H2o said:

Bruh, get over it. We have a team on the cusp of a Lombardi, widely recognized as the best team in the NFL. Beane and McDermott have built that. You're over here foaming at the mouth over a 4th Round pick. It's ONE 4th Round pick. ONE 4th Round pick. Not a 1st, not a 2nd, not a 3rd, not multiple picks, but ONE 4th Round pick. Continue to throw your temper tantrum, but it's not that serious. It's ONE 4th Round pick. 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

“Almost every 4th rounder …has become a good starter for the team. “

 

this statement is simply wrong. Not a matter of opinion, simply wrong. 
 

here’s the list of 4th round picks since 2011, excluding Taron Johnson and Gabe Davis

 

DaNorris Searcy

Chris Hairston

Ron Brooks

 

Nigel Bradham

Duke Williams

Ross Cockrell

Cardale Jones

 

you make the call. 

 

 

I do not expect every 4th round player to become a starter but at least become productive player without unreasonable salary demands.

• DaNorris Searcy - Excellent starting player in right scheme
• Chris Hairston - NRFPT (not ready for prime time) player.  Was starter about 1/3 (15/41) of games active.
• Ron Brooks - Not able to stay healthy enough to show worth keeping. Jim Schwartz thought of him well enough to get his signed with Eagles but injured again.
• Nigel Bradham- Excellent starting player in right scheme.
• Duke Williams (Safety) - good enough to play special teams but not good enough to be star. 
• Ross Cockrell - Waived by Bills in ploy by Rex and became very productive elsewhere
  • Cockrell was NOT cut because of the scheme change to press man coverage

  • Rex Ryan bungles 'brilliant idea' to let Ross Cockrell go  This was discussed at time on board.

• Cardale Jones - NRFPT QB who may have done better if drafted elsewhere but did not workout elsewhere either.  Needed solid QB coach to succeed.

[YoloinOhio]

Looking for a link to Beane’s press  conference last night. It was late and he talked for a long time. 

[GunnerBill]

15 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Yes.  That means in the top 22 picks, 20 of Beane's picks came off the board.  That's almost universal agreement, although we don't know how many guys other teams still had on their boards.

 

I don't think Beane ever gave a number.

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Looking for a link to Beane’s press  conference last night. It was late and he talked for a long time. 

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/brandon-beane-followed-the-board

[Alphadawg7]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

When did he say he had 21 firsts? I must have missed that. 

He said it leading up to the draft as well

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He said it leading up to the draft as well

 

When? He said he didn't have 32 firsts. Where did he say he had 21? And why would he offer up that information? 

[BADOLBILZ]

16 hours ago, gjv001 said:

I like that we drafted Kaiir Elam. He has the potential to be a perineal all pro DB. 

 

That is the best line of the draft so far.