MafiaMio Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: He just isn’t a good talent evaluator. Pro or college. Brady made Belichick, not the other way around. Been trying to say this for years. People here just can't handle the fact that Brady owned us and he's not playing for our team so they give Belichick all the credit, because we like to believe our guy can do the same all those years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Dying Let this be a lesson to the "guard in the 1st round" people. Only in VERY special circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMio Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Doc Brown said: That Super Bowl win was all Brady according to the geniuses who think Brady made Belichick. Umm he owed Brady that win after losing the Eagles super bowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: He just isn’t a good talent evaluator. Pro or college. Brady made Belichick, not the other way around. The disrespect... Pretty sure Belichick beat the Bills just last season attempting all of 3 passes in the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said: The Patriots have had a higher success rate drafting offensive lineman than any other position (they can't draft a good wr to save their lives). Their staff will probably turn him into a pro-bowler by his third season. This may be true. But they could have taken a different player with their first pick and still gotten Strange later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I’ve been saying forever having Brady keep winning while we keep destroying the Cheats four of five times soon to be 6 of 7 if there is not 50 mph winds. It’s why I’m hopeful the OP game is in September. Who takes a Guard in the 1st? They needed a WR. Makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Every team makes questionable draft picks but if this guy ends up being a probowler nobody will say it was a reach in hindsight. At this point though I'm not really sure the Pats are still the 2nd best team in the division and there is going to be tremendous pressure for Mac Jones to take a massive leap this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 38 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The disrespect... Pretty sure Belichick beat the Bills just last season attempting all of 3 passes in the game. What happened the next two times when there wasn't 60 mph wind gusts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: What happened the next two times when there wasn't 60 mph wind gusts? I saw 2 murders happen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 minutes ago, mikemac2001 said: I saw 2 murders happen If there ever was a gif that represented what happened in the divisional round....it would be this. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 hours ago, wppete said: Bill B. Has to go. The game has past him by. Know when to hang them up. I'll wait to reach that conclusion until the Pats miss the playoffs 2 years in a row 3 superbowls, 2 SB wins in the last 6 years plus 2 playoffs including 10-7 with a rookie QB doesn't sound like "game has passed him by" at all That said....my impression is that Bill Belicheck has always been the guy who wants to keep everything he can, close to his vest and not delegate. That philosophy works better at age 60 than at age 65 and better at age 65 than age 70. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I guess folks are saying it's a "Strange" pick for the Pats OTOH....Belichick "solved" McVay to win the Superbowl in 2018, so maybe he shouldn't laugh too loudly based on this year's win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Dying The best part of this is the reigning SB winning NFL coach literally laughing at old Mumbledore in NE pullng a moob muscle trying so hard to show he's the smartest guy in the room again and failing. McVay's not kissing his rings or even showing him any respect. F you Bellicheat. Edited April 29, 2022 by stevewin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 26 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Every team makes questionable draft picks but if this guy ends up being a probowler nobody will say it was a reach in hindsight. At this point though I'm not really sure the Pats are still the 2nd best team in the division and there is going to be tremendous pressure for Mac Jones to take a massive leap this year. Yet the same doesn't apply to Elam, in so far as "wasting" that 4th rounder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: What happened the next two times when there wasn't 60 mph wind gusts? So that's what, 2 of the last 35? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 8 minutes ago, stevewin said: The best part of this is the reigning SB winning NFL coach literally laughing at old Mumbledore in NE pullng a moob muscle trying so hard to show he's the smartest guy in the room again and failing. McVay's not kissing his rings or even showing him any respect. F you Bellicheat. Also, both McVay and Snead are WASTED drunk at this point. Those Rams guys trade away their picks and use the draft as an excuse to party. Cant argue with the results so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Even the Pats own website propaganda peddlers couldn’t help but be mildly critical of the pick! https://www.patriots.com/news/analysis-pats-miss-opportunity-with-trade-down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, Chicken Boo said: So that's what, 2 of the last 35? Oh wow...we're going to go back almost 20 years to try to make a point. You're right...Pats are pretty much the same team in that time span. Not a major loss on the offensive side of the ball for them recently. I guess we can't make fun of the Dolphins that we've owned recently because they dominated us in the 1970's....damn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 And Logan Mankins became an all-pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Oh wow...we're going to go back almost 20 years to try to make a point. You're right...Pats are pretty much the same team in that time span. Not a major loss on the offensive side of the ball for them recently. I guess we can't make fun of the Dolphins that we've owned recently because they dominated us in the 1970's....damn. My point is, how are people really trying to discredit Belichick? It's ridiculous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Geeez, one pick into the draft and the Boston fans are rioting, reminds be of Buffalo 15 years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Bill belichick's defensive game plan shut down the bills kgun in the Bills Giants SB ... It's literally in the HoF he's been a defensive guru for 30 plus years and has won super bowls with great defensive performances His ability to adapt his scheme across multiple eras ... Running multiple fronts and confusing top quarterbacks for 30 years is a tremendous legacy And he just took the Patriots to the playoffs with a terrible rag arm quarterback... He just can't stop Josh Allen : ) And yes he isn't the greatest GM.. but his defensive coaching abilities are unquestioned ***** Belicheat! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 9 hours ago, Rc2catch said: I wouldn’t laugh too much because of his projected draft slot. New England tends to churn out some really great offensive linemen. They may not always perform outside New England when they get their second contracts, but they still coach these guys up pretty good while they’re there. But it is fun to see their fan base melting down There are two ways to evaluate a draft. The first is looking at value, judging where a player was picked...versus where (mock drafts and other GMs) expected him to go. The second is how the player actually performs on the field, and whether he becomes a successful NFL pro. At this point, we can't judge anything but value. And by that standard, the Patriots easily had the biggest reach of the night. Cole Strange was almost universally regarded as a 3rd Round Pick. The earliest I saw him ranked was around the middle of the 2nd Round. Even if he turns out to be a good player, many will question whether he would have been available much later in the draft. Belichick's style as a GM hasn't changed over the years. His draft board is nothing like everyone else. He trades up. He trades down. He has specific scheme fits, and has no problem reaching against the perceived value around the rest of the league. Most of his defensive players and offensive line picks play well for the Patriots, but struggle outside of his system. He struggles to find difference-making talent at skill positions (particularly WR), which wasn't quite as noticeable when Tom Brady was the quarterback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 10 hours ago, Doc said: People are Strange... And when you're a stranger, Day 3 guards are first rounders, When you're Bill B 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: My point is, how are people really trying to discredit Belichick? It's ridiculous. I mean, do they not have legit points? He is well below .500 without Brady as his QB. Look at his draft history and free agent additions....it's been terrible. He is a great defensive coach that had Brady cover up his other warts. He's not a terrible head coach but is a terrible GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 Synopsis of Patriots organization from inception to present day: 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I mean, do they not have legit points? He is well below .500 without Brady as his QB. Look at his draft history and free agent additions....it's been terrible. He is a great defensive coach that had Brady cover up his other warts. He's not a terrible head coach but is a terrible GM. The below .500 is counting his days in Cleveland, of all places, where he had that team on the cusp of contending before they were sold. He just had his young and inexperienced team in the playoffs with rookie QB and lacking roster. Hell, they were in the fight for the division till the very end. He simply acquires guys that he feels fit his system. None of them really go on to be great outside of NE. Edited April 29, 2022 by Chicken Boo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: That may also have been due to having that legendary O line coach who retired about 2 years ago, can't recall the name. Dante Scarnecchia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 F the Pats fans........F the Pats FO......and F the dark sith hoodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The below .500 is counting his days in Cleveland, of all places, where he had that team on the cusp of contending before they were sold. He just had his young and inexperienced team in the playoffs with rookie QB and lacking roster. Hell, they were in the fight for the division till the very end. He simply acquires guys that he feels fit his system. None of them really go on to be great outside of NE. On the cusp of contending with Vinny Testaverde and Mike Tomzack as his QB’s? These were his chosen QB’s after he cut Kosar. They weren’t on the cusp of contending. The Ravens team that won the Super Bowl was 6 seasons later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: On the cusp of contending with Vinny Testaverde and Mike Tomzack as his QB’s? These were his chosen QB’s after he cut Kosar. They weren’t on the cusp of contending. The Ravens team that won the Super Bowl was 6 seasons later. They were 11-5 in 1994. My money is on Bill, Saban and Ozzie Newsome figuring it out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: They were 11-5 in 1994. My money is on Bill, Saban and Ozzie Newsome figuring it out. And then 5-11 the following season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 so Belichick being head coach will take the praise OR the fall for this pick. It does seem strange on the face of it....wacka wacka wacka *eyebrows wiggle up and down*** haha m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: They were 11-5 in 1994. My money is on Bill, Saban and Ozzie Newsome figuring it out. Dick Jauron was 13-3 with the Bears in 2005 I believe. They were also on the “cusp” then. 17 minutes ago, Doc said: And then 5-11 the following season. Sometimes to take one step forward, you need to take 6 steps back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScorpionZero Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Bill belichick's defensive game plan shut down the bills kgun in the Bills Giants SB ... It's literally in the HoF he's been a defensive guru for 30 plus years and has won super bowls with great defensive performances His ability to adapt his scheme across multiple eras ... Running multiple fronts and confusing top quarterbacks for 30 years is a tremendous legacy And he just took the Patriots to the playoffs with a terrible rag arm quarterback... He just can't stop Josh Allen : ) And yes he isn't the greatest GM.. but his defensive coaching abilities are unquestioned He stopped them because he had players faking injuries, it's now a rule because of what they did. I guess cheaters do prosper. Edited April 29, 2022 by ScorpionZero Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 3 hours ago, BarleyNY said: I would not argue against Belichick’s defensive genius. That’s inarguably who he is. That’s not his issue. Overall team success takes the right blend of greatness. Belichick is known for running his team in a tough, grueling and absolutely no fun allowed way. Does he handle punt return team? Oh wait.... nevermind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 12 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Dying This is GOLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 I saw one poster compared Belichick to Al Davis, which I thought was painfully accurate. A legend who deteriorated to the point that he was a joke to most young fans who didn't remember him in his prime. Belichick is heading that way. It's time to gracefully exit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 12 hours ago, Doc said: He's the greatest defensive mind in NFL history. Totally agree. And he still likely doesn't win a Super Bowl without Brady. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted April 29, 2022 Share Posted April 29, 2022 A lot of Belichick defenders on here. Belichick the coach makes Belichick the GM look better than he is. And he's not the same without Brady (as GM). Brady: - Took less pay so that the team could afford better players - Was the GOAT, so attracted the best FA's - Was the GOAT, so FA's would take less money to play w/ him - Made everyone around him better. Brady was a GM's dream. It is so much easier to build a competitive roster with a player like that. That's all over now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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