NFL Draft Rumors

[whorlnut]

It’s funny to me that people are so dead set against a running back in 1. Beane has said many times since the season ended that his two goals are getting to the qb (checkmark in FA) and helping josh Allen. A rb does that. CB2has never been a premium position under McD dating back to Carolina. 

[BuffaloRebound]

16 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I find it fascinating you can bet on the draft.  It’s like betting on what somebody’s gonna eat for dinner.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[SCBills]

If we take Breece Hall, does anyone think Singletary or Moss get moved?   I can’t imagine either has much value, Moss maybe a 6th or 7th, Singletary maybeee a 5th?

[Logic]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Trent Baalke going traits over production?

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Einstein's Dog]

6 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

It’s funny to me that people are so dead set against a running back in 1. Beane has said many times since the season ended that his two goals are getting to the qb (checkmark in FA) and helping josh Allen. A rb does that. CB2has never been a premium position under McD dating back to Carolina. 

Reasons I hate the idea:

1.  Short sighted - the draft had been for the future, this screams short term.

2.  RB is not a premium position.  If Hall becomes as good as Fournette, you have a $7M guy, if the WR is good like C Kirk you have a $15-20M player.

3.  Hall had a terrible interview on the show I saw, he isn't even the best RB in this class.  He was pompous and arrogant.  Also he doesn't play 4.4 fast.

4.  Taking an RB in the first puts pressure on Dorsey/McD to run more - I don't want that pressure/influence on the offense.

5.  Not only would I not want to give a second contract to an RB, the recent round 1 RBs would hold out before that anyway (Zeke, LeVeon).

6.  Hall at around $3M replaces the $2M Singletary.  Meanwhile we neglect that next year we have $15M Edmunds and $13M Poyer.

7.  The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

 

 

 

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Reasons I hate the idea:

1.  Short sighted - the draft had been for the future, this screams short term.

2.  RB is not a premium position.  If Hall becomes as good as Fournette, you have a $7M guy, if the WR is good like C Kirk you have a $15-20M player.

3.  Hall had a terrible interview on the show I saw, he isn't even the best RB in this class.  He was pompous and arrogant.  Also he doesn't play 4.4 fast.

4.  Taking an RB in the first puts pressure on Dorsey/McD to run more - I don't want that pressure/influence on the offense.

5.  Not only would I not want to give a second contract to an RB, the recent round 1 RBs would hold out before that anyway (Zeke, LeVeon).

6.  Hall at around $3M replaces the $2M Singletary.  Meanwhile we neglect that next year we have $15M Edmunds and $13M Poyer.

7.  The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

 

 

 

Taking a pass catching RB does not put pressure on any offense, let alone the Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills to run more. 
 

I can go either way on Breece Hall at 25, but some of these takes are over the top.  
 

You make some good points, but we do need an answer to the 2 deep shell.  If we stay at 25, he may be the best answer.. and that answer likely would come more in the short passing game than run game. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Taking a pass catching RB does not put pressure on any offense, let alone the Josh Allen led Buffalo Bills to run more. 
 

I can go either way on Breece Hall at 25, but some of these takes are over the top.  
 

You make some good points, but we do need an answer to the 2 deep shell.  If we stay at 25, he may be the best answer.. and that answer likely would come more in the short passing game than run game. 

Yeah I’m really sick of the running backs only carry the ball narrative. It’s lazy. Completely lazy. Hall would be heavily used in the passing game. I’m just over arguing with people about it. 

[MrEpsYtown]

24 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If we take Breece Hall, does anyone think Singletary or Moss get moved?   I can’t imagine either has much value, Moss maybe a 6th or 7th, Singletary maybeee a 5th?

Nah nobody is gonna trade for those dudes. Using picks on those guys doesn’t make sense when there are a huge crop of guys in the draft. Only Doug Whaley trades picks for guys like Bryce Brown. Moss was inactive all season and Devin has been ok and in the last year of his deal. 

[HappyDays]

 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Well if either are there at 8 they are BPA over any WR imo and Atlanta needs both so, pass rusher it is 

[YoloinOhio]

Daniel Jeremiah sticking with Breece Hall in Final mock tonight on nfln 

[LEBills]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Daniel Jeremiah sticking with Breece Hall in Final mock tonight on nfln 

Asante Samuel Jr in his 2021 final mock

Jonah Williams in 2019 final mock 

Looks like he picked Josh in 2018 I think

 

Tmrw at like 11 pm can’t come soon enough lol

 

 

[YoloinOhio]

5 minutes ago, LEBills said:

Asante Samuel Jr in his 2021 final mock

Jonah Williams in 2019 final mock 

Looks like he picked Josh in 2018 I think

 

Tmrw at like 11 pm can’t come soon enough lol

 

 

I didn’t get the impression that he knew what they would do, but rather it was what he thought they should do 

Edited April 28, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[Stank_Nasty]

54 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Reasons I hate the idea:

 

7.  The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

 

 

 

Oh god. Stop it…. Good lord dude. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by Stank_Nasty

[Norcalbillsfan]

39 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Reasons I hate the idea:

1.  Short sighted - the draft had been for the future, this screams short term.

2.  RB is not a premium position.  If Hall becomes as good as Fournette, you have a $7M guy, if the WR is good like C Kirk you have a $15-20M player.

3.  Hall had a terrible interview on the show I saw, he isn't even the best RB in this class.  He was pompous and arrogant.  Also he doesn't play 4.4 fast.

4.  Taking an RB in the first puts pressure on Dorsey/McD to run more - I don't want that pressure/influence on the offense.

5.  Not only would I not want to give a second contract to an RB, the recent round 1 RBs would hold out before that anyway (Zeke, LeVeon).

6.  Hall at around $3M replaces the $2M Singletary.  Meanwhile we neglect that next year we have $15M Edmunds and $13M Poyer.

7.  The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

 

 

 

7. The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

 

I agree with all your points, im not for a RB in the 1st. Though I won't let it ruin my day if it happens. But your #7 point is interesting because if the bills draft hall and he makes a small contribution that doesnt live up to a first rounder and they still win a superbowl, no matter what,  beane is seen as a genius and the hall pick is an absolute success because they won it all. But if they draft hall and he's good but lose in the playoffs again...people might start grabbing pitch forks and asking why the 25th wasnt spent on a premium position. I guess my point is it could be argued that it's a risky proposition for beanes reputation to go RB in the 1st.

[Warcodered]

 

[Doc Brown]

45 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Daniel Jeremiah sticking with Breece Hall in Final mock tonight on nfln 

Good.  I’m against RB in the first anyways.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

 

7.  The genius title for Beane would have to be revisited- this would be an error in the overall plan of a continued successful team.

How dare you.  

 

He’s not a genius as Cody Ford and AJ Epenesa walking around OBD are constant reminders of that.  Better than most though.  Yes.

 

If we do take a RB in the first he better be a freaking all pro within his first few seasons or Beane will be getting a strongly worded letter from yours truly.

[Nextmanup]

14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Good.  I’m against RB in the first anyways.

I like to think Beane is too smart to take a RB in the first round, but look at what this regime has done with picks like DT in the first...

 

So you never know.

Fingers crossed.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:

I like to think Beane is too smart to take a RB in the first round, but look at what this regime has done with picks like DT in the first...

 

So you never know.

Fingers crossed.

 

 

He’s said in the past he’s not opposed to it and he saw the impact CMC had with the Panthers prior to coming here even though it was Gettleman who drafted him.

 

Luckily, I doubt they have a first round grade on a RB this draft as there isn’t a Barkley, CMC, or even an Etienne out there skill wise.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Daniel Jeremiah sticking with Breece Hall in Final mock tonight on nfln 

In his mock, I would have taken Booth. But really aside from Booth, all the corners are gone including Elam and all the receivers are gone including Burks and Dotson and there are no quarterback reaches. If that’s the case I think I would ok with the Hall idea. I really don’t love it, but I much prefer it to a guard or reaching on the next tier of corners. 

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

In his mock, I would have taken Booth. But really aside from Booth, all the corners are gone including Elam and all the receivers are gone including Burks and Dotson and there are no quarterback reaches. If that’s the case I think I would ok with the Hall idea. I really don’t love it, but I much prefer it to a guard or reaching on the next tier of corners. 

You’ve gotta trade down then. If someone else takes Breece Hall ahead of you, who cares.

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Oh god. Stop it…. Good lord dude. 

Yeah…not much rational thought put into that bullet point…

[MrEpsYtown]

3 minutes ago, Rico said:

You’ve gotta trade down then. If someone else takes Breece Hall ahead of you, who cares.

Agreed. That’s what should happen in that case! Or just take a guy like Ojabo who is a top 15 pick if he isn’t hurt and just redshirt him. RB round 1 feels like a waste. 

Edited April 28, 2022 by MrEpsYtown

[whorlnut]

53 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

I like to think Beane is too smart to take a RB in the first round, but look at what this regime has done with picks like DT in the first...

 

So you never know.

Fingers crossed.

 

 

Yeah…that Ed Oliver sure stinks, huh?  

[Shake_My_Head]

1 hour ago, Norcalbillsfan said:

I guess my point is it could be argued that it's a risky proposition for beanes reputation

This just in:  now that expectations have been raised, there's a VERY high likelihood (certainty) that a sizeable segment of TSW posters will question any move Beane makes that doesn't deliver a Lombardi in the next 2-3 years.   

 

Draft choices, free agent signings and exits, contract structures, etc.    He's on the clock, no matter what he does.   

 

    

[Royale with Cheese]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

McD and Beane are in lock step…. So if Beane drafts Hall you can bet McD had a ton of influence on the pick and I don’t doubt McDermott WANTS to run it more which is head scratching considering the QB they have…. Drafting Hall will only strengthen that opinion.

A hypothetical that you made up is head scratching huh?

 

Or you could look at as we have another threat on offense?  

[McBean]

43 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Yeah…that Ed Oliver sure stinks, huh?  

He hasn’t played like the #8 overall pick.

 

See Jeff Simmons.

[Virgil]

Is it me or is it strangely quiet the night before this draft?  I mean, I'm not really hearing anything besides Travon going first overall

 

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, Rico said:

You’ve gotta trade down then. If someone else takes Breece Hall ahead of you, who cares.

A trade down might not be available.  Who is the other team needing to come up for?  

[BADOLBILZ]

47 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Agreed. That’s what should happen in that case! Or just take a guy like Ojabo who is a top 15 pick if he isn’t hurt and just redshirt him. RB round 1 feels like a waste. 

 

 

Yep.

 

There are RB's who could go late in the draft and be as good or better than Hall.

 

Taking Hall early actually puts you in position to miss good value at RB later.........and it's a deep draft of RB's.

 

Get the traits at premium positions while they are there.

 

Breece Hall reminds me so much of Antowain Smith.........a near perfect score RAS superstar..........who didn't really pan out by the expectations of the day.

 

The Bills badly needed a DE for their 3-4 and Trevor Pryce was commonly mocked to the Bills as the solution.

 

Bills chose to go Antowain Smith first instead of Pryce........thinking they could get better value at both positions if they went RB in 1 and DE in round 2.......where they took Marcellus Wiley.

 

They got decent players........but Pryce ended up with almost 100 career sacks. 

 

Lesser RAS RB's that went in round 2 were Tiki Barber and Corey Dillon.........who combined for around 25,000 rushing yards.

 

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

In his mock, I would have taken Booth. But really aside from Booth, all the corners are gone including Elam and all the receivers are gone including Burks and Dotson and there are no quarterback reaches. If that’s the case I think I would ok with the Hall idea. I really don’t love it, but I much prefer it to a guard or reaching on the next tier of corners. 

Ya his mock was pretty brutal for how it falls to the bills. If beane isn't in love with booth or Hall, I see the bills trying to trade back in that situation, not much left. If the trade back isn't rich enough, me personally if the draft falls that way, I wouldn't mind betting on the freak gifts of Christian Watson at #25 and letting him learn from Diggs. Kind of a reach for some people but the gifts are undeniable.

[Turk71]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

Is it me or is it strangely quiet the night before this draft?  I mean, I'm not really hearing anything besides Travon going first overall

 

My house is eerily quiet right now.

[Logic]

Personally, I think the "never, ever take a running back in the first round" thing has become ridiculously overblown. I get it: positional value, short shelf life, blah blah blah. But people saying they'd rather reach for a corner just because it's a need, or who would rather take WR6 or CB5 instead of RB1, even if RB1 is rated higher on the draft board, just because spreadsheet Twitter says so...it's gotten out of hand.

 

RB is not my preferred choice at 25, but if Beanie feels like adding a dynamic running back will help the team more than reaching to fill a need at corner or WR, I'm not gonna throw my TV out the window.

 

I watched our running game for the majority of last year. I watched Allen be our red zone running back for four years straight. Having a legit running back for six years (fifth year option plus franchise tag) to balance our offense and reduce the amount of hits our QB takes won't be the worst thing, even if it makes the analytics twerps scream and cry.

 

[Rhode Island Red]

“I watched our running game for the majority of last year. ”

 

We all watched the running game for the entire year, so…

 

Methinks there’s a salty little tidbit of a word (or two?) missing from somewhere in this sentence?? You thought it, but you didn’t type it??

 

Underwhelm? Disappoint?  Stink?  Suck?  Fail?…

Edited April 28, 2022 by Rhode Island Red

[HappyDays]

15 minutes ago, Logic said:

Personally, I think the "never, ever take a running back in the first round" thing has become ridiculously overblown. I get it: positional value, short shelf life, blah blah blah. But people saying they'd rather reach for a corner just because it's a need, or who would rather take WR6 or CB5 instead of RB1, even if RB1 is rated higher on the draft board, just because spreadsheet Twitter says so...it's gotten out of hand.

 

RB is not my preferred choice at 25, but if Beanie feels like adding a dynamic running back will help the team more than reaching to fill a need at corner or WR, I'm not gonna throw my TV out the window.

 

I watched our running game for the majority of last year. I watched Allen be our red zone running back for four years straight. Having a legit running back for six years (fifth year option plus franchise tag) to balance our offense and reduce the amount of hits our QB takes won't be the worst thing, even if it makes the analytics twerps scream and cry.

 

 

Yeah I don't think the Breece Hall rumor will end up being true, but like any other pick the Bills could make I will wait to see how the player looks on the field before making a final judgment. The one caveat with RB is the player HAS to be a difference maker from day one. Gregory Rousseau you accept some development time. Breece Hall needs to contribute immediately. If we get 5 years of dynamic playmaking ability from our RB in the middle of our Super Bowl window that is not a waste of a pick, even if he doesn't get a 2nd contract. Maybe not the ideal scenario but there are much worse ways to spend a 1st rounder. But the scrutiny is a lot higher if Breece Hall is the pick. You can't swing and miss at RB.

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

Is it me or is it strangely quiet the night before this draft?  I mean, I'm not really hearing anything besides Travon going first overall

 

We have to be quiet, or Santa Goodell won't deliver our presents tomorrow.